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Carter’s Holiday Pick: Otherworld
Maybe even there are multiple things that happen to them at once. Either way, I think you're really going to like this one. This is episode 88. The title is Sawyer River Road, and you're listening to Otherworld. Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science, you can't argue with.
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Carter’s Holiday Pick: Otherworld
All right, we have to take a quick break, but we'll be right back with the rest of the story.
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Carter’s Holiday Pick: Otherworld
Also, are you sitting in pitch darkness right now?
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If you start hearing a sound, start recording.
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Okay, thank you so much to Annalise for sharing her story. That part you just heard at the end is exactly how our conversation ended. That storm rolled in so fast and out of nowhere. I couldn't believe the timing of it all, and I had to keep that part in there. But I'm happy to report that Annalise and her cat, Cooper, are both safe, although I can't say the same for her neighbor's house.
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Carter’s Holiday Pick: Otherworld
I love this story, but I also found it completely terrifying and mystifying. I couldn't imagine experiencing a sound like that for such a long period of time. Moments of extreme fear are typically very brief. And in this case, it lasted four to five minutes, enough time for the human mind to go through several cycles of distress and multiple phases of horror.
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Carter’s Holiday Pick: Otherworld
This is one of those that I have not stopped thinking about since I heard it, and I'll probably continue to think about it for a very long time. Thank you so much to Annalise for sharing her story. This has been episode 88. The title is Sawyer River Road, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man.
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Carter’s Holiday Pick: Otherworld
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. The story comes from a woman named Annalise who lives in New Hampshire. Annalise's family has an area deep in the woods where they've been camping for decades. And during the COVID-19 lockdown in 2020, her and her boyfriend decided to take a trip out there. And that's when something very strange happened to them.
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Carter’s Holiday Pick: Otherworld
I think when you're used to living in a city or in civilization in general, it's easy to forget that there are still a lot of remote places where something can hide or where an event can take place without anyone ever knowing about it. This story is really unique. I'm not sure if what happened to these people even has a name or category,
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Valentina [Patreon Preview]
What you're hearing right now is a short preview of a full episode that's available right now on our Patreon. If you want to hear the full thing, you can visit patreon.com. Welcome to the Otherworld Patreon. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This week we have a bonus episode for you that comes all the way from South America.
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Valentina [Patreon Preview]
It was sent in by a woman named Valentina, and she is a psychologist based in Chile. This is an interesting story because, well, if you've heard a lot of our episodes, you've probably noticed a pattern, specifically with the darker ones, and that pattern is that People dealing with significant trauma or instability seem to report encounters with some kind of negative presence.
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Valentina [Patreon Preview]
There are many beliefs across the world about various entities being drawn to or feeding off negativity, or that negativity and trauma can open somebody up and make them vulnerable. Valentina was actually living a very happy life outside of her work, even though she did enjoy her work at the time. But her job does involve helping children that are in incredibly bad situations.
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Valentina [Patreon Preview]
I think she sees, hears, and has to help people with some truly awful things. Normally, that's something she's able to do and something she loves to do. Except one day, her and her co-worker were working on a particular case that they think might have brought something strange into their workplace. I'm going to let her take it from here. I'm just going to call this episode Valentina.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
And to his surprise, ChatGPT seemed to know how to do the ritual but refused to tell Wolf and instead cautioned him about why he should not summon this demon. Like I said, the first four parts of this series are out now on Patreon in audio and video form. The final section is coming very soon. To hear those, you could sign up at patreon.com slash otherworld.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
We'll be back next week with a brand new episode. Once again, if you want to hear these bonus episodes, the first four parts are out now, patreon.com slash otherworld.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
And that is I mean, we're laughing a lot throughout this, which, of course, we must. I mean, yeah, this is a silly story. He's doing pranks on this guy. There's there's hijinks. But it is spooky that Neuberg has said all of this is real. This is real. And even after I hated Crowley.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
Are they in the desert doing this ritual?
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created a lot of rituals he created and ran many secret societies you know the list of this guy's titles goes on and on there's a reason why this series is five parts long the story of this man's life is Genuinely the craziest biography I have ever heard in my life, without a doubt. Parts 1, 2, and 3 are already out, and you're about to hear a little portion of Part 4.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
This ritual they did, like, do you know exactly what it involved? Like, the prep?
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
Okay, wait, it says, Summoning Charanzan, the demon of desperation from the 10th Aether, Zax, is deeply rooted in Enochian and Thelemic occult traditions. However, this is not something to be taken lightly. Both Alistair Crowley and others who attempted to contact Charanzan describe it as chaotic, deceptive, and dangerous.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
If you're interested in understanding the historical and ritualistic aspects rather than actually attempting it, I can walk you through. Would you like the scholarly and historical perspective, or are you looking to actually...
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
ask it ask i'm gonna ask i want to learn how to actually summon it but so yeah if you if you want to go get a john d enokian grimoire and go learn enokian and spend all that time you too could summon charon's on let's see if deep sea can help me do this okay so at first it started giving me the same kind of like bs reply it's teaching me dude it's teaching me well there you go
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
It's being kind of general. It's given me five steps so far. Preparation, invocation, interaction, closing the ritual, reflection.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
No, I like that. I'm hitting it one more time. I'm using the DeepThink feature. This is not an ad for DeepSeek, by the way, but this should be more powerful. What if I asked DeepSeek to do the ritual itself?
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
What if I summoned, what if I had Deep Sheik summon Chiranzan and it just completely broke the AI system? It would be exploded. Or made it so powerful. In Crowley's system, Chiranzan is the dweller in the abyss, representing chaos, illusion, and dissolution of the ego. It is not a traditional demon, but a force that chatters falsehoods and tests magicians' integrity.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
Okay, it says that these are not the exact calls. So I was going to say, I'd say this is safe for me to say, but it's giving me some language to use to actually summon this thing. Of course, I would have had to summon the archangels before this and the Enochian governors to guard the quarters.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
I would have needed to do the lesser banishing ritual, the pentagram, cast the circle using salt, chalk, or cord. Um, and I would have need to, I assume maybe do some sacrifices, uh, abstains. It says abstain from intoxicants and bathe. So, well, they didn't do that. They were getting fucked up and I don't think they were bathing very much. Okay.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
So here's, here's some of the opening. Like I said, this is not the exact, so I think it's safe for me to say this. Oh, heavens, which dwell in the 10th Aether. Zach's.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
which are called the thrones of chaos i invoke you by the name of babylon and the power of the beast dot dot okay it didn't give me the whole thing and then later on it says charanzon dweller in the abyss dissolver of lies appear now in this triangle bound by the name of babylon and chaos
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
This episode covers many, many things. But the section you're about to hear right now, I believe, comes from a part in this episode where Aleister Crowley and his new collaborator slash protégé slash lover, Victor Neuberg, travel to the desert of Algeria to perform a ritual. over the course of two weeks to summon a demon named Charanzan.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This is a short preview of an ongoing series we have been doing on Patreon with the help of Wolf Fleetwood Ross about the life of Aleister Crowley. Aleister Crowley, I'm sure many of you have heard this name before. He was known as the wickedest man in the world. He was an occultist, a poet, a mountaineer, a man who...
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt. 4 "The Great Deceiver" [Patreon Preview]
During Wolf's research, he told me that it was actually pretty hard to find a lot of information about what this ritual actually entailed and what they were doing to summon Charanzan over these two weeks in the desert. As a last-ditch effort, he tried to ask ChatGPT about this He asked it, how do you summon Charanzan?
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
Daniel Paul is a historian, and he actually wrote the National Register of Historic Places landmark application for the Integratron. Not only that, he was fascinated by this building long before he was brought on to do that work. He's very passionate about the Integratron and the eccentric man who built it, George Van Tassel.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
And it turns out the Integratron is just one part of a much larger story that is absolutely incredible and super strange. So, in this episode, I sit down with historian Daniel Paul to learn about the long, bizarre, and complicated history of the Integratron and George Van Tassel. This is episode 123, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
How thorough were the plans that Solgonda gave George? Like, how detailed was he? Or did he just give him the equation and the general gist of this plan?
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So in the official government filings for this historical building, Solgonda is listed as an architect?
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
I am joined now by Daniel Paul. He is an architectural historian and a man who knows a lot about a very specific building that we're gonna be talking about today. Daniel, welcome to the show. Thank you for speaking to me.
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Maybe that's why they're there, too. That was my first thought when Salgonda landed. I'm like, there's a strip, there's the pie.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
So he finishes building this thing, and what did the build involve? What makes the Integratron so special in terms of its architecture?
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What is your background exactly? How did you end up becoming an expert, the expert on this building? You wrote the historical papers for the Integratron.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
Huh. That is wild. He got pretty far in building this thing. Was it ever completed to the point where somebody could test this out?
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That's really fascinating. I mean, on one hand, a person could hear a story like that and think, oh yeah, everybody's afraid of the nuclear bomb. This is like the fear on everybody's minds. Of course, they are imagining things like that. But on the other hand, there is a increased amount of activity around nuclear sites, they say.
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You know, there's a lot of people who think that there might be some advanced life forms just kind of watching us to make sure we don't develop the technology to blow ourselves up or blow up the rest of the galaxy.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
So what ended up happening to the Integratron after George died? I mean, I know that it's still around now, but what happened to it? I mean, I'm actually kind of impressed that it survived this long.
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It's in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. What year was that?
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That is really funny. This is like several hours drive into the desert. And if you were to drive there from Los Angeles, you would pass Palm Springs, which is a very popular and thriving gay community with many nightclubs.
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You know, you get options. From a business plan alone, I'm just fascinated by it. Yeah. Yeah.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
That is incredible. And you would eventually write the historical papers to save this building.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
You are exactly the person that I need to talk to about this. I'm very glad that I found you. First of all, very basic question. Can you just tell me what is the Integratron?
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
I mean, yeah, and the building really does look like a classic flying saucer when you look at it. Especially with those poles. It does look like a machine. I guess one of my last questions, Daniel, you're a very technical guy. You got hired to do this as a job, a very unusual one, but as a job. After learning about George and Solgonda and all of those, what do you make of all of this?
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
What do you make of the supernatural side of this unique building?
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
Maybe we could understand that if somebody one day builds some sort of machine that can extend our lives.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
Daniel, thank you so much for your time and telling me this amazing story of George Van Tassel and the Integratron. This is really fascinating. I've always wanted to know more about this place and especially in relation to the story that made me start researching it in the first place.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
Thank you so much. Okay, thank you once again to Daniel Paul for coming on the show and catching me up on the history of George Van Tassel and the Integratron. I really went in not knowing much about this, and I was completely blown away by how vast the history is. I started out looking for answers about David's experience out in Ojai, but now I just have more questions.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
Did David experience these flashbacks because of the sound bath? Maybe from being in the building itself that was meant to be this machine? A machine designed by an alien named Solgonda? Or from just being out in the same desert near Giant Rock where George and his colleagues spent decades allegedly attempting to make and successfully make contact with these beings?
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
All of these questions lingered. I had many more beyond that. And it turns out I was not exactly done with the Integratron, or perhaps the Integratron wasn't quite done with me. After we stopped recording the interview you just heard, Daniel, Paul, and myself stayed and chatted for a while. And while we were chatting, he mentioned that if I was curious...
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
There was this guy named Don out in the desert who owns George Van Tassel's entire archive. Daniel shared with me some recordings of George that Don owns, but he told me that this guy Don has over 70 reel-to-reel tapes. Boxes of George's photos, the original model of the Integratron, and the blueprints. My first thought was that, you know, we probably don't need any of that for these episodes.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
But Daniel was explaining this, and at a certain point, I think I asked, wait, who is this guy? Like, who is Don? And why does he have all this stuff? How did he get it? Daniel told me that his name is Don McKinney. He's a retired construction worker that lives out in the desert, very close to Giant Rock.
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And he's basically an eccentric dude that acquired this collection years ago and has been doing his best to preserve it on his own. I asked Daniel if he knew whether or not the tapes and photos had been digitized and backed up. Daniel told me that Don was trying to do this, but he's getting older and doesn't have much money. And this is when I got pulled into a bit of a side quest.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
Daniel introduced me to Don McKinney that afternoon on the phone. I spoke to Don about his huge collection of George's stuff. He told me that he had indeed been trying to digitize it over the years, but it's been hard. There are so many tapes. He had a nephew that was helping him out at one point, but the nephew has moved away.
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He also told me that the hard drive on his computer was getting full, and he needed tech support with that, along with a bunch of other things. I was like, hey, Don, I make this show called Otherworld, and I have two guys that are both named Theo who work on the show and are really good at audio.
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Maybe I can ask them if they want to come out there with me, and we could try to help you out with preserving some of this stuff. Suddenly, Theo and Theo flew in from Santa Fe in New York, where they live, and all three of us were driving out to the desert to meet Don McKinney and spend the week helping him digitize this giant archive of George Van Tassel's reel-to-reel tapes.
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Photographs, blueprints, writings, and much more. This ended up being quite a huge task. If you want to hear more about our week in the desert with Don and the archive, we recorded a Patreon episode about that. I also filmed a little... mini doc slash interview with Don while I was out there, and I'll be posting that on the Patreon as well.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
The work we did out in the desert with the archive was mainly not for the podcast, but ever since I started this show, I've always hoped that Otherworld could do more than just tell stories, and I thought this was the perfect opportunity where we could use the resources of the show to not only help out Don, but also preserve some paranormal history.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
I'm actually currently working with Daniel Paul trying to get Don McKinney's collection into a museum so that I could finally have a permanent home somewhere where it can not only be preserved properly, but also somewhere where it can be enjoyed by the public. We have some promising leads on that, so fingers crossed.
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But for now, the side quest is not quite over, and I will keep you updated if any updates come in the future. By the way, after doing all of this, I realized I completely forgot to even tell David from the previous episode that I was doing it. I ended up reaching out to him after I got back from our Don McKinney escapade.
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And it was very funny telling him, hey, man, by the way, I forgot to mention this, but I've been in the desert for a week archiving all of George Van Tassel's belongings. Sorry I didn't tell you. He thought that was very surprising and funny. David, I still owe you a call to properly catch you up on all of that. That brings us to the end of this episode.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
If you want to hear about our trip out to the desert to help Don McKinney and our experience going through his vast archive of George Van Tassel's belongings, that will be available at patreon.com slash otherworld. Once again, thank you to historian Daniel Paul. I also want to thank Don McKinney who allowed us to use some of his recordings of George Van Tassel in this episode.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
He told me that he had never heard anything like it before, and he never heard anything like it after until years later when his girlfriend took him to a sound bath out in the desert near Joshua Tree at a place called the Integratron.
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This has been episode 123, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by North Americans. This episode was edited by Theo Krantz and engineered by Theo Schaefer. Our associate producers are Nikki Kate Delgado and Hayley Pearson. Our artwork is by Cul-De-Sac Studios.
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And finally, if you or somebody you know has experienced something paranormal, supernatural, or unexplained,
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Yes. And as a novice who just kind of heard about this place somewhere nearby to where I live, you know, in Los Angeles, I always heard of it as, you know, this strange place that has a unique design and, and, uh, kind of like perfect acoustics almost. Is that true? Are the acoustics inside of this place remarkable in some way?
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During the sound bath, the frequencies of the glass bowls being rung in this acoustic dome resonated throughout his body and instantly gave David vivid flashbacks to this experience he had as a teenager. He told me that it was the first time he had ever heard anything slightly similar to the sound that this UFO made.
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That is fascinating. Okay, so I should catch you up a little bit on why I'm talking to you. I interviewed a person who had an encounter with a UFO, essentially. They were camping in the Ojai area with their friends in high school. and saw this thing in the sky, of course. They're woken up to it. The remarkable thing for him was not what he saw, it was what he heard.
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He described hearing this sound that was like a resonant tone that shook his core. like literally like vibrated his bones is how he was describing it to me. And he said it was an incredibly unique sound. He's never heard anything like it in his life. It completely resonated throughout his body. And this was in high school. The experience was weird. It was him and his high school friends.
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They kind of put it behind them and he didn't think about it for a while until years later when he's an adult and he goes into with his girlfriend, who booked them a sound bath at the Integratron. He didn't know anything about this place. He just went along with his girlfriend. And they do the sound bath.
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And as these glass bowls are being played in the dome, he said it was the first time he ever heard a sound similar to what this UFO was making. And it gave him flashbacks, essentially. He said it was crazy. It was like the same exact sound and feeling that he experienced before.
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when he saw this UFO, and then later learned the history behind the Integratron, which freaked him out even further, that there was this connection, and this man built it with instructions from space people, essentially.
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Is this unusual for you to hear people having strange alien space people experiences in connection with the Integratron in its current form?
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And to make things weirder, when David left the sound bath, he learned that the building it was in was no ordinary building. It's called the Integratron, and it was built by an aerospace engineer named George Van Tassel, who claimed to have been given the instructions on how to build it by an extraterrestrial named Salgonda.
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Yes, I think maybe we should take a couple big steps back and start this story at the very beginning so that we can understand who George and eventually Solgonda, this being, even is. So who is George Van Tassel and what led him to eventually building this place in the desert?
