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do reinvest music with the power it should have had and should have all along.

And so I take that with me, that the art that we create, the culture that we create, it matters.

It's not just a thing that we use to escape and to divert our attention, but it can actually do something real in the world.

Yeah, it's quite a deep dive, but worth it, I hope.

Yeah, thank you so much, Terry, for having me on.

Hey, it's Latif, this is Radiolab.

Today, I'm gonna resurface a story with an interview that was one of, if not the hardest gets of my career.

It took me two years

of pestering.

I regularly pestered the guy's PR people, then his agent, his book agent, even him directly.

I got multiple no's at multiple points.

And you're probably thinking, who is this guy?

Is it the president?

Is it a rock and roll hall of famer?

No, it was this humble, unassuming Canadian guy you've probably never even heard of.

But I had just fallen for his story so hard.

I knew I had to tell it.

So when I finally did get that yes, when I finally did interview him, the only time he offered to talk to me was when he was at home on dad duty and you could hear his kid banging on a piano in the background.

And I was like, oh, this audio is terrible.

Like I can't do this.