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Jacob Kimmel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
972 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And that's actually increased in terms of the narrow scope of what medicines are addressing as we've gone forward in time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so this is sort of an ironic situation where we've gone from addressing pretty broad categories of disease like infectious disease to narrower and narrower genetically defined diseases that have small patient populations.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Because these only affect a few people, if you think about the value function of a medicine is how many years of healthy life does it give how many people?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

If how many people is pretty small, it just really bounds the amount of value you're able to generate.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So you need to then be able to find medicines that treat most people.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

All of us will one day get sick and die.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So arguably the TAM for any really successful medicine could be everybody on planet Earth.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So we need to find a way to be able to route toward medicines that address these very large populations.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

The second piece then is how do we actually build models that enable us to take the success in one medicine we've developed and lead that to an increased probability of success on the next medicine?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Traditionally, we haven't been able to do that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Maybe you're better at making an antibody for gene Y because you made one for gene X five years ago, but it turns out making an antibody isn't really the hard part of drug discovery.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Figuring out what to make an antibody to target is the hard thing about drug discovery.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

What gene do I intervene upon in order to actually treat a disease in a given patient?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Most of the time, we just don't know.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so that's why, even if a given drug firm becomes very good at making antibodies to gene X, they have a successful approval, when they then go to treat disease Y, they don't necessarily know what gene to go after.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And most of the risk is not in how do I make an antibody to treat my particular target.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

It's in figuring out what to target in the first place.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

In this particular case, if

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

we bound ourselves to, we must use small molecules as our modality, then there are lots of targets which are very difficult to drug.