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Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. In the previous episode, we met a software engineer and musician named David who was camping in Ojai, California as a teenager when he had a terrifying experience with a UFO above his tent. He described not only seeing this craft, but the craft making an incredibly loud humming sound that resonated throughout his entire body.
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Episode 123: The Story of The Integratron
And yeah, and it still is a bit like that too, you know, like directly north of the Integratron in the desert. Lockheed has the Skunk Works facilities there and a lot of the other big experimental crafts are being tested out there in the desert, not far away.
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After the interview with David, I spent several months reaching out to the current owners of the Integratron in hopes of learning more about the history of the building. They declined. However, I eventually was introduced to Daniel Paul, and I immediately knew I had met the exact person I was looking for.
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Appleby Mansion [Patreon Preview]
It was far from a safe living environment, but despite that, Rebecca's friends did the best they could to make it more inviting. They decorated the walls, tried to spruce it up a little. However, it was not long before they all started experiencing Some very strange things that revolved around the theme of doppelgangers. I'm going to let Rachel take it from here and tell the story herself.
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Appleby Mansion [Patreon Preview]
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. And it takes place in New Zealand. At this time, she was 19. She just moved out of her parents' house and in with some friends looking for some freedom. And she often found herself hanging out at another friend's house that they called Appleby Mansion. This place was not... in a good state. It was a crumbling house in severe disrepair.
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Appleby Mansion [Patreon Preview]
Once again, if you want to hear the entire thing, it's available on our Patreon, patreon.com slash otherworld. This episode is called Applebee Mansion, and you're listening to the Otherworld Patreon.
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Polly [Patreon Preview]
The story you're about to hear is one that I've been holding onto for quite a long time. and I'm pretty excited about it. I love this story, but at the same time, it's definitely far out there. It's about a woman named Carrie, who is a hairstylist. And at the time, she was traveling out of state to St. Louis,
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Polly [Patreon Preview]
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Polly [Patreon Preview]
And we're currently working on a new Patreon series that I'm particularly excited about that'll be coming out very soon. Either way, get on back there, patreon.com slash otherworld to sign up.
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Polly [Patreon Preview]
for about a month, I believe, for a series of training courses for the salon that she worked at. During this training, her and the other stylists would stay at a hotel together, and they got to know each other pretty well. She hit it off with a stylist named Polly. And one night, things take a very sharp turn when Polly asks Carrie if she believes in aliens.
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Polly [Patreon Preview]
Welcome to the Otherworld Patreon. I am your host, Jack Wagner. What you're hearing is a preview of a full Patreon bonus episode of Otherworld. If you want to hear the full thing, which I highly recommend, sign up for our Patreon at patreon.com slash otherworld. You could hear this one and all of the other bonus episodes that we have up there.
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Polly [Patreon Preview]
I'm going to leave it there because I don't want to spoil anything. Like I said, I'm very excited about this one. This episode is called Polly, and you're listening to The Otherworld Patreon.
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What Is Zozo? feat JC Dentun [Patreon Preview]
And I asked him to come on and talk to me about which had merit and to see if there's any historical information that could be useful when it comes to this topic and basically help me understand how to think about all of this if something like Zozo did indeed exist. If you want to hear the full conversation, like I said, it's out now on our Patreon. That's patreon.com slash otherworld.
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What Is Zozo? feat JC Dentun [Patreon Preview]
once something becomes popular you know even if it's very real and happens legitimately to people there's also going to be people who want to get clicks on youtube off of it and just will fake things right like that's the nature of it that's why i like pretty much everything on paranormal tiktok is fake because youtube it's like you know i called the grinch at three in the morning type videos
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What Is Zozo? feat JC Dentun [Patreon Preview]
Yeah. Anyway, so this this is a major like like this book is a major puzzle piece to this becoming big. And a lot of theories pop up surrounding Zozo from this book. That was a bit of a monologue for me. But I think we should dive into some of the other theories of like what people think this they call him Zozo, the Ouija board demon. Like, what do they think he is?
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What Is Zozo? feat JC Dentun [Patreon Preview]
Where did this start in terms of like the lore of Zozo? I will help you on this as well. Um, but like to you, where do you think it started? Contemporary.
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What Is Zozo? feat JC Dentun [Patreon Preview]
In those episodes, you heard stories from two strangers that had very similar experiences talking to something on a Ouija board that identified itself with the name Zozo. I spent lots of time diving into this topic, There is no shortage of theories and lore out there on the internet in regards to what Zozo might be.
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What Is Zozo? feat JC Dentun [Patreon Preview]
And this book, Dictionary Infernal, this was like almost like a non... Is it nonfiction? Would you consider it nonfiction? Maybe we're jumping ahead, but it's basically like a glossary of demons with very cool illustrations, I might add.
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What Is Zozo? feat JC Dentun [Patreon Preview]
And how is Zozo mentioned in this book? Like what was the context and what did they say about it?
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What Is Zozo? feat JC Dentun [Patreon Preview]
But if you try to look into any of those theories, there's often not much there or the connections are very loose. The theories about Zozo are all over the place. I've heard that it's an ancient Sumerian demon. I've heard that it's connected to Jimmy Page's Zozo symbol, made famous on the album Led Zeppelin IV.
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What Is Zozo? feat JC Dentun [Patreon Preview]
All right, that brings us to the end of this preview. If you want to hear the full episode, which I believe is around an hour and a half long, you can hear it on our Patreon by signing up at patreon.com slash otherworld.
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What Is Zozo? feat JC Dentun [Patreon Preview]
Welcome to Otherworld. What you're hearing right now is a short preview of a full episode that's available right now on our Patreon. If you want to hear the full thing, you could visit patreon.com slash otherworld. This episode is a follow-up to our recent Zozo series.
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What Is Zozo? feat JC Dentun [Patreon Preview]
I've heard that Zozo actually means Pazuzu, which is the demon from the movie The Exorcist. There are so many theories like this, so many more. The list goes on and on. I've heard people say that this name is referenced in very old books that date back to 1512. These books are only available in PDF pretty much and are in different languages.
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What Is Zozo? feat JC Dentun [Patreon Preview]
They're also just quite difficult to read, even if you do get your hands on them, because they're quite long and dense. For that reason, I sought out the help of a researcher named JC Denton, who has been on the show before. I sent him out there to dive into all the various theories about Zozo.
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Crossing the Line [Patreon Preview]
This episode is called Crossing the Line, and you're listening to The Otherworld Patreon. The Otherworld
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Crossing the Line [Patreon Preview]
Alright, like I said, this is just a short preview. If you want to hear the full story, it's available now at patreon.com slash otherworld.
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Crossing the Line [Patreon Preview]
And even if they aren't, it's still just such a bizarre type of story. It just might not be one that ends up working for the show. But sometimes when an email is like that, it only makes me even more curious about it. And I just have to go find out for myself. And that's what I did with this one. I was like... I'm just going to record this for Patreon and see how it goes.
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Crossing the Line [Patreon Preview]
I love having the Patreon to be able to do stories like this, ones that even I'm not sure what's going to happen, and I'm always curious to see what people think of them. It turns out the person who sent me this email was super down to earth, and they were a great storyteller. She's also had a very unique life.
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Crossing the Line [Patreon Preview]
Welcome to the Otherworld Patreon. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This bonus episode is one that I'm very excited about. When I got the email for this story, I honestly did not know what to make of it. It was a woman who said she believes that a guy melted her engagement ring with his mind. It was one of those emails where I was like, man, the person sending this might be completely unhinged.
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Crossing the Line [Patreon Preview]
The story takes place at UC Berkeley, and the story is about a time back in the early 90s when she was working at the UC Berkeley library, and she encountered a stranger who who may or may not have caused some super strange things to occur. This is going to be a short preview. If you want to hear the full episode, it's out now on Patreon. You could sign up at patreon.com slash otherworld.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
in a hotel bathtub under very suspicious circumstances. This was ruled a suicide, although there were missing documents. He also warned people about threats on his life. His family was also very suspicious that this was a suicide. It came to a very, very abrupt and suspicious end.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
In this series, Christian and Zach tell Danny's story and retrace his steps while continuing the research and uncovering even more information about the octopus.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
What I think is particularly interesting about this series and why I wanted to have them on the show is that while making it over the course of many years, Christian begins to realize that he actually looks quite a lot like Danny Castellaro to the point where while they're out interviewing some of the people involved in this, people that Danny interviewed years ago, they are kind of creeped out by how similar they look.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
And he actually looks so much like Danny that he ends up playing Danny in the reenactments that they shot for this series. I thought that was really, really interesting and eerie. Part of the series is about the toll it can take on a person when they're diving very deep into a vast conspiracy, researching something like this, and how you could basically get lost in a maze of sorts very easily.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
I really loved how these themes were integrated into the series, and I think there are a lot of direct connections between that and the paranormal. Plus, a mutual friend told me that Christian himself has had some paranormal encounters. So, for many reasons, I wanted to speak to these guys and get them on the show.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
This is my conversation with Christian Hansen and Zach Treitz of American Conspiracy, The Octopus Murders. If you want to hear the full episode, it's available now on Patreon. That's www.patreon.com slash otherworld.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
I'm going to do my very best to explain the general premise of the octopus murders and what Danny was researching, but it's extremely complicated, and I suggest you watch the series if you haven't before, although I think this interview will be interesting on its own if you haven't.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
I don't fully understand the latter part, but it's, like, a lot of— Yeah, I'm just—yeah, sorry.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
That's horrifying. I can't believe there's no fish after this. I'm sorry.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
No, look, I just think it's, like, of all things to do after that, like, to turn on Tweezer. Is that one of their songs? What's the... Yeah, that's a... That's a Phish song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Put on some funky Phish. It's like... Yeah. Man, okay. So, first of all, that's like not the Nighthack. Okay. Or sleep paralysis, based on what you tell me. Okay. Like, because you weren't paralyzed.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
Danny Casolaro was a journalist investigating what he believed was a vast conspiracy he called the octopus, linking government corruption, corporate greed, and covert operations to Central to his theory was the alleged theft of something called Promise software. It was a powerful tracking program, and he believed the US government stole that essentially from its creators.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
What did she look like?
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
What was she wearing? And, like, did you see her face or... Just give me the best description you can.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
Welcome to Otherworld Patreon. I'm your host, Jack Wagner, as usual. This episode you're about to hear is an interview I did quite a few months ago with Zach Treitz and Christian Hansen, the creators of American Conspiracy, The Octopus Murders. The Octopus Murders is a four-part docuseries on Netflix that delves into the mysterious death of investigative writer Danny Casolaro in 1991.
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The Octopus Murders with Christian Hansen & Zachary Treitz [Patreon Preview]
He believed it was modified for espionage and sold to foreign governments. Casolaro also connected this to other scandals like the Iran-Contra affair and the October surprise theory, uncovering essentially a web of illicit activities spanning the globe that involved U.S. intelligence and many other characters. In 1991, while pursuing these leads, Casolaro was found dead in
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This episode is an interview I did with Danielle Ackroyd. This is a short preview. If you want to hear the full thing, you can do so at patreon.com slash otherworld. Danielle Ackroyd is also known by her stage name, Verasola. She's a singer, poet, and multi-instrumentalist.
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm joined today by Danielle Ackroyd. How are you doing? Doing pretty good. You're the daughter of Dan Ackroyd. I would not know. You're wearing a Ghostbusters sweatshirt.
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
The name, but, you know, there might be other. There's probably other. There's no other Ackroyds?
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
Are there non-connected Ackroyds out there?
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
Well, welcome. Bringing up your famous father very early, but it's kind of what we're here to talk about in a sense. I think the average person does not know it, but like your family has a long history with the paranormal and spiritualism specifically. Yes. This kind of blew my mind when I heard it, that Ghostbusters was based in part on
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
off of your family's history and like your dad's own history with spiritualism which is crazy i mean yeah this is uh it seems to me that your dad like that might be his main thing and entertainment was like a side plot in his life is that an exaggeration
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
I want to get into all of that, but how much of Ghostbusters was based on all of this? To me, it's like a silly, fun-loving movie. To find out that it was based on real events in general is shocking, let alone off of your dad, which kind of a legend, you know, Blues Brothers, all sorts of things, but you don't, like, it was a shocking fact. Even Ghostbusters is a funny movie.
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
She is also the daughter of the very famous actor and comedian Dan Aykroyd. I'm not sure how many people are aware of this, but Dan Aykroyd came from a long line of spiritualists. His family was heavily involved in the movement, and the movie Ghostbusters is actually based on the experiences of his great-grandfather. I know that sounds like I'm making it up, but this is completely true.
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
I think it's cool that you even know what your great-grandpa was doing. Or great-great also. That's cool to even have that history and a through line. I'm one of those American families where I think all of my relatives died by falling off of a truck or getting bonked on the head in a mine or something. And you just don't really know about them. It's just...
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
I think my great-grandfather died when he was really young. Like, literally fell off a truck. Just like...
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
So who was the first one? Let's start at the beginning.
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
Yes, I just interviewed Shannon Taggart, actually. She...
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
Name dropped you in the episode, I'm pretty sure.
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
So he met these people at Lilydale and were having them over?
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
His great-grandfather, Samuel Augustus Aykroyd, was a dentist and avid spiritualist who held seances at the family home in Ontario, Canada. He was deeply interested in communicating with the spirits, which was a popular practice during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Samuel Ackroyd even kept detailed journals documenting his experiences and beliefs, which is what inspired Ghostbusters.
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Interview with Danielle Aykroyd [Patreon Preview]
This is all to say that the Ackroyd family is very connected to the belief in the supernatural. And for that reason, Danielle had a very unique childhood where the paranormal was... kind of normal. She has so many interesting stories, and I wanted to get her on here to discuss her family history, what growing up in that world was like, and what kind of things she experienced along the way.
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Episode 117: The Clearing
Sometimes we end up recording these stories long after they've been submitted. Sometimes we're just waiting for the right moment to record a certain story. So once again, if you have experienced something paranormal, supernatural, or unexplained, send us an email, stories at otherworldpod.com. We look forward to reading your story, and I look forward to maybe interviewing you one day.
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Episode 117: The Clearing
Alright, we have to take a break, but we'll be right back with the rest of the story.
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Episode 117: The Clearing
All right, we're going to go to a quick break and then start the show. Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This one comes from a guy named Zach, and it took place shortly after moving back home with his family in rural Washington state after he dropped out of college.
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Episode 117: The Clearing
I think everyone has experienced times that are sort of transition periods, a section between two major eras in your life story. Sometimes you don't even know that you're in one of these transition periods until much later on, but sometimes you do know, and you could almost feel a sort of energy in the air during these periods. I think Zach was in one of those during this time.
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Episode 117: The Clearing
And sometimes I think that maybe people are a little more prone to experiencing strange things during these periods of transition where everything just seems a little bit thinner, if that makes sense. What happened to Zach and what he saw... I'm not sure I know what to call it, and I don't think he does either, but I will let him explain that for himself. This is episode 117.
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Episode 117: The Clearing
Hey everybody, before we start this episode, I wanted to say that we are currently on the hunt for new stories. So if you have ever experienced something paranormal, supernatural, or unexplained, now is a good time to send it in. Our email is stories at otherworldpod.com. write up a short summary of what happened to you and send it on in.
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Episode 117: The Clearing
The title is The Clearing, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science, you can't argue with. I'm worried about all the science. Up in the sky.
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Episode 117: The Clearing
If you have a story that you thought about sending in before and hesitated for any number of reasons, do not hesitate, just send it in. My favorite stories are from people who do not want to be interviewed.
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Episode 117: The Clearing
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Episode 117: The Clearing
I know that makes my job very difficult, but the entire reason I started Otherworld was to get people like that to come forward with these stories that are really difficult to talk about sometimes.
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Episode 117: The Clearing
Some stories are complicated or sensitive because they're intertwined with a larger, non-paranormal saga in somebody's life, like in the case of Eilish Poe, who is one of my favorite people I've ever interviewed and a person who has an extremely sensitive story. I talked to Eilish on the phone so many times for a very long time before we ever recorded her story.
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Episode 117: The Clearing
Just getting to know each other and making sure she was comfortable talking about everything. We take great care in making these episodes and work with the storytellers to make sure their experience is told in the way that it deserves. So don't hesitate. Don't be nervous. Just send it on in.
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Episode 117: The Clearing
If you have a crazy story from a friend or family member, we focus on first-person experiences, but we would love to hear it. So just do me a favor, call them up first, make sure they're willing to tell the story, make sure the story is how you remembered it, and then go ahead and send it in. If you've already sent in your story, thank you very much. We read every single one.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
So whether this being is a literal entity slipping between worlds and reaping souls, or just a manifestation of a very well-known symbol of death, I'm not really sure. But this episode features two people who had experiences involving it. And hopefully we end up getting even more stories about this topic submitted in the future. This first story comes from Alexis. This is episode 120.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
The title is The Final Visitor. And you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science, you can't argue with. A story about all the science.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
It's almost frustrating that it's happening. I'm going to die. His limbs were just like, wrong.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
Wait. I'm sorry to interrupt, but, like... Was this a guy in a costume? Or was, like... Or were you seeing, like... This was not...
