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Jacob Kimmel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
972 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So you end up with this happy medium, but that limits your total step size.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And then the number of variants you can screen in parallel is basically limited by your population size.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so for most of evolution, there were lots of forces constraining population size as well.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

One of the dominant source of selection on the genome is really prevention of infectious disease.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And it seems like when you study the history of early modern man, infectious disease is actually what shaped a lot of our population demographics.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so there's a lot of pressure pushing for those step sizes, those updates to the genome, really to be optimizing for protection against infectious disease rather than other things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so even if you imagine that maybe the arguments on the former and the first and the second of these possible, you know, positive selection being absent for longevity and potentially some negative selection existing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

You could, I think, construct a reasonable argument for why humans don't live forever, why the genome hasn't optimized for that, simply based on these optimization constraints.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

You have to imagine not only that the positive selection is there and the negative selection is absent, but that when you think about sort of the weighted loss term of all the things the genome is optimizing for, that the weight on longevity is high enough to matter.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so even if you imagine it's there, if you simply imagine that the lambdas are dialed toward infectious disease resilience more effectively, then you can construct an argument for yourself.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so I think really when you start to ask, why don't we live forever?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Why didn't evolution solve this?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

You actually have to think about an incredibly contingent scenario where both the positive selection is there, the negative selection is absent.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And you have a lot of our evolutionary pressure going toward longevity to solve this incredibly hard problem in order to construct the counterfactual in which longevity is selected for and does arise in modern man and in which we are optimal.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so I think that puts human aging and longevity and health really in this category of problem in which evolution has not optimized for it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Ergo, it should be, relatively speaking, relative to a problem evolution had worked on, easy to try and intervene and provide health.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And I think in many ways, the existence of modern medicines, which are incredibly simplistic, we are targeting a single gene in the genome and turning it off everywhere at the same time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And yet the fact that these provide massive benefit to individuals is another sort of positive emission or piece of evidence.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Yeah, it's actually an excellent question that I haven't heard posed before.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So we think about where do antibiotics come from?