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Jacob Kimmel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Beyond just which genes do I want to move up and down and which gene perturbations do I put in, you then need to know, what cell state am I engineering for?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

What do I want

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

I love that one.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Potentially.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Potentially.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So the original procedure is created by a bunch of brilliant folks.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

There's a group in Ido Ahmed's lab at the Weizmann Institute, Aviv Regev's lab at the Broad, where Trey Dixit, a friend of mine, helped work on this, and then Jonathan Weizmann's lab at UCSF, where Britt Adamson did a lot of the early work.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

They all constructed this idea where you can go in and you label a perturbation that you're delivering to a cell.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So this is typically a transgenic perturbation, meaning you're integrating some new gene into the genome of a cell, and that turns another gene on or off.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

They used CRISPR, but there's lots of ways to do it, and the concept's pretty general.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And then you attach on that new transgene, that new gene you put into the genome of the cell, some barcode that you can read out by DNA sequencing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So now when you rip the cells open, you're able to not only measure every gene they're using, but you also sequence these barcodes and you know which genes you turned on and which are off.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So you can then start to ask questions like, well, I've turned on genes A, B, and C. What did it do to the rest of the cell?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So that's the general premise of the technology.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so it's useful to just set that up because it explains why this didn't all happen earlier.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

One, the actual readout, ripping the cells open and sequencing them, used to be pretty bad and it used to be really expensive.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And it's gotten much better over time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So the metric people often think about here is like cost per cell to sequence.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

It used to be measured in dollars and now it's measured in cents and down to the fractions of cents because that cost curve has made it...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

has improved dramatically.