Jack Wagner

And I asked him to come on and talk to me about which had merit and to see if there's any historical information that could be useful when it comes to this topic and basically help me understand how to think about all of this if something like Zozo did indeed exist. If you want to hear the full conversation, like I said, it's out now on our Patreon. That's patreon.com slash otherworld.

And I asked him to come on and talk to me about which had merit and to see if there's any historical information that could be useful when it comes to this topic and basically help me understand how to think about all of this if something like Zozo did indeed exist. If you want to hear the full conversation, like I said, it's out now on our Patreon. That's patreon.com slash otherworld.

once something becomes popular you know even if it's very real and happens legitimately to people there's also going to be people who want to get clicks on youtube off of it and just will fake things right like that's the nature of it that's why i like pretty much everything on paranormal tiktok is fake because youtube it's like you know i called the grinch at three in the morning type videos

once something becomes popular you know even if it's very real and happens legitimately to people there's also going to be people who want to get clicks on youtube off of it and just will fake things right like that's the nature of it that's why i like pretty much everything on paranormal tiktok is fake because youtube it's like you know i called the grinch at three in the morning type videos

once something becomes popular you know even if it's very real and happens legitimately to people there's also going to be people who want to get clicks on youtube off of it and just will fake things right like that's the nature of it that's why i like pretty much everything on paranormal tiktok is fake because youtube it's like you know i called the grinch at three in the morning type videos

Yeah. Anyway, so this this is a major like like this book is a major puzzle piece to this becoming big. And a lot of theories pop up surrounding Zozo from this book. That was a bit of a monologue for me. But I think we should dive into some of the other theories of like what people think this they call him Zozo, the Ouija board demon. Like, what do they think he is?

Yeah. Anyway, so this this is a major like like this book is a major puzzle piece to this becoming big. And a lot of theories pop up surrounding Zozo from this book. That was a bit of a monologue for me. But I think we should dive into some of the other theories of like what people think this they call him Zozo, the Ouija board demon. Like, what do they think he is?

Yeah. Anyway, so this this is a major like like this book is a major puzzle piece to this becoming big. And a lot of theories pop up surrounding Zozo from this book. That was a bit of a monologue for me. But I think we should dive into some of the other theories of like what people think this they call him Zozo, the Ouija board demon. Like, what do they think he is?

Where did this start in terms of like the lore of Zozo? I will help you on this as well. Um, but like to you, where do you think it started? Contemporary.

Where did this start in terms of like the lore of Zozo? I will help you on this as well. Um, but like to you, where do you think it started? Contemporary.

Where did this start in terms of like the lore of Zozo? I will help you on this as well. Um, but like to you, where do you think it started? Contemporary.

And this book, Dictionary Infernal, this was like almost like a non... Is it nonfiction? Would you consider it nonfiction? Maybe we're jumping ahead, but it's basically like a glossary of demons with very cool illustrations, I might add.

And this book, Dictionary Infernal, this was like almost like a non... Is it nonfiction? Would you consider it nonfiction? Maybe we're jumping ahead, but it's basically like a glossary of demons with very cool illustrations, I might add.

And this book, Dictionary Infernal, this was like almost like a non... Is it nonfiction? Would you consider it nonfiction? Maybe we're jumping ahead, but it's basically like a glossary of demons with very cool illustrations, I might add.

And how is Zozo mentioned in this book? Like what was the context and what did they say about it?

And how is Zozo mentioned in this book? Like what was the context and what did they say about it?

And how is Zozo mentioned in this book? Like what was the context and what did they say about it?

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All right, that brings us to the end of this preview. If you want to hear the full episode, which I believe is around an hour and a half long, you can hear it on our Patreon by signing up at patreon.com slash otherworld.

All right, that brings us to the end of this preview. If you want to hear the full episode, which I believe is around an hour and a half long, you can hear it on our Patreon by signing up at patreon.com slash otherworld.