Jackie Oshry

Like people are just so like obsessed with hating men.

So like, yeah, if we want to have like an actual critical conversation about that.

Sure.

At present, it just kind of feels like a pile on.

And I need to know what she did before I joined the pile on because right now it's giving mean girl.

yeah except that like it just seems like everyone in the industry hates her that's what's interesting and like when did that happen right everyone who was like going on her tour has been on her show like now saying they hate her yada yada so funny because i feel like we're the ones holding the line never got invited to shit never we've never been asked to be on call her daddy we've never been asked to be a part of her tour she has like largely gone out of her way to ignore us recently until recently because she asked you to do like the unwell vegas thing

Oh, yeah, she did ask me to do it.

But that was very recent.

And it was just a very low-paying gig, that's what I'll say, because I'll do anything.

And I think that's been a criticism of hers, that she wants to work with everyone and pay them well below...

what they're worth that's what I've heard from almost everybody I know who's worked with her is that they she gives like she sends offers out to everyone to distribute their podcasts to have them as talent to go to events and she doesn't pay them what they're worth meanwhile like she's you know benefiting the most from being a female in podcasting and she gets that 60 million dollar 125 million dollar deal so she's very proud and good for her like she gets what she's worth and then some yeah and then when it comes time for her to work with other talent she like grossly underpays them so that's why I think people in the industry like have a very negative

people didn't see it maybe now they will but like the alex earl thing like that was if you were following since the very beginning from the sofia franklin days like not really shocking yeah yeah so it's just um it's funny that we're holding the line here i know i just i'm like i feel like it's so ingrained in our dna like just to have like a little bit of like devil's advocate and i don't think it's unreasonable to say like i just want to know what she did first like i

No accusations have been made yet.

And I think I have a good feeling as to what they are based on just like me following this story for the last year or two.

But Alex sort of like needs to speak up stat.

No, but she, like she is, but she's been the villain the whole time.

Like she's acting now how she's always acted and people have been eating it up.

And now they just don't like it because it doesn't serve them.

Or I think that she's getting a little bit like James Courtney.

And it's like, I'm cool.