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Jack Recider

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

And after a few steps, it then has the spyware binary file on the phone, which is able to watch what's going on with the camera, listen on the microphone, scrape passwords, read texts, and of course, report where the person is located. Now, the tricky thing about this malware was as soon as it would infect the phone, it would erase the tracks of the whole infection process.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

And after a few steps, it then has the spyware binary file on the phone, which is able to watch what's going on with the camera, listen on the microphone, scrape passwords, read texts, and of course, report where the person is located. Now, the tricky thing about this malware was as soon as it would infect the phone, it would erase the tracks of the whole infection process.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

So while it may have taken a few exploits to get it to work, those exploits were not visible to Citizen Lab since traces of how it got in were wiped. And this stinks because it means they can't go to Apple and show them this vulnerability that needs to be patched. It's like they caught the spy in the building but have no idea how he got in. So you don't know which door or window to go check on.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

So while it may have taken a few exploits to get it to work, those exploits were not visible to Citizen Lab since traces of how it got in were wiped. And this stinks because it means they can't go to Apple and show them this vulnerability that needs to be patched. It's like they caught the spy in the building but have no idea how he got in. So you don't know which door or window to go check on.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

And you have to think, hold on. If the Greek government paid all this money for this software, surely they didn't get it just to infect these three people. So who else is being targeted with this? People demanded that the Greek government say something now that three people had their phones infected.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

And you have to think, hold on. If the Greek government paid all this money for this software, surely they didn't get it just to infect these three people. So who else is being targeted with this? People demanded that the Greek government say something now that three people had their phones infected.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

And they said, oh, okay, yeah, well, we've heard of this predator spyware, but that's not something we have. Flat out denying it for a second time. But people didn't accept that as a good answer. In fact, they sort of narrowed down who would do such a thing. And they landed on, this must be the work of EYP, which is Greeks Intelligence Agency, pronounced ape. Because here's the thing.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

And they said, oh, okay, yeah, well, we've heard of this predator spyware, but that's not something we have. Flat out denying it for a second time. But people didn't accept that as a good answer. In fact, they sort of narrowed down who would do such a thing. And they landed on, this must be the work of EYP, which is Greeks Intelligence Agency, pronounced ape. Because here's the thing.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

This technology is supposedly only sold to intelligence agencies. So either they did it, or they know who did it, or should be investigating to find out who did it. And if they don't know who did it, then they're bad at their jobs, you know? So Ape has to know something about this.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

This technology is supposedly only sold to intelligence agencies. So either they did it, or they know who did it, or should be investigating to find out who did it. And if they don't know who did it, then they're bad at their jobs, you know? So Ape has to know something about this.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

And this circles back to the Greek prime minister, too, because as soon as he took office in 2019, he moved the Greek intelligence agency to be under the direct control of the prime minister's office. But not all news outlets were angry about this in Greece.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

And this circles back to the Greek prime minister, too, because as soon as he took office in 2019, he moved the Greek intelligence agency to be under the direct control of the prime minister's office. But not all news outlets were angry about this in Greece.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

In fact, a lot of mainstream media in Greece was on the government side trying to slander the journalists for bringing up these stories, even slandering the people who were infected by the spyware since they were critical of the government. It was a mess. Now, while all this was going on in Greece, a big conference was kicking off in Prague called ISS World.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

In fact, a lot of mainstream media in Greece was on the government side trying to slander the journalists for bringing up these stories, even slandering the people who were infected by the spyware since they were critical of the government. It was a mess. Now, while all this was going on in Greece, a big conference was kicking off in Prague called ISS World.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

So when you list a bunch of companies like that, I just feel like, oh my gosh, there's got to be a huge story for every one of those companies. Who have they done business with? Who have they spied on? What shady deals are they dealing with? We keep picking on NSO, but I really feel like just walk into the ISS World Conference and every one of these companies are... Are any of them above board?

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

So when you list a bunch of companies like that, I just feel like, oh my gosh, there's got to be a huge story for every one of those companies. Who have they done business with? Who have they spied on? What shady deals are they dealing with? We keep picking on NSO, but I really feel like just walk into the ISS World Conference and every one of these companies are... Are any of them above board?

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

Are any of them like, oh, no, we're very clean? Or are they all, oh, yeah, this is a cyber weapon that you can use to spy on your citizens with if you want. We don't care. We'll look the other way.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

Are any of them like, oh, no, we're very clean? Or are they all, oh, yeah, this is a cyber weapon that you can use to spy on your citizens with if you want. We don't care. We'll look the other way.