Jacinda Ardern

And that if you can at least talk to them and you can have that dialogue, then if there is that, you know, that bizarre view that someone might have, that conspiracy theory that you think you might be able to talk that through, but you can't.

I just don't understand how anyone could assume that I'm so cavalier about having a whole city and over a million people in lockdown of course I think about it all the time I have to take sleeping pills so I don't think about it all the time

I just don't understand how anyone could assume that I'm so cavalier about having a whole city and over a million people in lockdown of course I think about it all the time I have to take sleeping pills so I don't think about it all the time

I just don't understand how anyone could assume that I'm so cavalier about having a whole city and over a million people in lockdown of course I think about it all the time I have to take sleeping pills so I don't think about it all the time

And so the only thing that you can, you know, it took me a while to get to this, but the only thing that you can hold on to in those moments is that you know. what your motivation is, you know that you're just trying to make the right decisions.

And so the only thing that you can, you know, it took me a while to get to this, but the only thing that you can hold on to in those moments is that you know. what your motivation is, you know that you're just trying to make the right decisions.

And so the only thing that you can, you know, it took me a while to get to this, but the only thing that you can hold on to in those moments is that you know. what your motivation is, you know that you're just trying to make the right decisions.

And even, I think, I remember my hardest moments looking out when we did have an occupation on Parliament's grounds and thinking, well, they think they're protecting people's lives too. And so do I. We actually want for the same things. We have just come at it from completely different corners. And I do spend a lot of time reflecting on it.

And even, I think, I remember my hardest moments looking out when we did have an occupation on Parliament's grounds and thinking, well, they think they're protecting people's lives too. And so do I. We actually want for the same things. We have just come at it from completely different corners. And I do spend a lot of time reflecting on it.

And even, I think, I remember my hardest moments looking out when we did have an occupation on Parliament's grounds and thinking, well, they think they're protecting people's lives too. And so do I. We actually want for the same things. We have just come at it from completely different corners. And I do spend a lot of time reflecting on it.

But I still give myself as much grace as I can that we were motivated by the right things. And that was to save people's lives. For all the thinking I give to what I would have done differently, I would still rather be sitting in front of the public and explaining why perhaps we did too much differently. rather than why we did too little.

But I still give myself as much grace as I can that we were motivated by the right things. And that was to save people's lives. For all the thinking I give to what I would have done differently, I would still rather be sitting in front of the public and explaining why perhaps we did too much differently. rather than why we did too little.

But I still give myself as much grace as I can that we were motivated by the right things. And that was to save people's lives. For all the thinking I give to what I would have done differently, I would still rather be sitting in front of the public and explaining why perhaps we did too much differently. rather than why we did too little.

Because the doing too little was the difference between people living and people dying.

Because the doing too little was the difference between people living and people dying.

Because the doing too little was the difference between people living and people dying.

So we would use lockdowns when there were cases that we couldn't trace. So that's when we would use it. And ultimately, it meant that we had fewer days in lockdown than most countries. And when we were out, we had relative normality. Yes. And I think importantly, we saved an estimated 20,000 lives. But it came at a cost, you know, for everyone globally.

So we would use lockdowns when there were cases that we couldn't trace. So that's when we would use it. And ultimately, it meant that we had fewer days in lockdown than most countries. And when we were out, we had relative normality. Yes. And I think importantly, we saved an estimated 20,000 lives. But it came at a cost, you know, for everyone globally.

So we would use lockdowns when there were cases that we couldn't trace. So that's when we would use it. And ultimately, it meant that we had fewer days in lockdown than most countries. And when we were out, we had relative normality. Yes. And I think importantly, we saved an estimated 20,000 lives. But it came at a cost, you know, for everyone globally.

I think there is globally now this unease that the way that we'd experienced the world was upended. Suddenly you could have something that you just didn't see coming and it can fundamentally change your life in an instant. And we already have such a sense of uncertainty in the world, technological developments, the impact of, you know, the changing economies that we have, multiple wars raging.