Jack Wagner

All of these questions lingered. I had many more beyond that. And it turns out I was not exactly done with the Integratron, or perhaps the Integratron wasn't quite done with me. After we stopped recording the interview you just heard, Daniel, Paul, and myself stayed and chatted for a while. And while we were chatting, he mentioned that if I was curious...

All of these questions lingered. I had many more beyond that. And it turns out I was not exactly done with the Integratron, or perhaps the Integratron wasn't quite done with me. After we stopped recording the interview you just heard, Daniel, Paul, and myself stayed and chatted for a while. And while we were chatting, he mentioned that if I was curious...

There was this guy named Don out in the desert who owns George Van Tassel's entire archive. Daniel shared with me some recordings of George that Don owns, but he told me that this guy Don has over 70 reel-to-reel tapes. Boxes of George's photos, the original model of the Integratron, and the blueprints. My first thought was that, you know, we probably don't need any of that for these episodes.

There was this guy named Don out in the desert who owns George Van Tassel's entire archive. Daniel shared with me some recordings of George that Don owns, but he told me that this guy Don has over 70 reel-to-reel tapes. Boxes of George's photos, the original model of the Integratron, and the blueprints. My first thought was that, you know, we probably don't need any of that for these episodes.

There was this guy named Don out in the desert who owns George Van Tassel's entire archive. Daniel shared with me some recordings of George that Don owns, but he told me that this guy Don has over 70 reel-to-reel tapes. Boxes of George's photos, the original model of the Integratron, and the blueprints. My first thought was that, you know, we probably don't need any of that for these episodes.

But Daniel was explaining this, and at a certain point, I think I asked, wait, who is this guy? Like, who is Don? And why does he have all this stuff? How did he get it? Daniel told me that his name is Don McKinney. He's a retired construction worker that lives out in the desert, very close to Giant Rock.

But Daniel was explaining this, and at a certain point, I think I asked, wait, who is this guy? Like, who is Don? And why does he have all this stuff? How did he get it? Daniel told me that his name is Don McKinney. He's a retired construction worker that lives out in the desert, very close to Giant Rock.

But Daniel was explaining this, and at a certain point, I think I asked, wait, who is this guy? Like, who is Don? And why does he have all this stuff? How did he get it? Daniel told me that his name is Don McKinney. He's a retired construction worker that lives out in the desert, very close to Giant Rock.

And he's basically an eccentric dude that acquired this collection years ago and has been doing his best to preserve it on his own. I asked Daniel if he knew whether or not the tapes and photos had been digitized and backed up. Daniel told me that Don was trying to do this, but he's getting older and doesn't have much money. And this is when I got pulled into a bit of a side quest.

And he's basically an eccentric dude that acquired this collection years ago and has been doing his best to preserve it on his own. I asked Daniel if he knew whether or not the tapes and photos had been digitized and backed up. Daniel told me that Don was trying to do this, but he's getting older and doesn't have much money. And this is when I got pulled into a bit of a side quest.

And he's basically an eccentric dude that acquired this collection years ago and has been doing his best to preserve it on his own. I asked Daniel if he knew whether or not the tapes and photos had been digitized and backed up. Daniel told me that Don was trying to do this, but he's getting older and doesn't have much money. And this is when I got pulled into a bit of a side quest.

Daniel introduced me to Don McKinney that afternoon on the phone. I spoke to Don about his huge collection of George's stuff. He told me that he had indeed been trying to digitize it over the years, but it's been hard. There are so many tapes. He had a nephew that was helping him out at one point, but the nephew has moved away.

Daniel introduced me to Don McKinney that afternoon on the phone. I spoke to Don about his huge collection of George's stuff. He told me that he had indeed been trying to digitize it over the years, but it's been hard. There are so many tapes. He had a nephew that was helping him out at one point, but the nephew has moved away.

Daniel introduced me to Don McKinney that afternoon on the phone. I spoke to Don about his huge collection of George's stuff. He told me that he had indeed been trying to digitize it over the years, but it's been hard. There are so many tapes. He had a nephew that was helping him out at one point, but the nephew has moved away.

He also told me that the hard drive on his computer was getting full, and he needed tech support with that, along with a bunch of other things. I was like, hey, Don, I make this show called Otherworld, and I have two guys that are both named Theo who work on the show and are really good at audio.

He also told me that the hard drive on his computer was getting full, and he needed tech support with that, along with a bunch of other things. I was like, hey, Don, I make this show called Otherworld, and I have two guys that are both named Theo who work on the show and are really good at audio.

He also told me that the hard drive on his computer was getting full, and he needed tech support with that, along with a bunch of other things. I was like, hey, Don, I make this show called Otherworld, and I have two guys that are both named Theo who work on the show and are really good at audio.

Maybe I can ask them if they want to come out there with me, and we could try to help you out with preserving some of this stuff. Suddenly, Theo and Theo flew in from Santa Fe in New York, where they live, and all three of us were driving out to the desert to meet Don McKinney and spend the week helping him digitize this giant archive of George Van Tassel's reel-to-reel tapes.

Maybe I can ask them if they want to come out there with me, and we could try to help you out with preserving some of this stuff. Suddenly, Theo and Theo flew in from Santa Fe in New York, where they live, and all three of us were driving out to the desert to meet Don McKinney and spend the week helping him digitize this giant archive of George Van Tassel's reel-to-reel tapes.

Maybe I can ask them if they want to come out there with me, and we could try to help you out with preserving some of this stuff. Suddenly, Theo and Theo flew in from Santa Fe in New York, where they live, and all three of us were driving out to the desert to meet Don McKinney and spend the week helping him digitize this giant archive of George Van Tassel's reel-to-reel tapes.