Jack Recider
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I fact-check my guests as best I can, but I do most of the research and writing for this show, and I can only check so much. Before publishing that episode, I spoke to some people who knew Greg personally from Tampa, where he's from, and they told me he's legit. On top of that, he was featured in a Rolling Stone magazine article saying he's the one who created Sub-7.
I figure Rolling Stone would do some fact-checking themselves, right? And also, Greg offered to show me the source code for Sub7, and he demonstrated how he has control over the Sub7 domain name. So I just show this to people who didn't buy the story. But as I listened to people and read more theories about this, it started to make me think maybe they're right.
I figure Rolling Stone would do some fact-checking themselves, right? And also, Greg offered to show me the source code for Sub7, and he demonstrated how he has control over the Sub7 domain name. So I just show this to people who didn't buy the story. But as I listened to people and read more theories about this, it started to make me think maybe they're right.
Maybe I interviewed the wrong person. See, I interviewed a guy named Greg who goes by Mobman, and on every version of Sub7, it was created by someone calling themselves Mobman. So I was starting to think, wait, if Greg didn't make Sub 7, then are there two mob men out there? If so, where's the second one? Somewhere around 2004, the Sub-7 creator, Mob Man, disappeared.
Maybe I interviewed the wrong person. See, I interviewed a guy named Greg who goes by Mobman, and on every version of Sub7, it was created by someone calling themselves Mobman. So I was starting to think, wait, if Greg didn't make Sub 7, then are there two mob men out there? If so, where's the second one? Somewhere around 2004, the Sub-7 creator, Mob Man, disappeared.
And Greg just so happened to get arrested the same time too. And so he says that's why he disappeared. So did two Mob Men disappear at the same time? If there are two, then Greg is the only one who came back as Mob Man. The other Mob Man is still out there somewhere.
And Greg just so happened to get arrested the same time too. And so he says that's why he disappeared. So did two Mob Men disappear at the same time? If there are two, then Greg is the only one who came back as Mob Man. The other Mob Man is still out there somewhere.
Well, a guy named Ill Will took it upon himself to find the real mob man, and he spent years hunting through the internet looking for him, and eventually found a clue which led him to a potential email address used by the real mob man. He emailed him, and sure enough, he said, yeah, I'm the one who created Sub 7. You found me. And I got connected with this mob man to hear the story. Hello, hello.
Well, a guy named Ill Will took it upon himself to find the real mob man, and he spent years hunting through the internet looking for him, and eventually found a clue which led him to a potential email address used by the real mob man. He emailed him, and sure enough, he said, yeah, I'm the one who created Sub 7. You found me. And I got connected with this mob man to hear the story. Hello, hello.
Yeah, why not? Now, you have the tag here, Mob Man, here in our call. I do. Is that your nickname? Yes. When did you start using that?
Yeah, why not? Now, you have the tag here, Mob Man, here in our call. I do. Is that your nickname? Yes. When did you start using that?
It's a trip, you know, to get here because for the last six years, I've known Mob Man to be a different guy. I'm aware. And now I feel like I've met a new Mob Man. So let's go back to the 90s. What was your early experience with just cybersecurity?
It's a trip, you know, to get here because for the last six years, I've known Mob Man to be a different guy. I'm aware. And now I feel like I've met a new Mob Man. So let's go back to the 90s. What was your early experience with just cybersecurity?
That was it. That's how everything started. And so, the story goes, Sub-7 was born.
That was it. That's how everything started. And so, the story goes, Sub-7 was born.
If you created this as like a coding challenge, did you ever feel bad when people used it for malicious purposes?
If you created this as like a coding challenge, did you ever feel bad when people used it for malicious purposes?
Hmm. The thing is, as this tool began getting popular, it started to be used more and more in criminal activity, using it to take over someone's computer. You can see exactly what they're doing on it. Or you could steal their files or session cookies or wipe their computer and delete everything.