Jacob Shymanski

leaf blowing in the wind type of vibe where it just kind of is what it is.

And it is emotionally detached just as much as its main character is.

And I think that's kind of the point.

When I interviewed David Siloy, he talked about the dialogue being especially having this hyper-realistic style.

And that's why they say okay all the time.

Sometimes conversations kind of go in circles in a way that feels realistic.

It's realistic and that's in a way refreshing in books.

But it's also, there's a reason people write the way they do.

Because sometimes we don't want realism.

Like sometimes you kind of want dialogue to be snappier because it's more entertaining.

And I think that's why this book sometimes feels a bit...

The people who determined the winner for the Booker Prize Award disagree with you because this was a Booker Prize winner this year.

It is emotionally passive.

I don't think that makes it less of a compelling book.

Yeah.

as I was reading it I had that the exact same thoughts that you did but I'm also thinking I've never read anything like this before like this is a very unique book and I encourage people to read it only because it is somewhat thought-provoking honestly you don't need to read the whole thing if you don't like it you don't need to do that for any book for that matter but I think there's a reason it won the Booker Prize because it is it's good for conversation it's a good book club book actually now that I'm thinking about it but interesting book to read over the holidays right now

It meant I practiced more bass guitar than I thought I was going to.

Do it at the same time.

That's how you know you're bored.

Red, we're going to wrap up this episode, but that starts off our year of 2026.