Jake
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01 is a game changer. Yes. It's the first real chain of thought production system that I think we've seen.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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in order to give the answer. This is called chain of thought. Right. And this is the underlying mega model that sits on top of the LLMs. And the mega model, effectively, the chain of thought approach is the model asks itself the question, how should I answer this question? Right. And then it comes up with an answer.
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And then it says, now, based on that, what are the steps I should take to answer the question? So the model keeps asking itself questions related to the structure of the question that you ask. And then it comes up with a series of steps that it can then call the LLM to do to fill in the blanks, link them all together and come up with the answer.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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It's the same way that a human train of thought works. And it really is the kind of, ultimate evolution of what a lot of people have said these systems need to become, which is a much more, call it intuitive approach to answering questions rather than just predictive text based on the single statement you made. And it really is changing the game and everyone is going to chase this and follow this.
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It is the new paradigm for how these AI kind of systems will work.
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This is like the photo in Back to the Future.
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By the way, it's not just call centers. I had a conversation with, I'm on the board of a company with the CEO the other day. And he was like, well, we're gonna hire an analyst that's gonna sit between our kind of retail sales operations and figure out what's working to drive marketing decisions. And I'm like, no, you're not.
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Like, I really think that that would be a mistake because today you can use O1 and describe, just feed it the data and describe the analysis you wanna get out of that data. And within a few minutes, and I've now done this probably a dozen times in the last week with different projects internally at my company,
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it gives you the entire answer that an analyst would have taken days to put together for you. And if you think about what an analyst's job has been historically is they take data and then they manipulate it.
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And the big evolution in software over the last decade and a half has been tools that give that analyst leverage to do that data manipulation more quickly, like Tableau and R and all sorts of different toolkits that are out there. But now you don't even need the analyst because the analyst is the chain of thought. It's the prompting from the model.
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And it's completely going to change how knowledge work is done. Everyone that owns a function no longer needs an analyst. The analyst is the model that's sitting on the computer in front of you right now. And you tell it what you want. And not days later, but minutes later, you get your answer. It's completely revolutionary in...
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ad hoc knowledge work as well as kind of this repetitive structured knowledge work.
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That's all reportedly out of some article, right? That's not like confirmed or anything.
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There was some article that reported this, right? None of us have firsthand.
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There's probably also an aspect of this that we can't predict what is going to work with respect to data structure. So right now, all of... all of the tooling for AI is on the front end.
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And we haven't yet unleashed AI on the back end, which is if you told the AI, here's all the data ingest I'm going to be doing from all these different points in my business, figure out what you want to do with all that data. The AI will eventually come up with its own data structure and data system. No, that's happening. That will look nothing like... No, no, that's already happening. Right.
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And so that's nothing like what we have... today, in the same vein that we don't understand how the translation works in an LLM, we don't understand how a lot of the function works, a lot of the data structure and data architecture, we won't understand clearly, because it's going to be obfuscated by the model driving the development.
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So maybe it's being done, right.
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You can't raise $6 billion without probably meeting with a few dozen firms. And some number of junior people in those few dozen firms are having a conversation or two with reporters. So you can kind of see how it gets out.
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This is the Rogan clip? No, this is Congress. Watch this. This is what is in Congress.
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No.
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And do you think this could become an absolutely zero idea? I have no idea what they're doing. I don't know how they're converting a nonprofit to a for profit. None of us have the details on this. There's there may be significant tax implications, payments they need to make. I don't think any of us know. I certainly don't. I don't know if there's actually a real benefit here.
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If there is, I'm sure everyone would do it. No one's doing it. So there's probably a reason why it's difficult. I don't know.
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Did Elon actually put in $50? Did he put in $50 million?
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The argument that I heard was that Elon was given the opportunity to invest along with Reid, along with Vinod. And he declined to participate in the for-profit investing side that everyone else participated in.
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Well, I think it ties in a lot to the AI discussion because I think we're really witnessing this big shift from this big transition in computing, probably the biggest transition since mobile. You know, we moved from mainframes to desktop computers. Everyone had kind of this computer on their desktop, but you used a mouse and a keyboard to control it.
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Yeah. A bunch of comments asking. Jake, why do you call it Alex Jones?
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To mobile, where you had a keyboard and clicking and touching on the screen to do things on it. And now to what I would call this kind of ambient computing method. And, you know, I think the big difference is control and response. In directed computing, you're kind of telling the computer what to do. You're controlling it. You're using your mouse or your keyboard to go to this website.
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So you type in a website address. Then you click on the thing that you want to click on. And you kind of keep doing a series of work to get the computer to go access the information that you ultimately want to achieve your objective. But with ambient computing, you can more kind of cleanly state your objective without this kind of directive process. You can say, hey, I...
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I want to have dinner in New York next Thursday at a Michelin star restaurant at 5.30. Book me something and it's done. And I think that there are kind of five core things that are needed for this to work, both in control and response. It's voice control, gesture control, and eye control are kind of the control pieces that replace, you know, mice and clicking and touching and keyboards.
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And then response is audio and kind of integrated visual. which is the idea of the goggles. Voice control works. Have you guys used the OpenAI voice control system lately? I mean, it is really incredible. I had my earphones in and I was like doing this exercise. I was trying to learn something. So I told OpenAI to start quizzing me on this thing. And I just did a 30 minute walk.
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And while I was walking, it was asking me quiz questions and I would answer it and tell me I was right or wrong. It was really this incredible dialogue experience. So I think the voice controls there I don't know if you guys have used Apple Vision Pro, but gesture control is here today. You can do single finger movements with Apple Vision Pro. It triggers actions. And eye control is incredible.