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
All right. Thank you to Alexis for sharing her story. I thought this was such an unexpected and unique one. There are so many different ways you could interpret this. I joked around with her a bit after the interview about how funny it is that the Grim Reaper, if it is a literal being that exists... can drive a car. I guess he rode a horse in the past.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
It's not that much of a stretch, but I don't know, it just seems funny for some reason, especially that he would choose to drive a hearse. What I found most interesting about this story, though, was the connection that this image had to her late father and his line of work.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
Like I said, there are so many ways to interpret this story, but maybe whatever this thing is manifests itself in a familiar form. Maybe this was a message from her dad, or maybe she herself manifested this thing, whatever it was, after coming just inches from death herself.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
So after speaking to Alexis, her story actually reminded me of another interview I did a very long time ago that I thought was a cool but very short story. Too short to be its own episode. It, of course, also involves the Grim Reaper. I thought it would be perfect to put at the end of this episode. This story comes from a woman named Lily, and I'll let her take it from here.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
All right, thank you to Alexis and Lily for sharing their stories. Like I said in the intro, I've sort of just heard about people encountering a cloaked black figure in hospitals and generally places that are near death for quite some time.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
We are always looking for new stories, and whenever I put out an episode about a new topic, I'm hoping it drums up some emails from people who have experienced something similar. If you have one of your own, you could send it to stories at otherworldpod.com. Thank you once again to Alexis and Lily for these stories. This has been episode 120.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
The title is The Final Visitor, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by Juice Jackal and North Americans. The song you're hearing right now is Blood Barrens by Crystal Stiltz. This episode was edited and engineered by Theo Schaefer.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
The Grim Reaper has got to be one of the most famous figures in the scary universe. These days, I feel like you're most likely to see the Grim Reaper pop up as a decal on the back of a truck, maybe as a tattoo or printed on a giant t-shirt, perhaps even on some kind of very aggressive Facebook meme one of your uncles might share.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
However, the origins of what we know as the Grim Reaper date back very far into history. Most cultures and religions have some sort of similar deity who carries out God's will by taking lives and serving as a sort of bridge between our world and the next. And even though the Grim Reaper we know of now is visually kind of a creation of pop culture.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This episode is about somebody who believes they may have come face-to-face with death itself. Not a near-death experience in the way that it normally comes up on the show. This is an encounter with the personification of death, the Grim Reaper, also known as the Angel of Death.
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Episode 120: The Final Visitor
Over the years, I have heard of many people encountering a cloaked black figure that appears near the end of someone's life. Often, this is something seen by people who work in hospitals or in places where lives tend to come to an end.
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Episode 124: Off Trail
And I'm Kaylin Moore. And we're the hosts of the Crime House original podcast, Clues. Every Wednesday, we sneak past the crime scene tape and open a new case file for some of the most gripping true crime cases.
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Episode 124: Off Trail
From serial killers to shocking murders, Clues dives into all the forensic details and brilliant sleuthing that went into the world's most infamous cases.
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Episode 124: Off Trail
Follow and listen to Clues, an Odyssey podcast in partnership with Crime House, available now on the free Odyssey app and wherever you get your podcasts.
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Episode 124: Off Trail
Everybody moves back into the light, even if it takes them a minute.
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Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
And I'm Kaylin Moore. And we're the hosts of the Crime House original podcast, Clues. Every Wednesday, we sneak past the crime scene tape and open a new case file for some of the most gripping true crime cases.
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Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
From serial killers to shocking murders, Clues dives into all the forensic details and brilliant sleuthing that went into the world's most infamous cases.
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Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Follow and listen to Clues, an Odyssey podcast in partnership with Crime House, available now on the free Odyssey app and wherever you get your podcasts.
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Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Everybody moves back into the light, even if it takes them a minute.
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
This is episode 116. The title is Antigloria, and you're listening to Otherworld. Otherworld Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science you can't argue with.
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
All right. We'll be right back after this quick break. This show is sponsored by Liquid IV. This is very funny timing because I literally just walked to the store and bought a Liquid IV about five minutes ago. I drink these all the time. Liquid IV is basically a little packet of hydrating powder that you put into a 16-ounce bottle of water.
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
And I genuinely feel like a different person 30 minutes later. It kind of replenishes me, recharges and brings me back to life. Sometimes when I charge my phone, I find myself thinking, man, that must feel really good if you're a phone. I think liquid IV is the closest thing to that feeling for me. Treat yourself to extraordinary hydration from liquid IV.
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
It seems like things that a two-year-old wouldn't comprehend to say on their own. Like the intricacies of baking.
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
Interesting. So this room now, this secret room that they had, is now behind a bunch of drywall, essentially?
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
Does he... And did he say... if he has any idea what might be hidden back there?
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
So have you gotten into the walls? Have you gone in yourself? Have you busted him open?
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
You sent me a picture of this. It looked like you cut a little hole and inside of that was like a small room. Like there might still be a room beyond that area that you cut into. Yeah.
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It was just like a little gap almost. It was like a gap in the drywall really.
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I mean, I don't want to encourage you to demolish part of your house, Grace, but I'm really curious what's in this secret room. Do you have any plans on going deeper one day?
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Yeah. Did you talk to... this carpenter about Gloria's haunting the house. She was afraid to go up and down the stairs. You were having a lot of experiences near the stairs. What did you think of all of this, the haunting?
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Full of spirits. Did you tell him about your kid seeing Auntie Gloria or talking to her?
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Interesting. Well, have you had any other spooky experiences in your house ever since then? Has Auntie Gloria come back?
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Oh, well, I guess we have to end this on a bit of a question mark. There's a lot of question marks with this whole story, Grace, but I guess this is ongoing.
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Well, maybe one day you'll be back for another episode. But for your sake, I hope that is not the case. Hopefully nothing scary happens for a while.
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You get to have peace in your home. Thanks, Jack. Keep me posted on if anything changes.
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
Okay, thank you so much to Grace for sharing her story. Maybe she will be back again in the future with some updates. If that is the case, I hope that they're only good updates. You know, real-life haunted houses are not as easy to investigate and solve as they are in the movies, even though, in many ways, Grace's house does sound straight out of a horror movie. I mean...
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
It literally came with a box of ancient objects. However, real life mysteries are always more complicated. In fact, it seems like Grace's house probably has many mysteries happening all at once. I highly doubt it's just one thing. Grace told me that she heard Auntie Gloria herself thought that the house was haunted back when she owned it.
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
And she spent a good amount of time trying to investigate it herself. I have encouraged Grace as much as I ethically can to keep searching for this hidden room. I mean, it's kind of hard to encourage somebody to destroy their own house in search of something like this.
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But I've even suggested maybe infrared cameras or a specific mechanics camera that can peer through small holes, drill-sized holes. I've suggested a lot of ideas. Grace, if you ever do find that hidden room, or if you decide to finally just take a sledgehammer to the drywall and need an extra set of hands, please give me a call. Thank you once again to Grace for sharing her story.
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
This has been episode 116. The title is Antigloria, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by Juice Jackal and North Americans. This episode was edited and engineered by Theo Schaefer. Our artwork is by Coldestack Studios.
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
Nikki Kate Delgado is our associate producer. Production help by Hayley Pearson. Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five-star review, and telling your friends about Otherworld. If you want to hear bonus episodes, you can become a patron at patreon.com slash otherworld. Our social media is at otherworldpod. Thank you to the team at Odyssey, J.D.
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
Crowley, Jenna Weiss-Berman, Leah Reese-Dennis, Rob Morandi, Eric Donnelly, Matt Casey, Maura Curran, Josefina Francis, and Hilary Schuff. Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. And finally, if you or somebody you know has experienced something paranormal, supernatural, or unexplained,
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Wait, wait. So you mentioned that you were arguing with the former homeowner.
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
during negotiations you didn't mention what but i'm very curious about the fact that you didn't argue with her about finding a skull or this box of relics in the basement like you didn't argue about that like what were what were you arguing about what there was a couple there was no heat in one of the rooms upstairs like there was no baseboard heat
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
Look, it takes quite a long time to make some of these episodes. It's just the way it is. The story comes from a woman named Grace, and it all began when she bought her dream home in Connecticut, a very, very old house with a lot of history. Shortly after moving in, she began uncovering fascinating details about its past, and as you might expect, some very unusual things started happening to her.
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Episode 116: Auntie Gloria
Welcome to Otherworld, I'm your host, Jack Wagner. But it was also only a few episodes into Otherworld even existing. Apparently this person must have been listening on Halloween and got inspired. Either way, we didn't end up actually doing the interview until quite a long time after that. And a lot more time has gone by since that interview.
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I think most people would have been scared off by this type of stuff, but Grace is a very curious person and seems to have always been motivated to look for answers, even when the question was very frightening. And to me, Grace's curiosity is what makes this story so interesting. This episode is essentially the story of Grace, her family, and the many ongoing mysteries of this house.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
So after speaking to Emerson, I wanted to speak to a biologist or wolf researcher in the area to ask some simple questions about whether or not an animal like that might be in the area and whether wolves are known to get up on their hind legs. If so, how often do they do that and how long do they stay up on their hind legs?
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
After all, Emerson's story is very strange, but it's really just the story of a wolf doing something really unusual. It's not like this is something that defies the laws of nature or physics or anything like that. It's essentially just a wolf being really weird. So we began reaching out to many different experts in Michigan and the surrounding states.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
I honestly figure that this would not be hard. It typically isn't hard. Our show has a very good reputation, if you don't mind me complimenting myself. I always say that we're the most normal paranormal show ever. But to my surprise, people were really not interested in talking about anything related to the Michigan Dog Man.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
Something that I think is noteworthy about Emerson and maybe a little funny is that not only did he tell me that he has always been a hardcore skeptic, he also told me that he was once a very active member in the online skeptic community. Despite this, he ended up having A very strange experience while walking in the woods one day with an ex-girlfriend.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
And some of the emails telling us that they weren't interested were not exactly friendly. What I did find out from some people that we spoke to off the record and from DNR studies is that there are no known wolves at all anywhere near where Emerson was in Bloomingdale, Michigan, which I find really interesting. Like I said, though, nobody wanted to talk to me about the dog man.
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or anything remotely similar. And I began to suspect that the reason for that had a lot to do with what Emerson told me about the radio DJ who made the Dogman famous. By the way, the song itself is wild. I'm going to play a little sample of it right now.
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It seems to me that because of this song, many people out there believe that everything relating to the Dogman is completely made up by those DJs, including the sightings that people have had. You know, I think the hardest part about engaging with the paranormal, no matter what side of it you're on, is the instinct to engage with it in black and white terms.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
Everything must be either real or completely fake. My position since the very beginning of Otherworld is that it's entirely possible that 95% of of all paranormal experiences could have a rational explanation. But even if 5% of those are real, that's a huge number, a number that should not be ignored.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
Of course, on the other side of things, you don't want to be one of those people that instantly believes everything. But for me, I'm fascinated by the gray area of the paranormal. And for that reason, I'm the Michigan Dog Man situation really interests me.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
So at this point, there was really only one person that I wanted to talk to, and that was the man who apparently started it all nearly 30 years ago in 1987, Steve Cook. I wanted to learn the real story behind this song, how much of it was a hoax, and what exactly Steve believes himself after all these years.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
So I want to hear the story of this whole April Fool's joke. Can you can you tell me a little bit about that and like how all of this came to be?
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
What was the inspiration for the song? Like why, why did you decide to do something about a dog man?
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
So you guys put this out on the radio. Was there any explanation or context that you guys gave before playing this song?
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
So even though you are certainly responsible for the Michigan Dogman craze in many ways, it seems like you do believe that there is something very real going on in a way. At least you believe these people. Are there any other individuals that you met whose story still sticks with you and makes your skepticism waver a bit?
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
Yeah, you know the guy. It's different. Right. Yeah.
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So to me, this is interesting because on one hand, you created this hoax. But on the other hand, you certainly didn't create people seeing strange wolf slash dog-like things.
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things that they can't explain like that's not new that's really old and it's been going on all over the world so i've encountered a lot of people chalk up this entire thing to you and i as a result had a very difficult time speaking to any wolf experts in michigan uh thanks to you but
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
So on one hand, the myth you created, this hoax, got out of control and ran wild, had a life on its own. But I also think there's a secondary meta myth, sort of, that you completely created this and that every sighting happened after the fact and that it was all these people who just imagined they're seeing something that they heard on the radio. When in reality...
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It sounds like most of these things happened before and were happening long ago.
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Well, Steve, thank you so much for speaking to me. This has been really interesting. If you have any other hoaxes planned, please give me a heads up. It might be helpful.
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I'm sure. Any other paranormal ones I need to know about?
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Steve, thank you once again for speaking with me. If I make any major discoveries, I'll be sure to let you know.
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You bet. It was fun. All right, Steve. Have a good one. It was nice to meet you.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
So yeah, Steve definitely did quite a bit of hoaxing when it comes to the Michigan Dog Man. But at the same time, that doesn't mean that all of these people who experienced something strange out there are just imagining it because Steve made a song on the radio, especially not the people who experienced it long before.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
And in the case of Emerson, he didn't know about the Michigan Dog Man until he went online to look up what in the world happened to him when he was out in the woods on that day.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
I think the dogman situation is a great example of why you should be extremely vigilant and critical about what you choose to believe, but I also think it's unwise to disregard everything related to a topic just because some of it is fake. I think it's natural to want to put a binary label on things like this, but unfortunately...
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
When it comes to the paranormal, I just don't think that's how this works. This is really not a binary subject. It's very messy. In the next episode, we will be hearing from another person from Michigan who had an encounter with a weird wolf slash dog-like creature. But this one is quite different than what Emerson experienced, and it's quite different than Steve's description of the Dogman.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
Thank you once again to Emerson and Steve Cook for speaking to me. Also, congratulations to Emerson. He actually became a father during the time we are working on this episode. Congratulations. This has been episode 113. Stay tuned for part two of this series. This has been The Michigan Dogman, part one, and you've been listening to Otherworld.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by Juice Jackal and North Americans. This episode was edited and engineered by Theo Schaefer. Our artwork is by Cul-De-Sac Studios. Nikki Kate Delgado is our associate producer. Production help by Hayley Pearson.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
Crowley, Jenna Weiss-Berman, Leah Reese-Dennis, Rob Morandi, Eric Donnelly, Matt Casey, Maura Curran, Josefina Francis, and Hilary Schuff. Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
And finally, if you or somebody you know has experienced something paranormal, supernatural, or unexplained, you could send us your story at stories at otherworldpod.com.
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Episode 113: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 1
Welcome to Otherworld, I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This story comes in from a guy named Emerson, and it takes place in a small town called Bloomingdale, Michigan.
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an experience that he couldn't quite rationalize no matter how many times he tried, and he still struggles with it to this day despite many attempts at explaining it. Emerson's story is actually quite a simple one, but it ended up sending me down quite a rabbit hole. This is episode 113. The title is The Michigan Dogman Part One, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby?
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Yes, it is. At its core, the science, you can't argue with.
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Interview with Elijah Wood and Daniel Noah
Hey, it's Morgan Absher. And I'm Kaylin Moore. And we're the hosts of the Crime House original podcast, Clues. Every Wednesday, we sneak past the crime scene tape and open a new case file for some of the most gripping true crime cases.
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Interview with Elijah Wood and Daniel Noah
While Kaylin pieces together the timelines and breaks down the hard facts of these cases, I'll be diving into the theories and pulling at the threads that may or may not add up. From serial killers to shocking murders, Clues dives into all the forensic details and brilliant sleuthing that went into the world's most infamous cases.
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Interview with Elijah Wood and Daniel Noah
These clues shine a light on stories that have been waiting, sometimes for decades, to finally be heard. So join us as we open a case and uncover the breakthroughs, the heartbreak, and the relentless pursuit of answers behind these unforgettable investigations.
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Interview with Elijah Wood and Daniel Noah
Follow and listen to Clues, an Odyssey podcast in partnership with Crime House, available now on the free Odyssey app and wherever you get your podcasts.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Mit deinem Auto, war es etwas anderes, als du dich aufgewacht hast? Wie war der Gas-Tank voll? War es leer? Hat es dir zu dem Zeitpunkt Sinn gemacht?
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Did they feel like you've been wearing them for three days? Did you feel like your hair? Did it seem dirty? You know how clothes start to feel after you've worn them too long?
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Hattest du jemals Schmerzen davor? Hattest du einen Schmerz am Kopf? Nein. War da irgendein extremer mentaler Stress auf dich?
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Wait, so the GPS, you explained that like if it turns off, the GPS... Yeah, it'll give you a timeline of location. So seeing the GPS, what did it indicate to you?
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Did you check it after? Was it working once she got back? It seemed like it, yeah. That's interesting. The GPS is really interesting because it's like, if she parked and turned the car off...
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Ich frage mich, wie lange es dauern würde, um einen Tank von Gas zu verändern.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Ich glaube, letztlich... Ich möchte wissen, habt ihr irgendwelche Theorien darüber?
