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Jacob Kimmel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

There was a point even just six or seven years ago where the companies that made these reagents were publishing

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

the very first million-cell data set just as a proof of concept, and only they could do it as the constructors of the technology.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And now two scientists in our labs can generate that in an afternoon.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Maybe to play with the analogy a bit, imagine that you think about New Limit as an LLM company.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

If I'm going to put us in the shoes of Cursor, which, oh, so I wish.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Imagine we're trying to, in 2018, create Cursor Tab, but we're not trying to create a full LLM.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

I don't know enough about the underlying mechanics to know if that would have been feasible, but it's a much more feasible problem than trying to create their most recent cursor agent or compete with modern cloud code, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

I think that's roughly the equivalent where the problem we're breaking off is a subset of the more general virtual cell problem.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

We're trying to predict what do groups of transcription factors do to the age of very specific types of cells?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

We only work on a few cell types at New Limit because those are the only cell types where some of the only cell types today we believe we can get really effective delivery of medicines.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so we think they're just more important because we can act on them today.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

If we solve the problem of what TFs to use, we can make a medicine pretty quickly.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So in a way, we're carving out a region of this massive parameter space and saying, if we can learn the distribution of effects, even just in this small region, it's going to be really effective for us and we can make really amazing products unlike the world has ever seen.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And over time, we can expand to this more general corpus of predicting every possible gene perturbation in every possible cell type.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so I think that's maybe the way the analogy maps on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

But it is true that we are vertically integrating here.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

We're generating our own data in a way that's proprietary.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

We think we have a much, much larger data set for this particular regime than the rest of the world combined.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And that enables us to build what we think are the best models.