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Jacob Kimmel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

This is mostly examples taken from a wonderful book by Frederick Applebaum who trained with Don Thomas, the physician who invented human bone marrow transplants.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

There are many circumstances where patients got a bone marrow transplant and actually cured another disease they had as a result, maybe unanticipated, where it's even just the replacement of this one special cell type, HSCs, has knock-on effects throughout the body.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

You know, there were symptoms of these diseases that presented in myriad ways throughout their system, but ultimately its root cause was even just a single cell.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

There are counterexamples as well where you can go into animals

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

and break even just one gene in one specific subset of T cells.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

You can break a gene that encodes for a transcription factor in their mitochondria called TREM, and you actually dramatically shorten the lifespan of mice.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

One gene in one special type of C cells can give you that type of pathology.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so it sort of implies the inverse may also exist.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Yeah, I think it's one example because it is a hormone and your endocrine system coordinates a lot of the complex interplay between your tissues.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

I don't think the story is fully written yet on exactly why GLP-1 and GIP-1, you know, broadly incretin mimetic medicines like Ozempic have so many knock-on benefits.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

But I think they're a great example of this phenomenon.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

If someone told you, I'm going to find a single molecule and I'm going to drug it, and it's not only going to have benefits for weight loss, but also for cardiovascular disease, also possibly for addictive behavior, and maybe even preventing neurodegeneration, you would have told them they were crazy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And yet, just by acting on the small number of cells in your body which are receiving this signal, the interplay and the communication between those cells and the rest of your body seems to have many of these knock-on benefits.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So it's just one existence proof.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Very small numbers of cells in your body can have health benefits everywhere.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so even if cellular delivery does not emerge by 2100 as I imagine it will, then I still think that you're going to have the ability to add decades of healthy life to individuals by reprogramming the age of individual cell types and individual tissues.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Interesting.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

How many transcription factors?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

I think just a countable number.