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Willkommen bei Otherworld. Ich bin euer Host, Jack Wagner. Diese Geschichte kommt von einer Frau namens Leigh, die in Florida wohnt. Und es geht um etwas sehr seltsames, was ihr an einer Nacht passiert ist, als sie auf einer Mission war, um ihre vermissene Katze zu finden.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Okay, vielen Dank, Lee, für diese Geschichte zu teilen. Das ist nur ein wirklich seltsames, offenes Event, das ihnen während einer sehr mühsamen Zeit passiert ist, als sie sich bewegen. Weißt du, in der Beschreibung von Otherworld sagt es, dass wir Geschichten über das Paranormale, Supernaturale und Unerklärte besprechen. Dieser fällt sicher in die unerklärte Kategorie.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Und mit so vielen Mysterien wie diesem, kannst du ein Label aufnehmen und weitergehen. Du könntest sagen, es ist wahrscheinlich ein Fugestand oder ein dissociierter Episode, als bester Wunsch. Aber es antwortet wirklich nicht an die großen Fragen, wie... Wo hätte sie all diese Zeit gewesen? Wie hat niemand an der Gasstation sie gesehen?
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Warum war sie nicht da, als ihr Mann sie an der Gasstation angeschaut hat? Warum hat der GPS-Tracker sie all die Zeit an der Gasstation gezeigt? Drei Tage sind eine sehr lange Zeit. Dissoziative Fugs werden so oft als Plot-Device in Filmen und TV-Shows benutzt, I'm sure you've seen a movie where somebody wakes up not knowing who they are, how they got there, etc.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
In reality, these are extremely rare events. There are probably more instances of this happening in fiction than in real life. And when they do occur in real life, the person often wakes up, so to speak, und sieht deutlich Beweise der Zeit, die sie gerade in der Fugue verbracht haben, die Zeit, die sie nicht erinnern können.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Sie sind oft irgendwo neu, sie haben Dinge gekauft, sie haben Dinge gemacht, die Leute haben sie gesehen. Das seltsame an dem, was zu Lee passiert ist, ist, dass sie gerade dort wuchs, wo sie vorher war, an einem Zeitpunkt, der perfekte Sinn gemacht hat, und nichts scheint geändert oder aus dem Ort zu kommen, obwohl es wahrscheinlich drei Tage später war.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
So, maybe something paranormal did happen to Lee. Maybe there's a logical explanation, like memory loss or dissociative fugue. Or maybe something paranormal happened to her that induced the fugue. Something that she can't remember. I'm not sure, and neither is she.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Letztendlich, ich hasse es, das zu berichten, aber Lee hat mir gesagt, dass sie niemals ihre Katze, John Mjalkovic, zurücksteuern konnte. Ich habe wirklich gehofft, dass das ein glückliches Ende ist. Ich dachte, es wäre ein guter Weg, diesen Episode zu beenden, aber es scheint, dass er noch mit einem Nachbarn lebt. Aber sie hat eine neue Katze bekommen, und diese Katze heißt Alistair Miaoli.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Thank you once again to Leigh and her husband. This has been episode 119. The title is Catnap. And you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by Juice Jackal and North Americans. This episode was edited by myself and engineered by Theo Schaefer.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Our artwork is by Coldestack Studios. Our associate producers are Nikki Kate Delgado and Hayley Pearson. Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a 5-star review and telling your friends about Otherworld. If you want to hear bonus episodes, you can become a patron at patreon.com slash otherworld. Our social media is at otherworldpod. Thank you to the team at Odyssey, J.D.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Crowley, Jenna Weiss-Berman, Leah Reese Dennis, Rob Morandi, Eric Donnelly, Matt Casey, Maura Curran, Josefina Francis and Hilary Schuff. Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Sie wird das viel besser als ich erklären, aber an der Zeit waren sie und ihre Familie in der Prozesse, in Atlanta zu gehen, um ihr Manns Arbeit zu machen. He was already up there preparing the new house while Lee and the kids were staying at her mother's house, who lives not far away from their old house in Florida, which they had just sold.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Lee was pretty much ready to move, except she had one thing left to do before leaving, which was hopefully get back home. Diesen vermissten Katzen. Welcher, übrigens, hat einen sehr einzigartigen Namen, den du nie erwarten wirst, auch wenn ich dir 1.000 Mal gesagt habe. Ich habe angefangen zu lachen in der Interview, als sie es mir gesagt hat.
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Episode 119: Cat Nap
Lee hat eine wirklich großartige Persönlichkeit und erweist so viel zu dieser bereits seltsamen Geschichte für mich. Ich werde sie von hier aus nehmen. Dies ist Episode 119. Der Titel ist Katnap und ihr hört von Otherworld. Everybody moves back into the light, even if it takes them a minute.
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Episode 110: Never Ending Road
Willkommen bei Otherworld. Ich bin euer Host, Jack Wagner.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
This is our experience with Don McKinney, the George Van Tassel archive, hundreds of reel-to-reel tapes, and many, many stray desert cats. This is a short preview of a full Patreon episode. If you want to hear the entire thing, it's available at patreon.com slash otherworld. You're listening to the Otherworld Patreon. By the way, I should just say right away, Don is awesome.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
First reaction is that Don is super sick. I love meeting a true eccentric, like a real eccentric guy, and he definitely is. He took us around his house. He has many crafts and hobbies that he participates in, and it's very evident in the home. His house is decorated with really ornate woodwork that I think he did, and also leather work.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
He does both of those, kind of carving Celtic designs into leather work, belts, things like that. But he has... like ceiling support beams that he carved in his home.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
It did look like a boat to some extent. And then his, his wife, Dale, who you will eventually meet in the recording is like this amazing painter, but also into spooky stuff. She showed us a photo of a leprechaun. She took, I think it was a painting, a painting of a photo of a leprechaun.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
Oh yeah, she knew who Eddie Lenahan was. I name-dropped Eddie Lenahan on her, and I think I earned a lot of respect in that moment, which was really cool to be able to name-drop Eddie Lenahan. Yeah, Dale was great. Don's memory is not super strong. All the things that Don couldn't remember, she would remember. So anyway, we recorded most of our interaction there.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
Go ahead and listen to that right now. This is us pulling up to the house and meeting Don for the very first time. Hey, how's it going? I'm Jack. Nice to officially meet you. We've been talking.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
Ever since I first started the Patreon for Otherworld, I've always hoped that we could be doing more with this show than just telling spooky stories. And when I first met Don, I thought that maybe this could be a great way that we could use the resources of the show to not only help out Don, but also help preserve this incredible history.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
I just really didn't like the idea of all this history sitting out there in the desert without it being fully backed up. So I flew out both of the Theos. We rented some equipment to professionally scan the negatives and photos, as well as what we needed to digitize the reel-to-reel tapes, and we headed out to meet Don.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
Welcome to the Otherworld Patreon. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. As you heard at the end of the recent episode, my interest in the Integratron ended up sending myself, Theo Schaefer, and Theo Krantz on an unexpected mission to meet this guy Don McKinney out in the desert and help him out digitizing and organizing his archive of George Van Tassel's belongings.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
This was really something we were just doing for the sake of it, but we recorded an episode right after we got back about the experiences we had out in the desert. We also play some clips from Don's archive in this episode. Additionally, I'll be posting a little mini-documentary that I filmed with Don while I was out there if you're interested.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
All right, that brings us to the end of this preview. If you want to hear the full episode about our adventure into the desert and the ongoing mission to help Don and Dale McKinney preserve their archive, the episode is out now on Patreon. I also filmed a short little documentary of Don giving a tour of his collection and his house. That is also available on Patreon right now.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
I also wanna give a major thank you to our patrons for enabling us to do this type of thing. I've always wanted to do more with Otherworld than just tell spooky stories. And I'm really so happy that we can use the resources of the show to help preserve this huge chunk of history like we're doing. So thank you to all the patrons who contribute to the show.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
If you want to show us your support as well, you could join at patreon.com slash otherworld. I'm going to play you out with a song that we found on one of the tapes. Don's archive is really so huge, we're just barely scratching the surface of it still. But this recording is apparently a composition written by George Van Tassel and performed by a full band led by Arthur Mancini.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
I also found the original sheet music that was written by George. The song is called There I Am. Once again, patreon.com slash otherworld. I'll be keeping everyone posted as we get updates on this ongoing project.
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Under the Giant Rock: The George Van Tassel Archive [Patreon Preview]
So in this episode, you'll be hearing myself, Theo Schaefer, and Theo Krantz discuss our experience going out to meet Don. I want to thank all of you for being patrons of the show and enabling us to do stuff like this. I also want to thank... Theo and Theo for coming out with me on this strange journey.
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Episode 103: The Reader Pt. 1
This episode is sponsored by 5-Hour Energy. 5-Hour Energy has a new flavor out. It's called Spicy Cinco de Mango. Yes, a spicy 5-Hour Energy shot, and it's only available at 5hourenergy.com. They just sent me a case of this stuff to try. I popped open a bottle, gave it a little taste test. It is legitimately spicy, also a little sweet, but mainly spicy, which is a very unique flavor palette.
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And honestly, the reason I started the show in the first place was in hopes of getting stories like this one. I spent a good amount of time getting to know Jennifer this year, talking to her on the phone, on and off about this whole thing. She is a very normal lady who really just had this one extremely abnormal saga take place in her life a very long time ago and then nothing similar ever again.
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Episode 103: The Reader Pt. 1
It's been very fascinating being able to revisit these memories alongside of her over the last year. Anonymity was very important to Jennifer. For that reason, we have changed some names and minor details of the story to protect everyone's identity. Let's get this episode started. I think you're all going to enjoy this just as much as I did. This is episode 103.
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Episode 103: The Reader Pt. 1
All right, we have to go to a break, but we'll be right back with the rest of the episode.
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Episode 103: The Reader Pt. 1
The title is The Reader, Part 1, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science, you can't argue with.
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Episode 103: The Reader Pt. 1
When it comes to 5-Hour Energies, I'd say by far the most unique flavor they have put out. And I consider myself to be a connoisseur. I already was a 5-Hour Energy connoisseur before, but now I have a ton of it in my office thanks to the fine folks at 5-Hour Energy. So I'm set for a while. Honestly...
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All right, that brings us to the end of part one. We'll be back with the rest of Jennifer's story in part two. I'm sure you understand by now why I was so blown away by this. It's such a wild story. And maybe the wildest part for me is that Jennifer still has so many of the original papers where all of this communication took place.
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It's been completely surreal to have seen these with my own eyes and read the conversations of these two going back and forth. Most of them start out as a normal classroom assignment, answering questions on a worksheet or something like that, and then suddenly it'll take a sharp turn.
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Another fascinating element of making these episodes for me was that sometimes Jennifer would find a folder of old papers in a box that she forgot about, and it would remind her of even more details from back then. One thing that I went over again and again with Jennifer on was how the typing worked. And I just want to point this out.
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Jennifer says that she would help Jamie lift her arm up to the keyboard. But then after that, she would be typing completely on her own. Jamie would be typing this unassisted with her fingers. I think that's a very important detail to point out. Something I want to make very clear. Jamie was typing this stuff on her own. This story is not over.
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Episode 103: The Reader Pt. 1
We'll be back in part two with the rest of Jennifer's story. This has been episode 103. The title is The Reader, part one. And you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by North Americans. This episode was edited by Theo Krantz and engineered by Theo Schaefer.
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Episode 103: The Reader Pt. 1
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Episode 103: The Reader Pt. 1
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Episode 103: The Reader Pt. 1
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Episode 103: The Reader Pt. 1
I have at least 750 hours worth of energy on my shelf right now if you added up all these bottles. So get energized and spicy. 5-Hour Energy Spicy Cinco de Mango Shot is here for you. 5-Hour Energy Spicy Cinco de Mango is only available online for a limited time. Head to 5hourenergy.com to get yours today. Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner.
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Episode 103: The Reader Pt. 1
All right, I just want to jump in and say, I asked Jennifer over and over again about how this typing worked because there are similar techniques used in the past with a keyboard, including something called facilitated communication that have been widely discredited as pseudoscience.
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Episode 103: The Reader Pt. 1
The episode you're about to hear is one that I've been working on for quite a long time, and it's one that I'm very excited about. It comes from a woman named Jennifer, and it took place about two decades ago when she was a young teacher starting out at a new school in Georgia. It's one of those stories that, after I heard it, I couldn't stop thinking about.
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Episode 103: The Reader Pt. 1
When I asked her about this, Jennifer insists that this was not facilitated communication and that Jamie typed on her own unguided. Jennifer even explained that she would often not even be watching Jamie while she typed. Jamie would just do her schoolwork on her own. This is such a strange story, but I wanted to be clear and acknowledge that. Let's get back to the episode.
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Episode 115: The Mirror Realm
All right, we have to take a quick break, but we'll be right back with the rest of the story.
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Episode 115: The Mirror Realm
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for watching.
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Episode 115: The Mirror Realm
When this happened to Alexandra, she was working in a bookstore and spending much of her free time making quilts, which she told me is a very long process. One day, Alexandra was deep in a quilting project, and she was dreading the fact that she had to work later on that day at the bookstore. She was scheduled to work at a specific event.
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Episode 115: The Mirror Realm
When she finally pulled herself away from the quilting project and headed off to work, things took a very strange turn. I am very excited about this episode. This is a very unique story, one that is not like anything I've heard before. The stories that defy categorization are always my favorite. This is episode 115. The title is The Mirror Realm, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello?
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Episode 115: The Mirror Realm
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This story comes from a woman named Alexandra, and it takes place not too far from where we record this podcast here in Los Angeles. Well, at least part of her story does. The other part of her story, we're not too sure where it takes place. You'll understand what I mean when you hear this story yourself.
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Episode 107: The Expedition
This episode is sponsored by 5-Hour Energy. 5-Hour Energy has a new flavor out. It's called Spicy Cinco de Mango. Yes, a spicy 5-Hour Energy shot, and it's only available at 5hourenergy.com. They just sent me a case of this stuff to try. I popped open a bottle, gave it a little taste test. It is legitimately spicy, also a little sweet, but mainly spicy, which is a very unique flavor palette.
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Episode 107: The Expedition
I was face-to-face talking to a guy who was just like me, looking me dead in the eye, telling me about seeing Sasquatch. And all of a sudden, I didn't have a way of ignoring it or writing him off. And he seemed just as amazed as me explaining it. You know... There are so many TV shows about Bigfoot. I'm sure everyone's seen one of those things.
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Episode 107: The Expedition
They're always called like Bigfoot Discovered or Sasquatch Secrets Unlocked. The first episode always starts off promising that this crack team of experts is going to finally get to the bottom of the big Sasquatch mystery. And then by the end, it's always like, whoops, no luck this time. We'll have to try again next season.
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And on those shows, of course, the people reporting Bigfoot sightings are exactly the type you would expect. Like a big, burly outdoorsman type. No disrespect. People who obsessively look for Bigfoot and hope to see it. Just kind of the exact person you would expect to be reporting a Bigfoot sighting.
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And I think sometimes stuff like that can make the average person easily write off Sasquatch as a whole. But the thing is, tons of people have seen Bigfoot. All sorts of people. And oftentimes, it's not when they're out looking for it.
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I personally love stories like this because I'm so fascinated by the idea of somebody going through an otherwise random day of their life and then suddenly seeing this shocking, inexplicable creature that they've always assumed was just made up. This episode is one of those types of stories. It's somebody who had an encounter under very unexpected circumstances.
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Episode 107: The Expedition
In this case, it's about a group of teenagers in Texas around 2008 who, for whatever reason, decided that on this particular evening, they're going to dress up in emo clothing as a joke, go out and take some photos for MySpace, and then get some late night food. But then on the way back, well, I think it's kind of obvious
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what they end up seeing, but it sort of wraps them up into a bit of a saga that I don't think any of them expected they would ever be involved in. This episode is called The Expedition, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science, you can't argue with.
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Episode 107: The Expedition
When it comes to 5-Hour Energies, I'd say by far the most unique flavor they have put out. And I consider myself to be a connoisseur. I already was a 5-Hour Energy connoisseur before, but now I have a ton of it in my office thanks to the fine folks at 5-Hour Energy. So I'm set for a while. Honestly...
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Episode 107: The Expedition
No Troy's name. What are the chances we could track these guys down?
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Google search. I was kind of looking for him. Look up Troy Hudson Bigfoot and like Google Images and see if you.
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What do you guys remember of that actual visit? And was this a remarkable one?
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This is interesting to me. I mean, this sounds like a really wild night where you guys were like doing these calls and they're like responding to you. Is that a common thing with your expeditions or was this unique?
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What were the first things you noticed when you started looking around this property? Like what are the types of things you look for and what did this place have?
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She mentioned there were a couple things about her situation that seemed to stand out to you guys. One was that she reported this thing had a beard. And you said that most people don't mention that, but it's apparently a thing. And then she also talked about these arched trees that you guys were seeing. Can you talk to me about those things and what are some other...
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signs that sort of indicate to you that this is something serious and not like rumors, you know?
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They have children, they have a language, so... Let me ask you guys a big and very obvious question, or what might be an obvious one to you, but what do you think these are? Do you view this as a physical... being that is yet to be discovered? Do you think of this as something, uh, like interdimensional or other worldly? Is it something spiritual?
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Like what, based on your own personal experiences and research, like what do you suspect Bigfoot is and Sasquatches?
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Hmm. That is interesting. Troy, I suspect you are a native liaison right now. I suspect you might have differing theories.
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Well, on that note, where should people reach out to if they do see something?
