Jacob Szymanski

But the whole point was to sort of experience this new frontier of adventure and travel vicariously through a book.

And let's remember that explorers at the time were like the astronauts of the 1960s, you know.

And so James Cook would have been a fascinating person to follow, especially that these books were coming out, you know, not even five years after he'd returned from these journeys.

And these are incredible stories on their own of James Cook and all of these climbers that you've mentioned.

But it's such a travesty when somebody has a fascinating journey and doesn't document it.

And that's the beauty of these books is that they're not just historical records.

They can be just a really good, entertaining read.

And it didn't need that much polish either.

It was popular at the time to just sell the...

travel logs of just regular old sailors, but almost fully unedited in their own pensmanship that was written on the ship.

It was part of the mystique.

These like crumpled up little papers in a leather bound book.

They were very popular.

And to this day,

great resources but also just fascinating reads and you kind of get some insight of the dynamics on the ship and of the crew that they were working with and traveling with through the lens of an unreliable narrative because it's coming from one person who has opinions and all these people it's fascinating it's everything you want out of a book it's funny isn't it i know you and i are both massive fans of the book the wager and

Yeah, I was a bit embarrassed to bring it up because we bring it up so often.

But yes, it's a great example.

So we mentioned The Wager.

That's by David Graham.

Now, these books, everything that we mentioned so far for the most part has come out.