Jacinda Ardern

And so for the most part, my experience, at least in New Zealand, was that for the most part, even when you're on different sides of the house, for the most part, people are usually motivated to improve the place they live in, to improve... the lives of the people around them. They often just have very different ideas of what that looks like. How they're going to go about doing it.

And so for the most part, my experience, at least in New Zealand, was that for the most part, even when you're on different sides of the house, for the most part, people are usually motivated to improve the place they live in, to improve... the lives of the people around them. They often just have very different ideas of what that looks like. How they're going to go about doing it.

And so for the most part, my experience, at least in New Zealand, was that for the most part, even when you're on different sides of the house, for the most part, people are usually motivated to improve the place they live in, to improve... the lives of the people around them. They often just have very different ideas of what that looks like. How they're going to go about doing it.

And the thing that I think increasingly turns people off politics is the way that it's seen in the public domain is that people don't have their eyes on improving people's lives. They're in the politics. That's right. But my experience is that often people sacrifice a lot to be there and most of the time, most of the time, it's for the right reasons.

And the thing that I think increasingly turns people off politics is the way that it's seen in the public domain is that people don't have their eyes on improving people's lives. They're in the politics. That's right. But my experience is that often people sacrifice a lot to be there and most of the time, most of the time, it's for the right reasons.

And the thing that I think increasingly turns people off politics is the way that it's seen in the public domain is that people don't have their eyes on improving people's lives. They're in the politics. That's right. But my experience is that often people sacrifice a lot to be there and most of the time, most of the time, it's for the right reasons.

Well, it was an extraordinary moment in a string of extraordinary moments. So we'd been in opposition for nine years, so we had not been in government for a long time. And so it's pretty soul-destroying to be in that situation. Your party.

Well, it was an extraordinary moment in a string of extraordinary moments. So we'd been in opposition for nine years, so we had not been in government for a long time. And so it's pretty soul-destroying to be in that situation. Your party.

Well, it was an extraordinary moment in a string of extraordinary moments. So we'd been in opposition for nine years, so we had not been in government for a long time. And so it's pretty soul-destroying to be in that situation. Your party.

And so I was the deputy leader. Now, in New Zealand, being deputy leader does not mean you are the next in line. It means actually probably you're not too threatening. Yeah. Yes. You're there as a support person to the leader. Which is where you'd always wanted to be anyway. You're not being behind the scenes. I thought I was much better suited to a role like that.

And so I was the deputy leader. Now, in New Zealand, being deputy leader does not mean you are the next in line. It means actually probably you're not too threatening. Yeah. Yes. You're there as a support person to the leader. Which is where you'd always wanted to be anyway. You're not being behind the scenes. I thought I was much better suited to a role like that.

And so I was the deputy leader. Now, in New Zealand, being deputy leader does not mean you are the next in line. It means actually probably you're not too threatening. Yeah. Yes. You're there as a support person to the leader. Which is where you'd always wanted to be anyway. You're not being behind the scenes. I thought I was much better suited to a role like that.

But even then I found that challenging. We're seven weeks out from the election. And one day my boss and I, we receive poll numbers that say we're heading south. Things are not looking good. And, you know, my leader muses aloud to me, maybe I should step down. And, you know, the panic alarm rings for me in my head. The idea that he's contemplating departure seven weeks out from an election.

But even then I found that challenging. We're seven weeks out from the election. And one day my boss and I, we receive poll numbers that say we're heading south. Things are not looking good. And, you know, my leader muses aloud to me, maybe I should step down. And, you know, the panic alarm rings for me in my head. The idea that he's contemplating departure seven weeks out from an election.

But even then I found that challenging. We're seven weeks out from the election. And one day my boss and I, we receive poll numbers that say we're heading south. Things are not looking good. And, you know, my leader muses aloud to me, maybe I should step down. And, you know, the panic alarm rings for me in my head. The idea that he's contemplating departure seven weeks out from an election.

Well, I actually respect that. Well, I respect that he had that thought process. I did not appreciate it. I respect that he had the self-awareness. Absolutely. I did not appreciate that he looked at me as the possible replacement. A week after that conversation, he came to work one day, he quit and he nominated me. And so I then found myself in the position of leading the party into an election.

Well, I actually respect that. Well, I respect that he had that thought process. I did not appreciate it. I respect that he had the self-awareness. Absolutely. I did not appreciate that he looked at me as the possible replacement. A week after that conversation, he came to work one day, he quit and he nominated me. And so I then found myself in the position of leading the party into an election.

Well, I actually respect that. Well, I respect that he had that thought process. I did not appreciate it. I respect that he had the self-awareness. Absolutely. I did not appreciate that he looked at me as the possible replacement. A week after that conversation, he came to work one day, he quit and he nominated me. And so I then found myself in the position of leading the party into an election.

You knew you were going to be nominated though, right? I had a sense that he'd suggested that if anyone was going to take over, that he thought it should be me. I thought it absolutely should not.

You knew you were going to be nominated though, right? I had a sense that he'd suggested that if anyone was going to take over, that he thought it should be me. I thought it absolutely should not.