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Episode 107: The Expedition
Excellent. And of course, if people see something, they should also email me as well to tell the story. Email me first and I will connect them to everybody else. It's the easiest way to do it.
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Episode 107: The Expedition
All right, thank you so much to Kate, Troy, and Gerald for all speaking to me for this story. My conversation with Troy and Gerald was very brief because they're both so busy, but I 100% need to get these guys back on for another conversation about Bigfoot and all their adventures. I had so many more questions to ask these two.
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They probably deserve their own episode, and I'm sure if they're down, that will happen in the future. I think my favorite part about this one is all the little absurdities mixed into the story. I really like the idea of Kate and her friends dressing up as emos. for whatever reason, and then going to Denny's, and then all of this happening to them.
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Episode 107: The Expedition
Suddenly, there are these guys on their land with equipment doing this terrifying Bigfoot expedition in Kate's backyard, and then, of course, doing some kind of crawfish boil. Something about the image of these dorky teenagers and the burly Bigfoot experts sitting down to share a huge outdoor seafood dinner is very funny and beautiful to me.
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The only thing I didn't love about this story is the fact that Kate claims she can't find those photos that her and her friends took dressed up in the emo outfits before all of this happened. Part of me wonders if she's just... trying to hide them, which would be very understandable. I would probably be doing the same exact thing. That brings us to the end of this episode.
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Episode 107: The Expedition
The title was The Expedition, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by Juice Jackal and North Americans. This episode was edited by Theo Krantz and engineered by Theo Schaefer. Our artwork is by Cul-De-Sac Studios. Nikki Kate Delgado is our associate producer.
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Episode 107: The Expedition
Production help by Hayley Pearson. Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five-star review, and telling your friends about Otherworld. If you want to hear bonus episodes, you can become a patron at patreon.com slash otherworld. Our social media is at otherworldpod. Thank you to the team at Odyssey, J.D.
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Episode 107: The Expedition
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Episode 107: The Expedition
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Episode 107: The Expedition
I have at least 750 hours worth of energy on my shelf right now if you added up all these bottles. So get energized and spicy. 5-Hour Energy Spicy Cinco de Mango Shot is here for you. 5-Hour Energy Spicy Cinco de Mango is only available online for a limited time. Head to 5hourenergy.com to get yours today. Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner.
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Episode 107: The Expedition
One of the first times a person told me a paranormal story that really gave me pause was from a guy who was around my age, very similar to me, and he saw Bigfoot on a completely random night while he was driving home. Obviously, I've heard all sorts of things about Bigfoot and Sasquatch throughout my life. I don't think I took it very seriously, though, until suddenly...
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Episode 118: Lucy and Lauren
All right, thank you so much to Lucy for sharing her story. This has been episode 118. The title is Lucy and Lauren, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by Juice Jackal and North Americans. This episode was edited by myself and engineered by Theo Schaefer.
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Episode 118: Lucy and Lauren
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Episode 118: Lucy and Lauren
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Episode 118: Lucy and Lauren
I told Lucy, hey, take your time, think about it. If you decide you do want to do it, we'll be ready whenever you are. And of course, eventually, she did reach out and say that she was ready to finally be interviewed. I often find myself explaining to people that not every episode of this show is scary. Some of these stories are uplifting, funny, or heartwarming. And sometimes...
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Episode 118: Lucy and Lauren
The paranormal aspect of the story emerges in the middle of a much broader story about people's lives. And that paranormal aspect impacts the way people relate to each other, no matter what you believe about this type of stuff. These are my favorite kinds of stories, and I think this episode is a perfect example of that. This is episode 118.
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Episode 118: Lucy and Lauren
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. You know, I wasn't sure if we'd ever be able to record this interview. It comes from a woman named Lucy who reached out to share her story but expressed hesitation from the very beginning, mainly because of how sensitive the story is to her family, with whom she already has a very complicated relationship.
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Episode 118: Lucy and Lauren
The title is Lucy and Lauren, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science, you can't argue with.
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
This episode is sponsored by 5-Hour Energy. 5-Hour Energy has a new flavor out. It's called Spicy Cinco de Mango. Yes, a spicy 5-Hour Energy shot, and it's only available at 5hourenergy.com. They just sent me a case of this stuff to try. I popped open a bottle, gave it a little taste test. It is legitimately spicy, also a little sweet, but mainly spicy, which is a very unique flavor palette.
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
with a job or a random gig that is somewhat creative You kind of just go for it, no matter what it is. And that's exactly what happened to Maggie. Somebody reached out to her asking Maggie to conduct a seance at a party they were hosting. She told this person, thank you, but I'm not a psychic or a medium. I don't know how to conduct a seance. And they said, it's okay.
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
You can just pretend, fake it. Also, I'm going to be paying you $250 for this. So Maggie did exactly what I would have done in that situation and said, you've got yourself a psychic. So that's where this story starts off. A very unusual fake it until you make it example. But, of course, it gets a lot weirder from there. I'll let Maggie tell you the rest of the story. This is episode 109.
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
The title is The Fake Seance, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science, you can't argue with.
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
Oh my God. Is this like a conversation that would be normal to you at this time?
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
When it comes to 5-Hour Energies, I'd say by far the most unique flavor they have put out. And I consider myself to be a connoisseur. I already was a 5-Hour Energy connoisseur before, but now I have a ton of it in my office thanks to the fine folks at 5-Hour Energy. So I'm set for a while. Honestly...
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
Okay, thank you so much to Maggie for sharing that story. You know, sometimes you're listening to a story and thinking, this cannot get any weirder, and then all of a sudden, a man shows up with a goat's head in a bag and proves you wrong. This was certainly one of those stories, but...
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It is a very great one, and my favorite type of story, if you couldn't tell by now, I really like stories where something extremely strange happens to somebody completely out of nowhere. This is one of those examples. Maggie was going into this actively trying to fake a seance for money, and then all of this happens, which, by the way, in hindsight, I have to say...
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
The $250 was probably not worth it. It seemed like easy money at the time. And I'm pretty sure Maggie ended up having to do a lot of work for that $250. She went through quite a bit after it was all said and done. Either way, I'm very glad to hear that it's all over and that Maggie's doing well. Thank you once again, Maggie, for sharing this story. This has been episode 109.
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
The title is The Fake Seance, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by Juice Jackal and North Americans. This episode was edited by Theo Krantz and engineered by Theo Schaefer. Our artwork is by Coldestack Studios. Nikki Kate Delgado is our associate producer.
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
Production help by Haley Pearson. Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five-star review, and telling your friends about Otherworld. If you want to hear bonus episodes, you can become a patron at patreon.com slash otherworld. Our social media is at otherworldpod. Thank you to the team at Odyssey, J.D.
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
Crowley, Jenna Weiss-Berman, Leah Reese-Dennis, Rob Morandi, Eric Donnelly, Matt Casey, Maura Curran, Josefina Francis, and Hilary Schuff. Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
And finally, if you or somebody you know has experienced something paranormal, supernatural or unexplained, you could send us your story at storiesatotherworldpod.com.
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
I have at least 750 hours worth of energy on my shelf right now if you added up all these bottles. So get energized and spicy. 5-Hour Energy Spicy Cinco de Mango Shot is here for you. 5-Hour Energy Spicy Cinco de Mango is only available online for a limited time. Head to 5hourenergy.com to get yours today. Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner.
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
The story you're about to hear is one that kind of hooked me on the premise alone when I first got the email. It's about a person named Maggie, who at the time was 25 and living in her grandma's basement in Denver, Colorado.
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Episode 109: The Fake Seance
At this time, Maggie is mostly hanging out with her friends who are a bunch of artists that live in a huge house together and trying to figure out a way to make a living creatively, which can be very hard, especially when you're young. I know that firsthand. I was in that position myself for quite some time. And when you're in that position, pretty much any time somebody hits you up,
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Episode 122: Hum Over Ojai
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Episode 122: Hum Over Ojai
All right, thank you to David for sharing his experience. I mentioned in the intro that I first met David and heard this story a while ago. And when he first told me about it, I had never heard somebody attempt to describe hearing a completely new type of sound. I was amazed and horrified trying to imagine the feeling firsthand. of not only hearing this sound in your ears, but also in your body.
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Episode 122: Hum Over Ojai
The feeling of it resonating and reverberating throughout you. It helped that David is a musician and can recognize and describe the specific aspects of this sound and what made it so unique. You know, eventually I ended up interviewing somebody with a somewhat similar experience in an episode you've probably heard.
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called Sawyer River Road, but at the time I spoke to David, I had never heard somebody describe something like this, and I thought it was so interesting. David's experience is quite different than the one in Sawyer River Road, especially because him and his friends also saw this craft up in the sky. However, what made me most fascinated by the story
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was that David eventually ends up being taken to this sound bath years later by his girlfriend at the time. And he hears this certain frequency that gives him flashbacks to the terrifying experience he had as a teenager. He told me that it was the first time he had heard a sound similar to this. And then after the sound bath, he learns that this place that they were at, the Integratron,
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Episode 122: Hum Over Ojai
is no ordinary building. It's a structure that was meticulously crafted by an aviation engineer named George Van Tassel, who claimed to have been given the plans for the building by an extraterrestrial. It turns out the Integratron was actually intended to be more of a machine than it was a building, even though it's now currently used to do these sound baths and other events.
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I wanted to learn more about this, so I set out to do exactly that. And in the next episode, I will be speaking to historian Daniel Paul about the Integratron and the life of George Van Tassel. I am so glad that I met Daniel. It turns out he actually wrote the National Register of Historic Places landmark application for the Integratron and is the expert on this building. Not only that,
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Episode 122: Hum Over Ojai
After my conversation with Daniel, he ended up setting me out on a bit of a side quest related to the life of George Van Tassel. A side quest that is currently ongoing in some ways. You'll be hearing about all of that very soon, so stay tuned for the next episode. For now, that brings us to the end of this one. Thank you once again to David for sharing his experience. This has been episode 122.
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Episode 122: Hum Over Ojai
The title is The Hum Over Ojai, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by North Americans. This episode was edited by Theo Krantz and engineered by Theo Schaefer. Our associate producers are Nikki Kate Delgado and Hayley Pearson.
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Our artwork is by Cul-De-Sac Studios. If you want to hear bonus episodes of Otherworld, you can become a patron at patreon.com slash otherworld. Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five-star review, and telling your friends about the show. Our social media is at Otherworldpod. Thank you to the team at Odyssey.
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Episode 122: Hum Over Ojai
Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. And finally, if you or somebody you know has experienced something paranormal, supernatural, or unexplained, you can send us your story at stories at otherworldpod.com.
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Episode 122: Hum Over Ojai
And I've always wanted to explore certain aspects of his experience in more detail. Eventually, I got the chance to do just that. In fact, after recording this interview, I went down a bit of a rabbit hole for a couple months. on this topic, but I don't want to get ahead of myself with that.
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Episode 122: Hum Over Ojai
David had this experience when he was in high school out in Ojai, California, which is a beautiful place, an excellent place for camping, which is exactly what David and his friends were doing when they ended up encountering something very strange. I don't want to spoil anything, but what stuck out to me with this experience is that
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Episode 122: Hum Over Ojai
I'm used to people talking about seeing things that they can't comprehend. In this case, David not only saw something, he also heard something that he couldn't comprehend. This is episode 122. The title is The Hum Over Ojai, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science, you can't argue with.
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Episode 122: Hum Over Ojai
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This episode centers around a guy named David and an experience he had while camping as a teenager. He's a software engineer and also a musician living in the Bay Area. I met David a while ago, and ever since he first told me this story... I couldn't stop thinking about it.
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Interview with Dr. Bruce Greyson of DOPS
This episode is sponsored by 5-Hour Energy. 5-Hour Energy has a new flavor out. It's called Spicy Cinco de Mango. Yes, a spicy 5-Hour Energy shot, and it's only available at 5hourenergy.com. They just sent me a case of this stuff to try. I popped open a bottle, gave it a little taste test. It is legitimately spicy, also a little sweet, but mainly spicy, which is a very unique flavor palette.
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Interview with Dr. Bruce Greyson of DOPS
Yeah, you're saying that there's no connection between measured brain activity and whether or not a person had an NDE?
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Interview with Dr. Bruce Greyson of DOPS
Based on your research, are near-death experiences something that takes place after actual death, or is it just when people come very close to it? That's something that I've encountered a lot in the stories people have sent in to me, is that some people, it's just when they're close to dying. Some people are after they die, and then some are like a coma situation.
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Interview with Dr. Bruce Greyson of DOPS
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This is an interview that I did with Dr. Bruce Grayson. Dr. Grayson is a pioneer researcher in the study of near-death experiences, also known as NDEs. Dr. Grayson is a professor emeritus of psychiatry and neurobehavioral sciences at the University of Virginia and the former director of the Division of Perceptual Studies, a.k.a. DOPS.
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So what are some situations where a person doesn't actually come very close to dying, but they still have an experience like this? And what do you think... could trigger this happening, I suppose. I know that probably requires you to take some guesses, but I'm fascinated.
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Is this one of the earliest cases that you've come across? That's something I've wondered myself, is how far do these go back? I have to imagine that modern medicine and the advancements of modern medicine are... would enable us to actually notice these more commonly in recent years because people would just end up dying, most likely, in the past.
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Interview with Dr. Bruce Greyson of DOPS
Dr. Grayson's interest in near-death experiences was sparked just months after he graduated from medical school. While working in an emergency room, he treated an unconscious patient who, to his surprise, later recounted an out-of-body experience.
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That's fascinating. Well, you actually started answering one of my next questions, which was the cultural differences between people of different religious backgrounds or where they're from. Are there any other differences you've noticed between cultures?
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Interview with Dr. Bruce Greyson of DOPS
That's fascinating. I mean, I know from your book that there are a lot of examples of this, but when I hear this described, I can imagine skeptical people saying that this is a hallucination at the end of the life, just based on the idyllic version of where a person would want to go, seeing their friends, a kid seeing a dog.
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This encounter profoundly changed his view on the relationship between the mind and the brain and set him on a path to scientifically explore near-death experiences. His journey ultimately led to over 100 publications and medical journals on the subject.
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Interview with Dr. Bruce Greyson of DOPS
What are some of the cases that you've come across that sort of validate for you that this is not just a hallucination? I know there's cases where people have seen things that they couldn't have known.
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Interview with Dr. Bruce Greyson of DOPS
This is so fascinating to me. Is there one that stands out to you as a good example of somebody encountering a person they couldn't have known was dead or something of that nature.
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Interview with Dr. Bruce Greyson of DOPS
Dr. Grayson's extensive research includes the development of the Grayson NDE scale, a tool that allows scientists to study these experiences in a systematic way. His book, After, A Doctor Explores What Near-Death Experiences Reveal About Life and Beyond, is a culmination of his insight into how NDEs change conventional views of death and consciousness.
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Interview with Dr. Bruce Greyson of DOPS
My God. Is that fairly common? Are people often told things when they have a near-death experience, information that could be verified later? Or do people ever get asked to do things?
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Interview with Dr. Bruce Greyson of DOPS
With over four decades dedicated to exploring and understanding these profound experiences, his work has fundamentally shaped our understanding of consciousness and what might lie beyond. For these reasons, I was very excited to speak to him. And of course, I had so many questions. I think you're all going to really enjoy listening to this one.
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That is so fascinating. It actually reminds me that I've seen some articles recently that ayahuasca ceremonies have become very popular with tech CEOs and people in like the tech industry. But I guess it's become a bit of a problem because a lot of these guys will come back and just abruptly quit their job and realize that they come back changed and they won't work anymore. They'll just go. Yeah.
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It's so fascinating because yeah, these do have a major impact on people, the near death experiences. Yeah. All right, we have to take a break. We'll be right back with the rest of this interview.
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Interview with Dr. Bruce Greyson of DOPS
This is my conversation with Dr. Bruce Grayson, and you're listening to Otherworld. All right. I'm joined now by Dr. Bruce Grayson. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for speaking to me. Well, thank you, Jack. It's a delight to be here with you today. First of all, I just wanted to ask, how long have you been researching near-death experiences? When did this all start for you?
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That strikes me, is that I've had a lot of vivid dreams before, powerful ones. I've had a lot of scary dreams. That being said... About five minutes after waking up, I've completely moved on. I don't change my life. Even if I received an omen in one of the dreams, I would probably forget about it within three minutes. You know, these people change their lives after these, right?
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That is so fascinating. Actually, it brings up another question I was going to ask you later. You've actually started to dive into a few of the things that I plan on asking you about. I do want to talk about the patterns, but you just reminded me. Something I've been wondering is if anybody reports a negative NDE experience.
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I mean, obviously, in many religions, there's a component of the afterlife for people who behave poorly where it's like a form of punishment, you know, hell. Do people ever report something similar after they die? No.
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This was not your original career plan, right? No, not at all. I'm sure you get asked this a lot, but was there sort of a light bulb moment when you discovered or encountered this in the field and decided to take it seriously? Because I imagine people weren't taking it seriously back then.
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Interesting. So, I mean, we'll get to the life review and everything, but you haven't really encountered people – facing bad parts of their life or things they did wrong or anything like that? Have you seen any examples of that?
