Jack Recider

Yeah, and it's fascinating, too, that AFGU was somehow able to control the company in a way that all the developers and suppliers and shippers and even the distributors had no idea that the FBI or AFP was involved, right? Or even that there was a man in the middle. I mean, what was the kind of the thoughts going on in the developers' head?

Yeah, and it's fascinating, too, that AFGU was somehow able to control the company in a way that all the developers and suppliers and shippers and even the distributors had no idea that the FBI or AFP was involved, right? Or even that there was a man in the middle. I mean, what was the kind of the thoughts going on in the developers' head?

Did they know that they were building a man in the middle and encryption? Or what did they think?

Did they know that they were building a man in the middle and encryption? Or what did they think?

Yeah, I found that part to be interesting. I didn't realize how common that was. So the other day I was looking to see if Google has any sort of end-to-end encryption in their chats. And I didn't think they did, but they're like, yeah, we do. I was like, well, shoot, sign me up. And it's like, well, what we have is for businesses, for enterprise.

Yeah, I found that part to be interesting. I didn't realize how common that was. So the other day I was looking to see if Google has any sort of end-to-end encryption in their chats. And I didn't think they did, but they're like, yeah, we do. I was like, well, shoot, sign me up. And it's like, well, what we have is for businesses, for enterprise.

And the way we have it set up is that the admin of the account can see all the messages that your users are sending encrypted. And I was like, what? Hold on a second. Why would you have a man in the middle of an encrypted thing? And then I read your book and I was like, oh, this is more common than I realized. For instance, I think you mentioned federal agencies.

And the way we have it set up is that the admin of the account can see all the messages that your users are sending encrypted. And I was like, what? Hold on a second. Why would you have a man in the middle of an encrypted thing? And then I read your book and I was like, oh, this is more common than I realized. For instance, I think you mentioned federal agencies.

have to be able to pull up any communications, emails, chats, messages, and stuff in case there's indictments or subpoenas, what was talked about federally or even state agencies, at least in the U.S. here. This stuff has to be archived. And if it's encrypted, you can't archive it in a proper way. So there is a reason to get in and take a look. I don't know. This kind of just surprised me.

have to be able to pull up any communications, emails, chats, messages, and stuff in case there's indictments or subpoenas, what was talked about federally or even state agencies, at least in the U.S. here. This stuff has to be archived. And if it's encrypted, you can't archive it in a proper way. So there is a reason to get in and take a look. I don't know. This kind of just surprised me.

Too many secrets. See tech astronomy. I mean, think about it. The criminals think they're the ones being the most secretive here. They've got these super private Anom phones, which you need a pin to unlock and then go through a dummy calculator app to punch in a secret code to get into the chat apps that are end-to-end encrypted, right?

Too many secrets. See tech astronomy. I mean, think about it. The criminals think they're the ones being the most secretive here. They've got these super private Anom phones, which you need a pin to unlock and then go through a dummy calculator app to punch in a secret code to get into the chat apps that are end-to-end encrypted, right?

Then they're doing things like disguising their voice and having disappearing messages and being super secretive about their crimes, trusting Anom with all their secrets. Then there's AFKU, who is secretly scooping up all these messages and lying to his developers of who these customers are.

Then they're doing things like disguising their voice and having disappearing messages and being super secretive about their crimes, trusting Anom with all their secrets. Then there's AFKU, who is secretly scooping up all these messages and lying to his developers of who these customers are.

And then there's the FBI and AFP who are secretly reading them all and secretly making business deals with AFKU.

And then there's the FBI and AFP who are secretly reading them all and secretly making business deals with AFKU.

I mean, did you know that the FBI was operating a tech startup, which was a phone purposely built for criminals to use to message each other? Secrets were kept from you in this story, too.

I mean, did you know that the FBI was operating a tech startup, which was a phone purposely built for criminals to use to message each other? Secrets were kept from you in this story, too.

Well, criminals had no idea they were being played. So Anam phones just kept spreading. They ended up making their way to some criminals in Europe and things really started to heat up there.

Well, criminals had no idea they were being played. So Anam phones just kept spreading. They ended up making their way to some criminals in Europe and things really started to heat up there.