Ivana Hughes

And this license to be actually really bad.

What are you going to do about it?

I got nuclear weapons.

Right.

I mean, I think from my perspective, kind of looking through...

The history, it's been actually really interesting to study.

You mentioned the doomsday clock.

So let me just say something for a minute or two about that for people who don't know.

So the doomsday clock is something that the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, which was founded by the likes of Einstein and Oppenheimer, so on, who were very worried about the threat of nuclear weapons.

in the mid-1940s, they founded this organization.

In 1947, they were publishing their first issue of the bulletin, and they asked an artist, Mardel Langsdorff or something, to draw a cover.

And she just, she drew a cover with a clock

with the time showing seven minutes to midnight, because she thought we were sort of, you know, that was a kind of good representation of how dangerous things were with midnight representing this sort of nuclear Armageddon end of the world type of scenario.

And over time, the

clock sort of became something that they would annually sort of adjust and became a kind of indicator of where we are in terms of the dangers.

Also over time, they added other existential threats to their considerations of the time of the clock.

currently the clock is 89 seconds to midnight.

And we can totally talk about, oh, is this, you know, like, how do you make sense of these numbers and so on?

I don't really see them as, I don't see them literally as, oh, it's 89 seconds to midnight and that somehow means something.

I see them as relative numbers.