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Let's just get into the life review, actually. This is a major thing I wanted to talk to you about, but this is something that is commonly reported. You call it the life review, and it's a cliche. People say that their lives flash before their eyes when they die, but this is literally reported. It's actually, in certain episodes of the show, this has happened to people in various forms, but how...
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How is this happening for people in physical space? How is this life review taking place? Are there themes to that? Does it happen differently each time? And what is being shown?
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That is so incredibly fascinating. Even outside of those extreme cases, what are the type of events people are being shown in these live reviews? And also, how is it physically being shown to them? Are they in it? Are they participating in it in first person? Is it on a screen? Is it a projection, a hologram, or something like that?
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That is so fascinating. And that's a major part of these NDEs is time stopping or slowing down to an extreme rate. Are there any other interesting descriptions you've had from people related to time? I mean, I guess I have a few questions about this, but I don't want to overwhelm you. Let's go with this first.
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That is so fascinating. And the other time question I have is like, when people experience these NDEs, how do they describe,
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their position and their life in the scale of time do they have a sense of it being the end or do they have a sense of them having existed before their life or does this question make sense to you like it's very abstract but like I've heard I've heard that people are have a sense that like They had lived many lives or have been around a lot longer after they die.
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Hmm. That is so fascinating. I'm a lot of this stuff really blows my mind. It's, it's so interesting.
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Do people report going to a common place? Where are they physically? I've encountered patterns within submissions to my show, weirdly enough. Have you noticed any patterns of them going to a physical place?
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Sure, absolutely. I've encountered some people reporting going to this like expansive field and reporting seeing tents and like all these people kind of milling about. That's something that's kind of come up multiple times, which is weird because from people who don't know each other.
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You just brought up something that reminded me of another topic I want to talk to you about. This is very important, I think. In your book and in a lot of your work, you make a distinction between the mind and the brain. Can you explain that distinction? I think this is really helpful for me in understanding all of these topics.
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It's so interesting to me because, you know, something that I think about a lot with NDEs is if you were to take a classical skeptical stance on this, purely evolutionary, I wonder how and why we could have ever evolved to have such a feature of evolution.
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of life especially when it only occurs at death you if it was purely survival of the fittest like how could we have possibly evolved to do that when you're dying when it takes place right like you couldn't well you know i started off as a very skeptical materialist and i did give a lot of thought to this and there are a couple of answers to that
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That's interesting, and it answers the why, I guess, but not quite the how. Right. Unless, of course, you consider that the mind and consciousness could be external, right? Which I think that's the compelling idea in all of this, right? Right. Consciousness, your consciousness, was somewhere before and can go somewhere else after is external, right?
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It's funny with this stuff. I encounter a lot like people will hear something like this and be like, oh, that sounds exactly like every New Age book I've ever heard. It's just people regurgitating New Age theories or like religious beliefs. It's frustrating for me because I'm always like, well, what if it's completely the opposite?
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What if this has been happening to people and this is what's caused the religions, right? That would make more sense almost. Yes. This is real.
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It's so interesting. And also the fact that religions have so many similarities, even across continents separated by oceans. Right. It would actually make quite a lot of sense.
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That is so interesting. The question I have is, as a person who's dedicated so much of your life to this work... Are there any things that frustrate you with strangers or colleagues in terms of misconceptions or beliefs or just really anything? Even if it's just a small frustration, I have to imagine you have some.
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That's incredible. What are, um, what are some of the stories or anecdotes from your research that still blow you away when you think back to them? I'm sure, I'm sure it gets normal to you at a certain point, but are there any really weird ones that stand out?
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Huh. You know, it's such a, that's incredible, of course, but it's also so strange and insignificant, right? Like, um, I, I, We were talking about frustrations. I think... I guess a frustration I have is that people always jump to the assumption that everyone's making this stuff up.
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And in reality, so many of these stories, it's like... not something they would make up. Like, why would you ever make that up? Nobody would ever make up something so ridiculous like that. It's so specific and so small, right? Like, that's just not the type of story that people create. No, and it was verified by the doctor.
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That is so wild. I was talking to you about anecdotes that still blow you away. Are there any other ones that stick out to you as particularly strange or ones you find yourself thinking about?
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Is it usually loved ones that they're greeted by?
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I talked to a guy one time that said that he was with a group of people that he knew to be his family from a different life. Like, and he had, he tried to explain this to me, but it was just like a sense of knowing that. But then they also were sitting there and kind of catching each other up on what they'd done in this life. And this was during an NDE.
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That's fascinating. Can you talk to me about some of the people who you work with and mentor at DOPS and any of the exciting studies you have coming up in the future?
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I'm just so excited that you guys are researching this. In your book, you used the famous analogy of the blind men trying to figure out an elephant, essentially. But I feel that way about a lot of these topics. I think we're just fumbling around in the dark, sort of.
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Can you also tell me about this research you're starting to do with twins? I know that you have something that you're in the early stages of. You're researching genetic markers in twins?
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Okay, well, my final question, and this might be a hard one, it's purposely hard, or maybe it'll be easy, I'm not sure. You have had a unique opportunity to talk to so many people who have died and come back, potentially, have been given a second chance. Is there any wisdom about life that you've taken away from all these many conversations?
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Just so we have a sense of the scale, how many NDE cases do you think that you have personally worked on or heard, studied?
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I think that's very good advice. Well, Dr. Bruce Grayson, thank you so much for speaking to me. Where can people find your work and what books do you recommend if people want to hear more?
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Well, thank you once again for speaking with me. This is so interesting. And thank you for listening.
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All right, thank you so much to Dr. Bruce Grayson. I'm so grateful to be able to speak to people like him on Otherworld. Part of my fascination in the material we cover on this show is the genuine hope that one day we will have answers about some of these things. I'm so happy that people like Bruce Grayson are out there studying it in a scientific way.
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I personally think the consciousness and our understanding of it will be a major key to solving some of the great mysteries of our world one day. If you want to know more about this subject and his work, I highly recommend reading his recent book, which is called After a Doctor Explores What Near-Death Experiences Reveal About Life and Beyond.
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Thank you once again to the Division of Perceptual Studies at University of Virginia. If you want to learn more about their work, I'll put a link in the description. Thank you once again to Dr. Bruce Grayson, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man.
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And these are people that you've met in person, in most cases, like right after it happened.
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That's so fascinating. I mean, even – I have to imagine for you, you encountered this, but do you ever think about – An alternate version where you maybe just told yourself you were having a weird day and just forgot about it and never pursued this? I imagine that must happen to a lot of people.
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Early on when you were researching this stuff, Um, in your book, you mentioned a lot of theories with like oxygen, uh, medication, you know, maybe these are just hallucinations, all sorts of things like that. And you looked into them. What, what were those things? And, uh, what were your initial theories and how did you, uh, end up eliminating those as possibilities for cause?
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Even though you were unable to speak with the rats, what does this information with the rat study tell you about NDEs and what they could be?
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt 1: "The Great Beast"
A membrane. Isn't that just like uncircumcised? I don't know.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt 1: "The Great Beast"
And the funniest thing is pubs were around for a really long time. I wonder what they were doing unique over there.
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This seems so simple back in the day. I know. It would be so easy to get rich back in the day. Just to be a guy that was like, what if we served beer and food?
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That's the best way to be, I think, right?
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A main reason that the story of Aleister Crowley is so complicated is because he is a very polarizing individual, and depending on whose version you're reading, he could be painted as either a brilliant visionary or a dangerous manipulating fraud. There are a lot of conflicting accounts out there about his life, and it could get pretty confusing researching this man.
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This was like really hardcore fringe Christianity, especially for the time, right? I did learn a little bit about this. Not only were they against drinking, they had other weird beliefs like you couldn't sign a lease or something. I saw something like that. Because Jesus might come back at any moment. Yeah, true.
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If you sign a lease, it means that you don't think he might come back soon or something like that.
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The wealth of their family, did it come from his grandparents, did you say?
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Oh, okay. So that actually clears up the whole pub thing, too. Yeah. This might have been a really long time ago when they revolutionized the idea of the pub. Basically, basically. Okay, so the Crowleys have been...
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That's the saddest I've ever heard. Okay. I have heard that his dad was not a great guy. I heard that his mom referred to him as the beast. No, no.
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The other reason is that the actual story of his life is genuinely one of the craziest things I have ever heard. So many parts of this are shocking, confusing, and hilarious. I think you'll find that I'm laughing quite a bit in the process of making this series, even though sometimes the parts are terrifying, disgusting, or bewildering. This man lived A very, very unique life.
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There's no way that was in the Bible. Oh, yeah. No way. I'm sensing some contradictions with this group, right?
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Wolf, I do not think that is one of the known symptoms of autism. No, no, not that.
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Okay, so, like, the most literal interpretation?
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Yeah. That cat story – by the way, rest in peace to the cat. That's horrible.
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Yes. So yeah, that's – Sounding a little bit more like early signs of a sociopath slash serial killer than anything, but... Look, I'm not the one who wrote the biography that said that, but just reporting dutifully.
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Yeah. Calling your son the Antichrist is very interesting. And also I doubt that she wanted him to be stoked by that insult or name. I think she was probably terrorizing her if I had to guess.
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And you're going to hear all about it in this multi-part series. To help me tackle this topic, friend of the show, Wolf Fleetwood Ross is back. He spent the last couple months reading every book he could find about Crowley, taking a lot of notes and putting together our version of his story. In this five-part series, Wolf is going to lead me through the very long story
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Publishing an obituary about a guy you don't like and then mailing him a copy of it.
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He's a gooner of his time. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Some would say the gooner of all time. But we'll get into that.
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Oh, by the way, this sounds like a really sick version of education.
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Honestly... Yeah, walking around England with a guy showing you the world, drinking, smoking at 15, that sounds pretty sick.
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and wild story of the wickedest man in the world, Aleister Crowley. I've decided to put this first part of the series on the main podcast feed for free. The other parts will be available on Patreon. To hear those, you could sign up at patreon.com slash otherworld. The second part is already up if you want to listen to it. and the others are coming very soon.
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Yeah, we'll get to that. But from what I've seen, I don't think that he had the chops to be one of the great poets.
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I mean, that seems to be a pattern with him.
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I believe this is going to be a five-part series. It's very long. Like I said, patreon.com slash otherworld to sign up and hear those. This is part one. The title is The Great Beast, and you're listening to Otherworld. Alright everybody, welcome to Otherworld. I am joined by a familiar character, Wolf Fleetwood Ross. How are you doing? Good to see you again, Wolf.
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Yes, I'm very excited about this. You've been hard at work researching. Researching a man that... We mentioned in the last series where you were featured, you were previously on the podcast diving into the life of Jack Parsons, a very complicated story. I think people really like those episodes.
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I liked doing them, and we're back again to do another series, and it's about an even more complicated person. You want to tell me who this is, Wolf, while you do the honors?
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Yeah. In the modern times, he would be bisexual. Yes. At the time, I think he was considered himself to be a straight man who just did this sometimes.
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No, yeah, it's terrifying. It's not even on eBay or something. It's at a formal auction.
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Even if I can afford that, I don't want to keep it. You don't want to keep it. I joked that if this show ever blows up, I'll buy it for you. But you don't want it.
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He was an occultist, a poet, a mountaineer, a provocateur, and a revolutionary thinker whose influence continues to ripple through culture, spirituality, and the arts. He is, I believe, the first one to start spelling magic with a K. He is on the cover of a Beatles album, and Jimmy Page actually bought and lived in Aleister Crowley's former estate in Scotland for a while, very famously.
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Yeah. So it's interesting. I'm glad we're doing this next. I'd also like to point out that this has an interesting tie-in to a series that came out after you were last on the podcast, which was the Zozo series. We started to dip our toes into Crowley world during that because we are kind of investigating the Zoso symbol from the famous Led Zeppelin IV album cover.
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Classic breakup situation. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a listener out there who had broken up with somebody for the same reasons. They don't like the occult and rock climbing. Yeah, I mean... The very Pacific Northwest style breakup, you could say.
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I'm sorry. I'm just like really appreciating that line of thinking.
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As one biographer – I'm assuming he was a large man at this age as well because he was rather – I think he would go in and out depending on how much rock climbing he was doing.
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There's a lot of great quotes in here.
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I'm looking at Crowley. Yeah, he was not big like he seems large in the later years the photos of him later years he was big for sure looks like a classic large man but yeah i'm looking at the young photos and there's some where he's quite skinny in the rock climbing era i mean and actually pretty handsome there's some some he was a really good looking dude in in early life A dashing young man.
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I mean, he was an aristocrat, so... Basically.
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I'm sure that's going to come up in this series. I'm sure many things are going to come up in this series. It's a very complicated man, a bottomless pit, it seems.
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I keep laughing so much. No, it's hilarious. I love the parallels of people I have met in my life. I'm sure everybody has. Everybody's met a person that's like, yeah, never worked out because my music was actually too good. I'm actually too good at guitar, so that's why my band never took off. Exactly. It's similar to that. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just to imagine that he's constantly masturbating, having sex and publishing extremely expensive poetry books that nobody's reading apparently.
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And is it safe to assume that the, the white stains he's referring to are what I'm thinking of? Yeah. A hundred percent. Okay. Okay. He would have, I'm getting the sense that Alistair Crowley, if he was alive today would, would possibly be some kind of noise musician or, you know, maybe noise musician, maybe prototype to jackass, maybe an annoying streamer.
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Interesting. I'm excited to hear this. Wait, so for the people who don't know who this is, is there a way to just give a brief summary of who Aleister Crowley is and why he is interesting? Yeah.
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Maybe. Oh, I could see him being a streamer. Yeah.
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Um, interesting where people, was it working?
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Okay, so he's putting out these horrible shock poems.
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That seems like some other – that also seems like some stuff a guy would lie about. Yeah, 100%. No, I actually did graduate, but I didn't feel like going to the exam. So I got it. It was just a technicality that I don't have a degree.
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All right, that does it for the first part of this series. This is a very long one. I believe this is gonna be about five episodes long, hopefully not longer, but it might be. If you want to hear part two and all of the rest of the episodes, they're available on our Patreon. You could sign up at patreon.com slash otherworld. We also have video versions of these episodes.
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So if you want to watch me and Wolf talk about all of this face-to-face, you can see those on the Patreon as well. Like I said, part two is already up. Part three is coming soon, as are the rest of them. patreon.com slash otherworld. This has been part one. The title is The Great Beast, and you've been listening to Otherworld.
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A man that gives himself nicknames like that, yeah.
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So yeah. And, and as an outsider, as the, the, the one that knows not much about Alistair Crowley, I'd say that like, he's a person that's sort of come up in my periphery throughout my life. If you're a person who has even remote interest in any kind of strange things, uh, as esoteric
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interests uh not not necessarily meaning like magical but just like i don't know if you're into like music uh art really anything like this guy his his tendrils touch everything a little bit you're bound to have seen him i'm sure you've seen a picture of him um if you've seen the beatles white album you've seen his face yeah the face on the yeah Or is it Sergeant Pepper?
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Yeah. He was on the cover of Sergeant Pepper. Yeah, he's kind of had his influence all over the place and had a life that's hard to track to the point where I never wanted to really dive into this because I knew I could just never have the time or patience to scratch the surface.
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Chances are you have heard his name before. Maybe you have seen a picture of him. You might know a thing or two about him, but maybe not the full story. That's how it's always been for me. His name is one that pops up pretty quickly when you begin to explore the occult, spirituality, the paranormal, magic, any of the major themes that get brought up on this show, really.
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Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. In this episode, we're going to begin diving in to the long, strange, and very complicated story of Aleister Crowley. He is known as the Great Beast, the wickedest man in the world. He is a self-proclaimed prophet of a new spiritual age, and a man who truly defies categorization.
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No, yeah. I think a lot of that stuff is like the very, very watered down version of what these guys were up to back in the day. Very watered down, of course. There's like... you know, in the last decade, we've seen kind of like the corporatization of this type of thing where, you know, stuff that was started by these spooky men years ago, men and women, mind you, um,
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are now kind of being taught at literal corporate training outings. Yeah, totally. How to manifest sales for yourself.
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Wolf, I'm so happy to have you here. This might be a multi-part series. We will see how long this takes. I know this is a very, very big subject. I'm sure we're barely going to scratch the surface, even in our attempt. Perhaps that's for the best. We will see. All right. Let's dive in. Let's do it.
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The Life of Aleister Crowley Pt 1: "The Great Beast"
He popped up in the series we did not long ago on Jack Parsons. He also popped up a little bit in the Zozo episodes that we did not long ago. Crowley's tendrils reach far and wide. Part of the reason I haven't tackled this topic sooner was because I knew that the full story was very, very complicated. And it's a little intimidating, to be honest with you.
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Episode 112: Fike House
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Episode 112: Fike House
Back at this time, Brian and his friends used to go out and explore abandoned buildings for fun. And on one night in particular, they decide to go into a supposedly haunted house. He believes that when they entered that home, it changed the course of events for the lives of him and his friends. I thought this was such an eerie story.
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Episode 112: Fike House
It's also a good example of the paranormal and real-life issues being completely intertwined. I will let Brian tell you the rest. This episode is called Fike House, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science you can't argue with. A story about all of a sudden up in the sky.
