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Jacob Kimmel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
972 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

They also don't go everywhere.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

It's not that we have examples of like a single viral species that infects every cell type in the body and we just need to engineer it to make it safe.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

We would have to also โ€“

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

engineer the virus to go to new cell types.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So there's some limitations there.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

LNPs likewise have some problems.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

They can go to tons of cell types.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

That's what largely we're working on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

We're super excited about it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

But there are some physical constraints.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

They just have a certain size, and they have to get from your bloodstream, out of your bloodstream, toward a given target cell, and they have to not fuse into any of the other cells along the way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So there's a whole gamut they have to run.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Ultimately, I think we're probably going to have to solve delivery the way that our own genome solved delivery.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So we have this same problem that arose during evolution, which is how do I patrol the body, find arbitrary signals in the environment, and then deliver some important cargo there when some set of events happens?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

How do I find a specific place and only near those cell types release my cargo?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And really, the problem was solved by the immune system.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So we have cell types in our body, T cells and B cells, which are effectively engineered by evolution to run around, invaginate whatever tissues they need to.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

They can climb almost anywhere in the bodies.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

There's nowhere they can't get access almost.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And then once they sense a particular set of signals, and they've got a very ornate circuitry to do this, they run basically an AND gate logic, they can release a dis-specified payload.