Jad Abumrad

That much?

Yeah.

It completely shut down the city for days.

And a massive crowd marches from Tafalbolewa Square, where there was a wake, to the shrine where the family was paying their last respects, and then to where he's now buried.

And there's footage of this on YouTube.

It's really kind of an amazing thing to behold, even from afar, the idea that this is a people's burial.

This is an entire country coming together to mourn the loss of this one man.

Yeah, I mean, you know, you and I are having this conversation the day after the Super Bowl and Bad Bunny, you know, gets out there and he ends his performance marching with people holding a series of flags from South America.

And I and everybody that was watching teared up because it was such a simple but powerful statement given what's happening in Minnesota.

And there is some way in which these horrible times, just to state it plainly,

do reinvest music with the power it should have had and should have all along.

And so I take that with me, that the art that we create, the culture that we create, it matters.

It's not just a thing that we use to escape and to divert our attention, but it can actually do something real in the world.

Yeah, it's quite a deep dive, but worth it, I hope.

Yeah, thank you so much, Terry, for having me on.

Hey, it's Latif, this is Radiolab.

Today, I'm gonna resurface a story with an interview that was one of, if not the hardest gets of my career.

It took me two years

of pestering.

I regularly pestered the guy's PR people, then his agent, his book agent, even him directly.