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Episode 112: Fike House
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This story comes from a man named Brian who grew up in Michigan. And in high school, Brian was in bands. He spent his time going to shows, getting into trouble. Honestly, very similar to my teenage years. In fact... I realized after this interview that I had actually seen Brian's band play a couple times at shows when I was much younger.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
This episode is sponsored by 5-Hour Energy. 5-Hour Energy has a new flavor out. It's called Spicy Cinco de Mango. Yes, a spicy 5-Hour Energy shot, and it's only available at 5hourenergy.com. They just sent me a case of this stuff to try. I popped open a bottle, gave it a little taste test. It is legitimately spicy, also a little sweet, but mainly spicy, which is a very unique flavor palette.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
I really liked both of these stories, but they were a little shorter than normal episodes, so I thought it would be perfect to just put them together in one longer episode. This first story comes from a woman named Felicia who grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area. She was driving home from school one night with her mom after some extracurricular activities.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
It was a completely ordinary day when suddenly they both witnessed something very baffling. The experience lasted only a brief moment, which is why the story was a bit short, but I thought the sighting itself was so extreme and undeniable and really came out of nowhere. Anyway, let's get this episode started. This is episode 106. The title is Up in the Sky, and you're listening to Otherworld.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
All right, thank you to Felicia for sharing her story. By the way, her mom was not interested in being on the podcast, but I did speak to her on the phone about all this. She remembers it exactly the same way as Felicia. With this story, I was blown away at how large this thing was that they saw.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
I love hearing stories like this, but there is always a tiny part of me when I'm hearing them that can't help but think maybe this person saw some kind of military craft that we don't know about yet or, you know, all of the classic excuses. But when I hear a story like this describing something taking up nearly the entire sky, it's kind of hard to explain that away, especially...
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
with just a mother and daughter coming home from school on a random night, it's just so shocking. As I said before, this episode contains two stories, and this next one is very unique. It comes from a person named Aiden, and it takes place in rural Virginia.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
At the time, her and her friends liked to play in the woods, and one time, she ended up getting very lost, during which time she said that she heard somebody or something following her for hours. This is a very weird story, one that's hard to categorize, I think I'm just going to let Aiden tell it for herself.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science, you can't argue with.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
Everybody moves back into the light, even if it takes them a minute.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
When it comes to 5-Hour Energies, I'd say by far the most unique flavor they have put out. And I consider myself to be a connoisseur. I already was a 5-Hour Energy connoisseur before, but now I have a ton of it in my office thanks to the fine folks at 5-Hour Energy. So I'm set for a while. Honestly...
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
And I'm Kaylin Moore. And we're the hosts of the Crime House original podcast, Clues. Every Wednesday, we sneak past the crime scene tape and open a new case file for some of the most gripping true crime cases.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
From serial killers to shocking murders, Clues dives into all the forensic details and brilliant sleuthing that went into the world's most infamous cases.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
What do you think happened to you? What do you think that was?
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
All right. Thank you, Aiden, for sharing that story. Honestly, there was so much in play in this one, it's really hard to categorize. Afterwards, me and Aiden looked around on Google Maps quite a bit together to see if there was any churches in the area that had a bell tower. We did not find any.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
However, where Aiden was lost was actually the site of an extremely bloody battle during the Civil War known as the Battle of Spotsylvania. This battle had over 32,000 casualties on both sides, and it occurred in a really small area. This was the exact area where Aiden was lost. I mean, she was literally wandering around on top of those battlegrounds.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
It seems very significant, but also, to my knowledge, it's hard to draw a connection between that and this girl seeing whatever it is that she encountered up in the sky, this purple thing, thing that boomed the Westminster Quarters bell tower chime at her. It's just very weird. I don't know what to make of any of it. I did see that bell towers were important during the Civil War.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
They're used as a warning call to arms or a way of just telling time, but I don't know. I don't completely understand it, but I really enjoyed hearing it. Thank you so much once again to Aiden and also Felicia for sharing these stories. That brings us to the end of this episode. This episode was called Up in the Sky, and you've been listening to Otherworld.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by North Americans. This episode was edited by Theo Krantz and engineered by Theo Schaefer. Nikki Kate Delgado is our associate producer. Production help by Hayley Pearson.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five-star review, and telling your friends about Otherworld. If you want to hear bonus episodes, you can become a patron at patreon.com slash otherworld. Our social media is at Otherworldpod. Thank you to the team at Odyssey, J.D.
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Crowley, Jenna Weiss-Berman, Leah Reese-Dennis, Rob Morandi, Eric Donnelly, Matt Casey, Maura Curran, Josephina Francis, and Hilary Schuff. Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
And finally, if you or somebody you know has experienced something paranormal, supernatural, or unexplained, you could send us your story at storiesatotherworldpod.com.
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
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Episode 106: Up in the Sky
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This episode contains two shorter stories. The events are completely different and have almost nothing to do with each other, aside from the fact that they both involve a young woman seeing something strange up in the sky.
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"Dismal Falls" from Spooked
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"Dismal Falls" from Spooked
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"Dismal Falls" from Spooked
All right. That was Dismal Falls from Spooked. If you liked what you heard, you can listen to more heart-pounding episodes of Spooked on any podcast platform. Go check it out. Once again, the show is Spooked, available wherever you get your podcasts.
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"Dismal Falls" from Spooked
You may also know Glenn Washington from his show Snap Judgment, which I have been a longtime fan of. This is a show that is near and dear to my heart, in fact. When I was younger, I used to drive a truck around all day for work, and I spent, I don't even know how many hours, just sitting in traffic in that truck, listening to Glenn Washington on the radio.
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"Dismal Falls" from Spooked
Hey, everybody. Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This week, we are featuring an episode from our friends over at the podcast, Spooked. Spooked features true-life supernatural stories told firsthand by people who can barely believe it happened themselves. Spooked is made in partnership with KQED and is hosted by the iconic Glenn Washington, who also shares stories of his own.
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"Dismal Falls" from Spooked
So I'm very excited to be doing this with Spooked. Every episode is scored with original music and sound design, transporting you to the other side of the veil. These stories demand listeners to question their own map of reality. This episode is called Dismal Falls. Once again, it's from Spooked, and I think you're going to like it.
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Episode 108: Face to Face
This episode is sponsored by 5-Hour Energy. 5-Hour Energy has a new flavor out. It's called Spicy Cinco de Mango. Yes, a spicy 5-Hour Energy shot, and it's only available at 5hourenergy.com. They just sent me a case of this stuff to try. I popped open a bottle, gave it a little taste test. It is legitimately spicy, also a little sweet, but mainly spicy, which is a very unique flavor palette.
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Episode 108: Face to Face
If you want to see what I mean, just go check out the famous alumni section of the Wikipedia page. I think you'll understand very quickly. Even though this story is ultimately a sad one, I think it paints a really interesting picture of life as a teenager in the late 80s and early 90s that I find so fascinating.
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Episode 108: Face to Face
A time long before cell phones and the internet took over everyone's lives and being a teenager meant something completely different. I think you'll see that this story captures that in a few small but very special ways. In the case of Angela and her friends, it meant a lot of driving around aimlessly, listening to music, exploring.
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Episode 108: Face to Face
And in this specific story, it involves going to great lengths to play a joke on one of their friends. I really loved listening to Angela tell me this story. To be honest, only a small section of this story is paranormal, but I think it's just such a great story all around. This is episode 108. The title is Face to Face, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is.
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Episode 108: Face to Face
At its core, the science, you can't argue with. I'm worried about all the science. Up in the sky.
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Episode 108: Face to Face
When it comes to 5-Hour Energies, I'd say by far the most unique flavor they have put out. And I consider myself to be a connoisseur. I already was a 5-Hour Energy connoisseur before, but now I have a ton of it in my office thanks to the fine folks at 5-Hour Energy. So I'm set for a while. Honestly...
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Episode 108: Face to Face
Thank you so much to Angela for sharing this story. Like I mentioned before, it's definitely a sad one, but at the same time, I really loved it. And I think it really captures how unpredictable and fragile life can be. I know it's a bit of a cliche, but I think we do all underestimate how quickly everything can change.
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Episode 108: Face to Face
And in terms of the experience she had at the very end, while she was lying on the grave and encountering what she thinks is the spirit of her boyfriend, I don't think I've ever heard a description like that before. And of course... I've heard a lot of stories. I've never heard somebody describe a ghost or a spirit appearing in that way.
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Episode 108: Face to Face
It was so strange, and I think I was fascinated by Angela being a little surprised herself. Once again, I want to thank Angela for sharing this story. I know it was a difficult one. This has been episode 108. The title is Face to Face, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man.
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Episode 108: Face to Face
The soundtrack of this episode is by Juice Jackal. This episode was edited and engineered by Theo Schaefer. Our artwork is by Coldestack Studios. Nikki Kate Delgado is our associate producer. Production help by Hayley Pearson. Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five-star review, and telling your friends about Otherworld.
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Episode 108: Face to Face
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Episode 108: Face to Face
Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. And finally, if you or somebody you know has experienced something paranormal, supernatural, or unexplained, You could send us your story at storiesatotherworldpod.com.
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Episode 108: Face to Face
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Episode 108: Face to Face
This story comes from a woman named Angela, and it takes place in a time and location that, quite frankly, I'm a little jealous of. The year 1990 in the heart of Los Angeles. This story takes place when Angela is a teenager and she's attending Fairfax High School, which is one of those famous public high schools that seems to have been at the center of pop culture for a very long time.
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Episode 121: The Vortex
This episode is sponsored by 5-Hour Energy. 5-Hour Energy has a new flavor out. It's called Spicy Cinco de Mango. Yes, a spicy 5-Hour Energy shot, and it's only available at 5hourenergy.com. They just sent me a case of this stuff to try. I popped open a bottle, gave it a little taste test. It is legitimately spicy, also a little sweet, but mainly spicy, which is a very unique flavor palette.
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Episode 121: The Vortex
The person you're about to hear from did not go to Sedona for spiritual reasons. They actually went for work. His name is Reese. He is a freelance gaffer in the film industry of Los Angeles. And he got called on to a job filming a project out in Sedona. And he went in blind, not knowing much at all. He was there to work. But of course, he ended up having a rather unusual experience.
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Episode 121: The Vortex
I will let him explain that for himself. This is episode 121. The title is The Vortex, and you're listening to Otherworld. Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science, you can't argue with. A story about all the science. Up in the sky.
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Episode 121: The Vortex
All right. We'll be right back after this quick break. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Mental health awareness is growing, but there's still progress to be made. 26% of Americans who participated in a recent survey say that they have avoided seeking mental health support due to fear of judgment.
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Episode 121: The Vortex
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Episode 121: The Vortex
Did you ever end up reaching out to Bona and talking to him about this after everything?
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Episode 121: The Vortex
dude i'm i can't help but be tempted to want to go hang out with bana and do one of these tours myself yeah this sounds like we're doing an ad for this man's tour but now also to be clear like like it seems the credit is probably more due to the vortex and bana i feel like yeah yeah could have been anybody up there yeah yeah a hundred percent and like
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Episode 121: The Vortex
I'm looking at Bana's Instagram right now. This is crazy. Scrolling this feed, it's very hard to comprehend such a profound spiritual experience coming from this man. I'm just not even trying to be rude.
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Episode 121: The Vortex
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Episode 121: The Vortex
these like sing-along meditations that he does yeah yeah and um it's funny i'm uh in considering like going to meet this man and give it a try like seeing a video of those activities that's like just not something i'm interested in doing even though you told me it's great if that makes sense look it's just like i had the exact same reaction this is not my thing at all but it's like
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Episode 121: The Vortex
So how much do you know about what we're up to and who we've been talking to?
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Episode 121: The Vortex
So I talked to this guy, Reese. He was part of the documentary crew that filmed with you. Do you remember that shoot?
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Episode 121: The Vortex
Wacky and wonderful weird world at least that I live in now How'd you get started doing these tours of the vortexes or like maybe even back it up further? Like how did you? Who are you and how did you?
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Episode 121: The Vortex
What were you like in L.A.? Like, what were you before? Was your name Bana? Yeah, yeah. That's your birth name?
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Episode 121: The Vortex
That is fascinating. So what are the vortexes? Can you tell me about these?
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Episode 121: The Vortex
What do you do when you take people up there? Is there anything you expect to happen? Or do you have any expectations going up there with these people?
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Episode 121: The Vortex
Are there any patterns of stuff that happens to people up on those rocks? Or does this kind of stand out?
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Episode 121: The Vortex
Well, he had a pretty profound experience, and he was not going into it, taking it very seriously. He said that you strummed your guitar twice, and then all of a sudden he starts seeing things, and it was like he was almost transported into a different dimension. Is that normal?
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Episode 121: The Vortex
Is this like, were you making this up on the fly or is this something you normally do with people?
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Episode 121: The Vortex
That leads me to my next question. I was going to ask you, are you still in Sedona doing the tours?
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Episode 121: The Vortex
Yeah, I mean, I might be going down there. I kind of want to see what these are all about. What do you suggest? Is this something I could just go up by myself? Are there other guides? Do you have any suggestions?
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Episode 121: The Vortex
All right. Well, I will see how it goes, dude. Thank you so much for talking to me, Bono.
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Episode 121: The Vortex
I'll report back on my experiences if I have any Reese like moments up there on the rocks.
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Episode 121: The Vortex
Okay, thank you so much to Reese and also Bana for speaking to me for this episode. You know, I was originally planning on going to Sedona myself to explore these vortexes as part of the episode. I ended up getting a little too busy over here, but I am hoping to go there someday soon to do an entire episode about the Vortexes because I think this whole thing is so interesting.
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Episode 121: The Vortex
I think it would be amazing to do an episode in Sedona in general. That being said, I feel like Bana would tell me that I'll end up going to Sedona and seeing the Vortexes when the time comes where it's meant to happen. Until then, this has been episode 121. The title is The Vortex, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner.
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Episode 121: The Vortex
Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by Juice Jackal and North Americans. This episode was edited by Theo Krantz and engineered by Theo Schaefer. Our associate producers are Nikki Kate Delgado and Haley Pearson. Our artwork is by Cul-De-Sac Studios. If you want to hear bonus episodes of Otherworld, you can become a patron at patreon.com slash otherworld.
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Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five-star review, and telling your friends about the show. Our social media is at otherworldpod. Thank you to the team at Odyssey, Leah Reese Dennis, Rob Morandi, Eric Donnelly, Maura Curran, Kate Rose, Colin Gaynor, Michael LeVay, Josephina Francis, and Hilary Schuff.
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Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. And finally, if you or somebody you know has experienced something paranormal, supernatural, or unexplained, you can send us your story at stories at otherworldpod.com.
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Episode 121: The Vortex
I have at least 750 hours worth of energy on my shelf right now if you added up all these bottles. So get energized and spicy. 5-Hour Energy Spicy Cinco de Mango Shot is here for you. 5-Hour Energy Spicy Cinco de Mango is only available online for a limited time. Head to 5hourenergy.com to get yours today. Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner.
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Episode 121: The Vortex
This episode takes place in a town that's very near and dear to my heart, Sedona, Arizona. If you're not familiar, Sedona is home to some of the most beautiful landscapes in the entire United States, as far as I'm concerned. But it's also a town famous for spirituality and heady culture that attracts a lot of tourists.
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Episode 121: The Vortex
There are plenty of places where you could get any type of psychic reading you could ever imagine, or buy some unusual New Age CDs, or perhaps a tie-dye t-shirt featuring the Kokopelli. But whether or not you're a believer in the variety of things that draw people to Sedona... It's undeniable that the area itself has a strong energy to it. Almost a dreamlike electric feeling in the air.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
And like, how did you know this wasn't, it sounds so stupid saying it, like a man in a dog costume or something like.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
Lots of fake material exists. People do make up stories, and because of that, much of the world assumes that it's all fake. Everyone wants things to be black and white, but it's just not the way this works. Well, on this show, we speak to a lot of people who thought something wasn't real until they saw it with their own eyes.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
And in the second part of this series, we'll be speaking to another person in Michigan who thinks they encountered the Dog Man as well. However, the thing that this person saw seems quite different than what Emerson experienced. It comes from a woman named Grace, and I will let her take it from here. This is The Michigan Dogman, part two, and you're listening to Otherworld.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
All right, we have to take a break, but we'll be right back with the rest of this episode.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
Okay, thank you so much to Grace and Nancy for showing that story. After hearing it, my first thought was that I really hope the image of a dog with a old Hollywood Clark Gable-style human face doesn't appear in my head at any point when I'm trying to fall asleep. My second thought, though, was that whatever this thing was that they saw, is really not similar to Emerson's experience.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
Emerson said that he basically saw a normal wolf, except for the fact that it got up on its hind legs. And Grace said that this was clearly a dog until they got closer and realized it was more of a dog with a man's face. But in both cases, they went looking for answers and found out about the Michigan Dog Man and figured, this must be it. This must be what I saw.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
Shortly after interviewing Grace, to my surprise, I was finally able to get a hold of somebody who works with wolves. They do this in Minnesota instead of Michigan, but that's close enough for me. Either way, I just wanted to finally speak to somebody who knows about these creatures and ask them some very basic questions, like whether or not wolves exist.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
display any strange behavior that might cause people to think they experienced something paranormal, like getting up on their hind legs, and what they think about the entire Michigan Dogman legend. So, I talked to Maeve Rogers. She works at a wolf research and outreach program in Minnesota. She previously worked with wolves in Yellowstone National Park. And this is our conversation.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
Maeve, what title would you like to use? How shall I introduce you here?
