Jacob Howland

But one thing I wanted to say here, and I want to mention before I forget it, is that... So why... Sorry, go ahead with that.

Yes, indeed.

Yes, indeed.

Yes, indeed.

Yeah, so let me make another suggestion here. So you mentioned Marx, and what we see in Marx is an overestimation, a serious overestimation of the power of reason. And now reason understood as a productive and political principle. And, I mean, obviously there's a religious background because it's a secularization of the Christian story. Yeah. I think there are several elements here.

Yeah, so let me make another suggestion here. So you mentioned Marx, and what we see in Marx is an overestimation, a serious overestimation of the power of reason. And now reason understood as a productive and political principle. And, I mean, obviously there's a religious background because it's a secularization of the Christian story. Yeah. I think there are several elements here.

Yeah, so let me make another suggestion here. So you mentioned Marx, and what we see in Marx is an overestimation, a serious overestimation of the power of reason. And now reason understood as a productive and political principle. And, I mean, obviously there's a religious background because it's a secularization of the Christian story. Yeah. I think there are several elements here.

And by the way, this goes back to Plato's Republic as well. We can talk about that. But the idea is that, okay, we're going to have a heaven on earth. We're going to have a paradisical society where all men are brothers and so on.

And by the way, this goes back to Plato's Republic as well. We can talk about that. But the idea is that, okay, we're going to have a heaven on earth. We're going to have a paradisical society where all men are brothers and so on.

And by the way, this goes back to Plato's Republic as well. We can talk about that. But the idea is that, okay, we're going to have a heaven on earth. We're going to have a paradisical society where all men are brothers and so on.

But here's the problem. It is going to be realized by human political productive action. And the difficulty there is, so first of all, it's not emerging organically, okay? It's a political constructivism. So the best society will not emerge organically, but it's to be brought into being by man. Now, it's to be brought into being by man in a particular time and in a particular place.

But here's the problem. It is going to be realized by human political productive action. And the difficulty there is, so first of all, it's not emerging organically, okay? It's a political constructivism. So the best society will not emerge organically, but it's to be brought into being by man. Now, it's to be brought into being by man in a particular time and in a particular place.

But here's the problem. It is going to be realized by human political productive action. And the difficulty there is, so first of all, it's not emerging organically, okay? It's a political constructivism. So the best society will not emerge organically, but it's to be brought into being by man. Now, it's to be brought into being by man in a particular time and in a particular place.

Right, by a particular man. And when you put those constraints on it, you drastically limit the possibilities within that society. Because it's got to be producible. It's got to be sustainable. It's got to fit the particular parameters, all these kinds of things. Add on to that the delusion that human beings are not, in fact...

Right, by a particular man. And when you put those constraints on it, you drastically limit the possibilities within that society. Because it's got to be producible. It's got to be sustainable. It's got to fit the particular parameters, all these kinds of things. Add on to that the delusion that human beings are not, in fact...

Right, by a particular man. And when you put those constraints on it, you drastically limit the possibilities within that society. Because it's got to be producible. It's got to be sustainable. It's got to fit the particular parameters, all these kinds of things. Add on to that the delusion that human beings are not, in fact...

let's say, radically local beings who form the most meaningful bonds in particular ways.

let's say, radically local beings who form the most meaningful bonds in particular ways.

let's say, radically local beings who form the most meaningful bonds in particular ways.

But we're universal, right? Yeah, right. And finally, you have this kind of divinization of man, because after all, you know, well, we're going to realize heaven on earth.