Jack Lawrence

There's people everywhere.

Men with cameras, more law enforcement, guns everywhere surrounding the truck as he is driven off to be placed in front of more cameras at a press conference.

From there, he's driven to an airfield where, again, he is flanked by men with machine guns and balaclavas as they walk him to a small plane to be flown back to Panama.

Once back in Panama, Bill is taken in front of the prosecutor that will be working on his case and he would confess to all murders he's accused of.

but he's quick to make sure his friends in the cartel don't think he's about to turn informant.

I'm sure you can imagine prisons in Panama are not like prisons in the Western world of Australia, the United States or the UK.

In these prisons, money can pretty much buy you anything you want and make your stay just that little more comfortable.

And that's exactly what Bill says life started out like for him.

This nice lifestyle that Bill was leading would come to an abrupt end in 2018 when Bill says that he decided to try and bring attention to the plight of the poor prisoners inside the facility, ones without money who get treated horrendously.

Part of this attention would come in the form of an interview.

An interview that would, in one sense, cause serious issues for him, but also send him down a new path.

You know, this podcast, learn that.

So from the very beginning, Bill has always stated that he would never talk about the people that he killed, nor how it happened, because essentially he says that the stories, talking about them and reliving them, gives him nightmares.

So Bill says that he's a changed man.

He looks back on his past self with almost disgust at the person that he was.

He has regret, even says he has nightmares about the people he killed.

So why?

Why did he do it?

Was it purely just greed?

You told me that the first gentleman you killed was a self-defense situation.