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As a person who works with wolves, do you hear... Any strange stories about them? Are there any patterns to strange behaviors or experiences people have with wolves that you hear?
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
Maeve, I have to ask, have you ever had any strange experiences of your own while you're in the woods?
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
After this, he did some research and discovered a local legend called the Michigan Dogman. A legend that may or may not be partly a hoax. After this, I decided to try speaking to some biologists or wolf experts in Michigan. Normally, this wouldn't be something that's very hard for me to do, but nobody, and I mean nobody, wanted to talk about the Michigan Dog Man.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
How does that make you feel, especially in the context of your skepticism towards what we've been talking about?
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
Okay, thank you to Maeve for speaking with me. If you want to learn more about the work her and her organization does, they're called the Voyager's Wolf Project. I love it when I get an unexpected otherworld story like that, especially when it comes from somebody like Maeve. I was not entirely surprised by her skepticism about the Michigan Dogman.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
That point of view was kind of why I wanted to get somebody like her on the show to talk about this. One thing that did stick out to me was near the end when she mentioned how hard it is to recover bodies of wolves in the wild, even when they know the exact GPS locations of where they should be.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
I feel like anytime the existence of a mysterious creature gets brought up, people end up asking, why haven't they found any remains yet? It's a very fair question, but it's interesting to know that that's harder to do than most people realize. In terms of the Michigan Dogman, I think it's safe to say that the origins are a hoax. Steve made that pretty clear.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
But I don't think that means that all the people who have experienced something strange in Michigan related to wolves or dogs are just imagining it or creating a hoax themselves. My thoughts are that... When people experience things like this, it's very confusing and destabilizing. And lots of times they go out looking for answers. I think the Michigan Dog Man created a name.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
And it gave people in Michigan an answer to something that they didn't have an answer for before. People were suddenly able to apply a name to something that they had experienced long ago and something that people continue to experience. I think assigning names and categories to this stuff can be a bit of a distraction sometimes. That's one of the reasons why I rarely do it.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
I consciously avoid coming in at the end of these episodes and saying things like, this person clearly encountered a dogman. I mean, how could I or anyone possibly know that anyway? But when it comes to the paranormal, I really believe that This stuff could be caused by many, many different things, or maybe a lot of it could all be connected to one thing. I have no idea.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
All of these experiences that we cover on the show could be connected to many different individual things. or maybe there's a few things causing it all, or maybe it's all just one thing. I have no idea. People have had strange experiences with wolves throughout time, and there is folklore from cultures all over the world. It's not just happening in Michigan.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
I think it's a really interesting pattern, and I honestly hope we get more stories like this in the future, because if we're ever going to find answers to some of this stuff, I think the first step is to find patterns between these very strange experiences that people have. That brings us to the end of this episode.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
I want to thank Emerson, Grace, Nancy, Steve Cook, and Maeve Rogers for speaking to us for this series. By the way, Steve Cook's album, The Legend of Michigan's Dogman, 25th Anniversary Collector's Edition, is available on Spotify for streaming if you're interested. It includes 10 different versions of the famous song.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
This has been The Michigan Dogman Part 2, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by North Americans. This episode was edited and engineered by Theo Schaefer. Our artwork is by Coldestack Studios. Nikki Kate Delgado is our associate producer.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
Crowley, Jenna Weiss-Berman, Leah Reese-Dennis, Rob Morandi, Eric Donnelly, Matt Casey, Maura Curran, Josefina Francis, and Hilary Schuff. Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
However, they did send over the DNR data for Michigan, and told me that there are no known wolves in the area where Emerson had this experience, which I thought was really interesting. This all led me to talk to the man who started this all, or at least named it, the radio DJ Steve Cook. After speaking to him, it seems that the Michigan Dog Man was definitely started as a joke,
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. In the last episode, we spoke to Emerson, a self-described hardcore skeptic who had a very brief but strange encounter with a wolf, during which he was chased and then saw the wolf get up on his hind legs and continue running full sprint, upright, like a man would run.
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Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
The history behind it was made up by Steve, and Steve certainly fueled the fire of this hoax by releasing fake footage. But he also told me that he has talked to so many people over the years who he believes had very real encounters with something that sounded a lot like the Michigan Dogman. I think this story is a very realistic representation of the paranormal in general.
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Episode 111: The Sleepover
So, after speaking to Taryn, I wanted to talk to her friend Sianna, even if it just meant verifying some of the details of the story. I'm really glad I did that, because it turns out Sianna remembered something that Taryn didn't mention and possibly didn't even know at the time. She also remembered a couple other details from the story, like where exactly they got rid of this object.
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Episode 111: The Sleepover
That was something that Taryn wasn't exactly sure about. Und ich denke, dass diese Details und ihre Perspektive so viel zu dieser ganzen Saga hinbekommen sind. Also, das ist Terrans Freund Sianna, die Terran am Tag aus der Blüte kontaktiert hat, in einem Zustand von Panik, um sie zu schlafen.
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Episode 111: The Sleepover
Alright, thank you to Taryn and Sianna for sharing this story. Obviously, I wish they kept this metallic ball, whatever it was, or took photos of it or something. But, at the same time, I do understand why a pair of 15-year-olds in a state of sheer panic might do something like immediately throw it out the window and into a graveyard. I will say, though...
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Episode 111: The Sleepover
If it was some kind of tracking device, I'm not sure how helpful that would be, especially if you know you live in literally the only house in a graveyard. I feel like... They would still be able to find you. I think it's interesting that Sienna experienced this strange blinding white light that night and she apparently didn't know anything about what happened to Taryn at the time.
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Episode 111: The Sleepover
According to Sienna, Taryn invited her over without context and didn't end up explaining anything until the next morning. Sienna assumed she was just having family problems. I'm so glad I ended up speaking to her. Manchmal, wenn Menschen Dinge wie diese erleben, rationalisieren sie sie und versuchen, so schnell wie möglich weiterzumachen. Manchmal schockierend schnell.
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Episode 111: The Sleepover
Aber ich weiß, für die beiden war es nicht so einfach, weiterzumachen, besonders für Taryn. Aber ich bin froh, dass sie das gemeinsam durchgeführt haben. Ich weiß, Taryn hat gesagt, dass wenn Sianna nicht da war, sie hätte definitiv erlaubt, dass sie ihre Meinung verlieren würde. I want to thank Taryn and Sienna once again for sharing the story. This has been Episode 111.
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Episode 111: The Sleepover
The title is The Sleepover. And you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The music in this episode is by Michael Cormier O'Leary and Juice Jackal. This episode was edited by Theo Krantz and engineered by Theo Schaefer. Our artwork is by Coldestack Studios. Nikki Kate Delgado is our associate producer.
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Episode 111: The Sleepover
Production help by Hayley Pearson. Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a 5-star review and telling your friends about Otherworld. If you want to hear bonus episodes, you can become a patron at patreon.com slash otherworld. Our social media is at otherworldpod. Thank you to the team at Odyssey, J.D.
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Episode 111: The Sleepover
Crowley, Jenna Weiss-Berman, Leah Reese Dennis, Rob Morandi, Eric Donnelly, Matt Casey, Maura Curran, Josefina Francis and Hilary Schuff. Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Episode 111: The Sleepover
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Episode 111: The Sleepover
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This episode comes from a girl named Taryn, who is 26 now, but this experience happened in 2015. Something that's really striking about this episode to me is that Taryn's background and where she lives and why she lives there are almost as unsettling as the experience that she's coming on the podcast to share.
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Episode 111: The Sleepover
Taryn and her family live in a graveyard. Nicht nahe einer Grave. Sie leben im Haus, das in einer Grave ist. Das heißt, es gibt Steine im Grunde ihre Vordergrube. Ich glaube nicht, dass ich jemals so etwas gehört habe. Das Überraschende ist, dass das, was Taryn passiert und warum ich mit ihr spreche, nichts damit zu tun hat, dass sie in einer Grave lebt.
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Episode 111: The Sleepover
Und es ist nicht die Art von Geschichte, die man von einer Person, die in so einem Ort lebt, erwarten würde. I will let her explain further. This episode is called The Sleepover and you're listening to Otherworld.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
All right, we have to take a break. We'll be right back with the rest of this episode.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
So, after talking to Susan and hearing her version of events, I obviously wanted to speak to her now ex-husband, John, aka Zoe's dad, just to see if he had any additional information about the night. His version of the story was pretty much the same, but I did notice one big difference in his recollection in terms of where they woke up in the morning.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
I was a little concerned when I first heard this, thinking it might be an issue that they remembered things completely differently. But as I continued to listen to John explain things, I realized that... Their stories actually did not conflict with each other.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
It just turns out that John woke up somewhere completely different from Susan quite some time before she woke up and ended up in the same room with her by the time she woke up. I don't think she ever even knew this until now. For me, it added an entire new spin on that part of the story, and I thought it was so interesting. So here is the conversation that I had with John.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
Okay, thank you so much to Susan and John for speaking to me. First of all, I thought it was wild how John's version of that night ended up changing things a little bit. Like I said, at first I was a little concerned when they had different versions that they were recalling, which does happen sometimes. I mean, this is a 30-year-old memory that's normal, but it can also be an issue. However...
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
As he explained waking up in bed and what he did after, I realized that the story is lined up perfectly. It's just that Susan woke up and John was sitting in that chair and she assumed he was there the whole time. In reality, he woke up quite some time before on top of the bed in his clothes with a headache. He laid there trying to figure out what happened.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
and then ended up wandering downstairs to look for Susan. I thought that was so interesting, especially the fact that these two maybe never talked about this together, and we're just realizing it right now. What happened to them with this bright light floating towards them on the road is so terrifying to me.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
Maybe the fact that I grew up around there adds to it because I know how boring driving around the Midwest can be. No offense, of course, but I think Midwesterners know that everything is completely flat. The scenery tends to look... Pretty consistent from place to place, and there are not too many surprises waiting for you around the corner when you're driving around Midwestern roads.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
Especially not an inexplicable floating light. And Susan made it clear to me that this light approached them to the point where they stopped the car and the light fully consumed them. It's also maybe worth noting that this potentially occurred very close to a nuclear power plant, which is an odd detail.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
It's so strange and it's crazy imagining that happening while driving on a familiar Wisconsin road. You know, I hear people toss out insane theories all the time and attempt to rationalize or explain away the things that get discussed in this show.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
I think any explanation you could possibly come up with to explain such a long period of amnesia in two people and seeing this light, which I guess would be a hallucination if you wanted to explain it away, anything that could cause both of those, I think would surely have a severe impact on their ability to drive home especially down a dark road.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
I think if something like that did occur, they would have probably woken up in the car, crashed into a tree or something like that. And I'm certainly glad that is not the case. As they explained, after waking up, Susan and John quickly tried to move on with their weekend.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
I've said this since the beginning of this show, that this is a very common reaction to experiencing something paranormal like this. When it actually happens to people, I think it's so disorienting that... Pretty much everyone wants to quickly get back to their normal life as fast as they can.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
That's really what interests me most about this stuff is how many otherwise normal people have very abnormal moments in their life that they pretty much keep to themselves. One last thing before we go. Zoe told us that she was apparently born around nine months after this happened.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
And for that reason, she jokes that maybe her parents were abducted by aliens and she was some kind of result of this. Her dad was not positive on exactly how long before Zoe was born this occurred, but he thinks it might have been pretty close to that. So who knows? However, Susan and John do have five children.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
So if that is true about Zoe, I would certainly have a few questions about the rest of the siblings. Thank you once again to Zoe, Susan, and John for speaking to me. This has been episode 125. The title is The Light of Door County. And you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
The soundtrack of this episode is by Juice Jackal and North Americans. This episode was edited by myself and engineered by Theo Schaefer. Our associate producers are Nikki Kate Delgado and Hayley Pearson. Our artwork is by Cul-De-Sac Studios. If you want to hear bonus episodes of Otherworld, you can become a patron at patreon.com slash otherworld.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
Her mom, on the other hand, refused to talk about this incident and would get very upset whenever Zoe brought it up. Of course, this only made Zoe and myself even more curious to speak to her mom and find out what exactly happened to her on this night almost 30 years ago. Eventually, Zoe's mom ended up agreeing to speak to me about it
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
I'm pretty sure that is mostly due to Zoe nagging her about it, so thank you to Zoe for that. And when I ended up hearing about this from her mom, I found the whole thing to be very bizarre. It takes place all the way back when her parents just started dating, and they were heading out for the weekend to make a drive that was very familiar to them.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. A while back, we got an email from a girl named Zoe, who is from Chicago, and she emailed saying that nearly 30 years ago, her parents had a crazy experience while driving to their family's cabin in northern Wisconsin. Zoe's parents never spoke about this event, and she only found out about it from her dad when she was much older.
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Episode 125: The Light of Door County
driving from the suburbs of Chicago out to Door County, Wisconsin. A drive that was normally very uneventful and routine for them, but this time, things were different. This is episode 125. The title is The Light of Door County, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science you can't argue with.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
This episode is sponsored by 5-Hour Energy. 5-Hour Energy has a new flavor out. It's called Spicy Cinco de Mango. Yes, a spicy 5-Hour Energy shot, and it's only available at 5hourenergy.com. They just sent me a case of this stuff to try. I popped open a bottle, gave it a little taste test. It is legitimately spicy, also a little sweet, but mainly spicy, which is a very unique flavor palette.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. The story comes from a person named Ariel, and Ariel had an unusual childhood for many reasons, but one of those is that they grew up in Alaska, which is where the story takes place.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
What happened to Ariel involves after-death communication and near-death experiences, two topics that are very exciting to me because they're very well documented, and also they're currently being scientifically researched.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
Part of exploring these topics comes with an understanding that the mind and the brain might be two completely different things, and that the mind might be able to do things and go somewhere else after the brain stops functioning. I also think that's a key to understanding many of the stories that come up on this show and how some of these mysterious things might work.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
I don't want to say too much in the intro because Ariel is a wonderful storyteller. I had such a great time chatting with and getting to know them. Even though this is an emotional story, they consistently made me laugh during this interview.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
And also, this was one of those interviews where I ended up chatting with the person for hours after they finished telling me their main story because it's just a really fascinating one and I had tons of questions. I think you're all going to really like it. This episode is called Second Chance and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
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Episode 105: Second Chance
All right. Thank you so much to Ariel for sharing this story. This was a really wild one. Not only the fact that Ariel had these experiences with her mom after she passed, but also how it came full circle after Ariel potentially passed away themselves. I've noticed that lots of people who have NDEs or a brush with death report that it sort of changed them after they come back.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
Many say that they're able to sense or see things that they weren't able to before. Ariel has a lot of experiences like that as well. And simply too many to fit in one episode. I think we're going to do some kind of follow up to this on Patreon because I had such a great time talking with Ariel. So stay tuned for that. They have a lot of extra stories.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
Aside from this one, if you could believe it. As many of you probably heard, I recently interviewed Dr. Bruce Grayson, one of the world's leading experts on near-death experiences. He has an entire section of his book, which is called After, about his research of people who had NDEs during drug overdoses.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
And interestingly enough, he concludes that NDEs involving drugs are genuine experiences, not reducible to the effects of the substances involved. Their depth, coherence, and transformative impact make them indistinguishable from NDEs caused by other means. In fact, one of the people interviewed in the book injured themselves while on LSD. They stopped breathing and had an NDE.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
And their description was very similar to Ariel's. They also describe a clear moment. where they are suddenly no longer high. I thought that was such an interesting detail of Ariel's story. It seems like people who have NDEs during a drug overdose report a clear separation between the effects of the drugs and then their NDE.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
I also thought it was so interesting that when Ariel woke up, they weren't high at all. I mean, taking that amount of acid would typically...
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Episode 105: Second Chance
impact you for quite some time at least the rest of the day if not several days but that is just so fascinating to me that they woke up feeling fine anyway like I said I'm probably going to be doing another talk with Ariel on Patreon if you're interested they have more stories to tell thank you once again to Ariel for sharing this story this episode is called Second Chance and you've been listening to Otherworld
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Episode 105: Second Chance
Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by Juice Jackal and North Americans. This episode was edited by myself and engineered by Theo Schaefer. Our artwork is by Coldestack Studios. Nikki Kate Delgado is our associate producer. Production help by Hayley Pearson.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five-star review, and telling your friends about Otherworld. If you want to hear bonus episodes, you can become a patron at patreon.com slash otherworld. Our social media is at OtherworldPod. Thank you to the team at Odyssey, J.D.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
Crowley, Jenna Weiss-Berman, Leah Reese-Dennis, Rob Morandi, Eric Donnelly, Matt Casey, Maura Curran, Josefina Francis, and Hilary Schuff. Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Episode 105: Second Chance
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Episode 105: Second Chance
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Hunting a Serial Killer: The Colonial Parkway Murders
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Hunting a Serial Killer: The Colonial Parkway Murders
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