Jacinda Ardern

Well, it was an extraordinary moment in a string of extraordinary moments. So we'd been in opposition for nine years, so we had not been in government for a long time. And so it's pretty soul-destroying to be in that situation. Your party.

Well, it was an extraordinary moment in a string of extraordinary moments. So we'd been in opposition for nine years, so we had not been in government for a long time. And so it's pretty soul-destroying to be in that situation. Your party.

And so I was the deputy leader. Now, in New Zealand, being deputy leader does not mean you are the next in line. It means actually probably you're not too threatening. Yeah. Yes. You're there as a support person to the leader. Which is where you'd always wanted to be anyway. You're not being behind the scenes. I thought I was much better suited to a role like that.

And so I was the deputy leader. Now, in New Zealand, being deputy leader does not mean you are the next in line. It means actually probably you're not too threatening. Yeah. Yes. You're there as a support person to the leader. Which is where you'd always wanted to be anyway. You're not being behind the scenes. I thought I was much better suited to a role like that.

And so I was the deputy leader. Now, in New Zealand, being deputy leader does not mean you are the next in line. It means actually probably you're not too threatening. Yeah. Yes. You're there as a support person to the leader. Which is where you'd always wanted to be anyway. You're not being behind the scenes. I thought I was much better suited to a role like that.

But even then I found that challenging. We're seven weeks out from the election. And one day my boss and I, we receive poll numbers that say we're heading south. Things are not looking good. And, you know, my leader muses aloud to me, maybe I should step down. And, you know, the panic alarm rings for me in my head. The idea that he's contemplating departure seven weeks out from an election.

But even then I found that challenging. We're seven weeks out from the election. And one day my boss and I, we receive poll numbers that say we're heading south. Things are not looking good. And, you know, my leader muses aloud to me, maybe I should step down. And, you know, the panic alarm rings for me in my head. The idea that he's contemplating departure seven weeks out from an election.

But even then I found that challenging. We're seven weeks out from the election. And one day my boss and I, we receive poll numbers that say we're heading south. Things are not looking good. And, you know, my leader muses aloud to me, maybe I should step down. And, you know, the panic alarm rings for me in my head. The idea that he's contemplating departure seven weeks out from an election.

Well, I actually respect that. Well, I respect that he had that thought process. I did not appreciate it. I respect that he had the self-awareness. Absolutely. I did not appreciate that he looked at me as the possible replacement. A week after that conversation, he came to work one day, he quit and he nominated me. And so I then found myself in the position of leading the party into an election.

Well, I actually respect that. Well, I respect that he had that thought process. I did not appreciate it. I respect that he had the self-awareness. Absolutely. I did not appreciate that he looked at me as the possible replacement. A week after that conversation, he came to work one day, he quit and he nominated me. And so I then found myself in the position of leading the party into an election.

Well, I actually respect that. Well, I respect that he had that thought process. I did not appreciate it. I respect that he had the self-awareness. Absolutely. I did not appreciate that he looked at me as the possible replacement. A week after that conversation, he came to work one day, he quit and he nominated me. And so I then found myself in the position of leading the party into an election.

You knew you were going to be nominated though, right? I had a sense that he'd suggested that if anyone was going to take over, that he thought it should be me. I thought it absolutely should not.

You knew you were going to be nominated though, right? I had a sense that he'd suggested that if anyone was going to take over, that he thought it should be me. I thought it absolutely should not.

You knew you were going to be nominated though, right? I had a sense that he'd suggested that if anyone was going to take over, that he thought it should be me. I thought it absolutely should not.

And I meant it. So you didn't want it. I did not.

And I meant it. So you didn't want it. I did not.

And I meant it. So you didn't want it. I did not.

I did not. But there's always, you know, I think everyone can identify with that idea that sometimes you can have these dueling moments you know, these dueling sentiments, these dueling values. The idea on the one hand, that lack of confidence on the other, a sense of responsibility. And so the moment came that he said, well, I'm nominating you and I believe you need to step up.

I did not. But there's always, you know, I think everyone can identify with that idea that sometimes you can have these dueling moments you know, these dueling sentiments, these dueling values. The idea on the one hand, that lack of confidence on the other, a sense of responsibility. And so the moment came that he said, well, I'm nominating you and I believe you need to step up.

I did not. But there's always, you know, I think everyone can identify with that idea that sometimes you can have these dueling moments you know, these dueling sentiments, these dueling values. The idea on the one hand, that lack of confidence on the other, a sense of responsibility. And so the moment came that he said, well, I'm nominating you and I believe you need to step up.