Jad Abumrad

Saying what?

That the newspapers, when they publicized that he was gay without his consent, they violated his privacy.

Okay, walking out of Civic Center, Burt.

It's just, it's one of those cases where it pulls your head in one direction and it pulls your heart in the exact opposite direction.

And so we wanted to get into the legal case files and we could not find them.

We looked and looked and looked and then we found them.

You found them?

We found them.

Where'd you find them?

So the clerk's office is, I guess, not surprisingly, right off City Hall.

They were at this court in San Francisco.

And so we recruited this guy, this researcher, historian of the, you know, gay movement in San Francisco, great name, Joey Plaster.

Okay.

Went and got the files for us.

And then when we found them, it turned out there were like thousands and thousands upon thousands of pages.

That's everything, okay.

So the issue, you know, it's a very fundamental issue for those of us in journalism.

And to help us make sense of the arguments, you know, lurking in those pages.

What is privacy and what is invasion of privacy?

We talked to Dan Morain.