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Jacob Kimmel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

The notion is that there's a lot of mutual information in biology, so if I measure something like most commonly, all the genes the cell is using at a given moment, which you can get by RNA sequencing,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

that I get a decent enough picture of most of the other complexity going on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so that I can, for instance, take a bunch of healthy cells and a bunch of cells that are in a diseased or aged state, and I'm able then to compare those profiles and say, okay, my diseased cells use these genes, my healthy cells use these.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Are there any interventions I can find that I'm able to do experimentally in the lab that shift one toward the other?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And then the hope would be because you're never going to be able to scan combinatorially all the possible groups of genes just to make that concrete.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

They're just going to be round with it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

But there's something like 20,000 genes in the genome.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

You can then choose, you know, however many genes in your combination you want.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

It's not crazy to think of hundreds at a time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

That's what transcription factors control.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

That's how development works.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So the number of possible combinations is truly astronomical.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

You just can't test it all.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So the hope would be that by doing some sparse sampling of those pairs, your inputs are here's what the cell looked like beforehand.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Here's the particular genes I perturbed.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

You have some measurement then of the state that the cell resulted in.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So here's which genes went up.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Here's which went down.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And then you can start to ask, once I've trained a model to predict from the perturbations to the output on the cell state, what would happen for some arbitrary combinations of genes?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And now in silico, I can search all possible things that one might do and potentially discover targets that take my disease cells back to something like healthy cells.