Jack Symes

But the idea, though, that probably everywhere in the whole world there's been some creature that's died, right? I don't feel weird sat here. Or like when you get a record or something, or you're listening to it on Spotify or something, like a song, but you know the person who's made that song has done something dreadful. You get that same kind of feeling then.

So maybe the simpler explanation is something like, It's your association with these things. It's just these connections in your brain going, bad thing, this building, right? Sure. It's shortcut evolutionarily speaking.

Yeah, I think Pink is right on all of these metrics. Everything's better now than it was. And if you want to combine that with a process theology in which God is identical to the world and the world's getting better, and it's better to start a business, go broke, pull yourself up again, and then succeed, than it is just to have the best thing to begin with.

Yeah, right. So that taps into our intuitions about what it is to develop a great character and have a better world, you might think.

But I suppose like pre 1859 before the on the origin of species in Darwin I think actually theism was the reasonable worldview to have like this idea of this God outside of time and space and You can run all of these they call them like theodicies and defenses like reasons why God allows evil to exist right? I think when you think about

like the evils, like events, like the wars and all the diseases that are in our country, in our world, you sort of go, well, I can see how some of these defenses, like you need hurricanes for hurricane relief funds, or you need to go broke to appreciate money or something, right? All of these, I think they probably work for humans.

But then I don't think since then, and maybe this is a part of the reason why people or Christians, especially in this country, are fearful of evolution by natural selection. Maybe it's not because they just care so much about their history of the world, which would seem a little bit weird to me that that's the hill they want to die on, like how old the earth is.

But actually, if God is responsible for this process, that seems like a bigger stain on God's record. So you can see why they're reluctant to accept something like that. Maybe it's the only way.

I worry, though, that when you do the maths, whether it can be justified. We're talking like trillions of uncountable animals. Forever. Forever. Into time, and eventually it sorts itself out. Well, it's kind of getting better, right? But, like, if I was to say to you, like, you know, I can spawn a person here next to us now, but to do it, I'm going to execute 50 chimpanzees right there.

Like, if you said yes, I think I'd say that was a stupid choice to do. It's a weird choice because we've definitely done that. We've definitely done that for makeup. Well, yeah.

Yeah. Well, this ties in. I think people think this, though, that the problem cuts deep. When you ask people, 90% of people in the UK think that keeping animals in cages is cruel. 50% of people in the US think that. Yet 98.5% of chickens, turkeys, and pigs are kept in factory farms. Is that real? That's a real number? 70% of cows.

Holy shit. And 98% of turkeys. Wow. And it's about the same for pigs. But you see the juxtaposition there, right? You've got people that think it's wrong, but they're doing otherwise.

They live this idyllic life until he's like in the meat is better You feel better about the whole thing It's like I've heard him say something about this before where he goes like but ultimately it's because it tastes better So although like I'm happy he's doing it, right?

This is a this is no comparison to factory farming and if all the farming that was out there in the world was like Russell Crowe's then I

Yeah, do you think he's got like the... Yes, he cares about them. Did he talk about how he like ends their lives? He didn't. I didn't ask.

Well, right. Apparently that's instantaneous. Take the comparison, right? Yeah. Would you rather have your nose cut off, your children taken away from you, be stuffed in a cage for your life and pumped full of hormones and then be electrocuted or have your throat slit? Or would you rather run around in the field with your family and then one day the lights just go out?

I'm skeptical because if it goes average age to cow, if it's going to be like wild cow, maybe 15, 16 years.

That happens with bulls too. Well, especially in the factory farms as well. They're definitely not going to live much longer there, are they? No.

Well, it's interesting. So I don't know when he's obviously killing these cows, right? But is he doing it right towards the end of the life? Then it seems like it might still be... wrong in a sense though, right? There's a reason why when we take our dogs to the vets to be euthanized that you don't get there and the vet pulls out a fucking crossbow or a gun or something, right? Right.

Because you go, no, there's a better way you can do this. You've run out of injections or something. The Greek for euthanasia means good death. There are better ways of doing it.