J. B. Pritzker

Unfortunately, I think this is particular to the tariffs.

I think the philosophy that guides Kavanaugh, that guides the other, you know, very hard right members of the Supreme Court, that's going to live on.

These folks are not going to abandon that.

And I don't believe that they think that they're reining in Donald Trump when they're doing this.

They're just

Frankly, they're following the law and the Constitution, even though they fall on the wrong side of the decisions, in my view.

But they're trying hard.

And again, there were people on both sides that were that voted to remove these tariffs and take away this power from the president.

So I would argue, I guess, that.

the reasoned legal opinions that were shared on, you know, the liberal side, the conservative side, probably came to the right conclusion if you've got both sides agreeing.

Well, the first thing I'd say is that showing up at the White House and trying to negotiate or discuss with the president something that you need for your state, it's completely ineffective.

You can't trust anything that he says or does.

You can make an agreement with him, and he'll break it at a moment's notice.

So that's one reason why it's ineffective to show up.

Now, the National Governors Association is a really important organization.

It was founded by Teddy Roosevelt, and it's been a gathering point for Republicans and Democrats who are governors of our 50 states.

And Donald Trump, for the very first time, the only president that I'm aware of that's ever uninvited a couple of people—

governors that he disagreed with.

It happens that he uninvited the only gay man who's a governor, the only black governor.

And, you know, he's he articulated some reasons for it.