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You look at the letters you want to have kind of spelled out or you look at the thing you want to activate and it does it. So all of the control systems for this ambient computing are there.
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And then the AI enables this kind of audio response where it speaks to you and the big breakthrough that's needed that I don't think we're quite there yet, but maybe Zuck is highlighting that we're almost there and Apple Vision Pro feels like it's almost there, except it's big and bulky and expensive is integrated visual where the ambient visual interface is always there and you can kind of engage with it.
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So there's this big change. I don't think that mobile handsets are gonna be around in 10 years. I don't think we're gonna have this like phone in our pocket that we're like, pressing buttons on and touching and telling it where on the browser to go to, the browser interface is gonna go away.
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I think so much of how computing is done, how we integrate with data in the world and how the computer ultimately fetches that data and does stuff with it for us is gonna completely change to this ambient model.
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So I'm pretty excited about this evolution, but I think that what we're seeing with Zuck, what we saw with Apple Vision Pro and all of the OpenAI demos, they all kind of converge on this very incredible shift in computing. that will kind of become this ambient system that exists everywhere all the time.
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And I know folks have kind of mentioned this in the past, but I think we're really seeing it kind of all come together now with these five key things.
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I saw Joe Rogan 25 years ago doing stand-up. I have a photo with him at the club. It was like a small club in San Francisco and we hung out with him afterwards. He was just like a nobody back in the day. He was like a stand-up guy, right? Now he's a media uber star.
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You need some visual interface. I think the question is, where is the visual interface? Is it in the wall?
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Well, when you're asking, I want to watch Chamath on Rogan. I don't just want to hear, I want to see. When I want to visualize stuff, I want to visualize it. I want to look at the food I'm buying online. I want to look at pictures of the restaurant I'm going to go to.
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Fear Factor, that's right.
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If you think about like, so take the constraints on, I don't need a keyboard because I'm not gonna be typing stuff. I don't need a normal browser interface. You could see a device come out that's almost like smaller than the palm of your hand that gives you enough of the visuals and all it is is a screen with maybe two buttons on the side. And it's all audio driven.
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I feel like that's where he blew up. UFC, yeah.
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You put a headset in and you're basically just talking or using gesture or looking at it to kind of describe where you want things to go. And it can create an entirely new computing interface because AI does all of these incredible things with predictive text, with gesture control, with eye control, and with audio control.
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And then it can just give you what you want on a screen and all you're getting is a simple interface. So Chamath, you may be right. It might be a big watch or a handheld thing that's much smaller than an iPhone. And just all it is is a screen with nothing.
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I think social fabric's more affected by people staring at their phones all the time. You sit on a bus, you sit at a restaurant, you go to dinner with someone and they're staring at their phone. Like spouses, friends, we all deal with it where you feel like you're not getting attention from the person that you're interfacing with in the real world because they're so connected to the phone.
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If we can disconnect the phone, but still take away this kind of addictive feedback loop system, but still give you this computing ability in a more ambient way that allows you to remain engaged in the physical world. I think everyone would feel a lot better about it. You could say it.
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And that's the opportunity. If you guys play with Apple Vision Pro, have any of you actually used it to any extent? No, I used it for a day.
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Right, which I get, but I do think that it has these tools in it, similar to the original Macintosh had these incredible graphics editors like MacPaint and all these things that people didn't get addicted to at the time, but they became this tool that completely revolutionized everything in computing later. and fonts and so on.
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But like this, I think has these tools, Apple Vision Pro, with gesture control, and the keyboard and the eye control, those aspects of that device highlight where this could all go, which is this, these systems can kind of be driven without keyboards without typing, without like, you know, moving your finger around without clicking.
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You don't need to control the computer anymore. The computer now knows what you want. And then the computer can just go and do the work.
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How is OpenAI worth $150 billion? Can anyone...
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Look at the Apple Newton, dude. The Apple Newton is like perfect. Exactly, people forget about that. And then it turns out, hey, you throw away the stylus and you got an iPhone, right? And everything gets a million X better.
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Should we make the bull case and the bear case?
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99, 2000, that era.
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Anyway, we're definitely on this path to ambient computing. I don't think this whole like, hey, you got to control a computer thing is anything my kids are going to be doing in 20 years.
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It's the same thing.
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External stakeholders, yeah. So like the environment or society or whatever. But from all other kind of legal tax factors, it's the same as a C Corp.
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Well, yeah, I think the market's definitely correcting itself. I think for years, as Chamath said, there was kind of this belief that if you went to college, there was, regardless of the college, there was this outcome where you would make enough money to justify the debt you're taking on. And I think folks have woken up to the fact that that's not reality.
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Again, if there was a free market, remember, most people go to college with student loans and all student loans are funded by the federal government. So the cost of education has ballooned and the underwriting criteria necessary for this free market to work has been completely destroyed because of the federal spending in the student loan program.
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There's no discrimination between one school or another. You can go to Trump University Or you could go to Harvard, it doesn't matter, you still get a student loan, even if at the end of the process, you don't have a degree that's valuable. And so I think folks are now waking up to this fact and the market is correcting itself, which is good.
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I'll also say that I think that there's this premium with generally mass production and industrialization of the human touch. And what I mean is, if you think about, hey, you could go to the store and buy a bunch of cheap food off of the store shelves, you could buy a bunch of Hershey's chocolate bars.
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Or you can go to a Swiss chocolate here in downtown San Francisco, pay $20 for a box of handmade chocolates, you'll pay that premium for that better product. Same with clothes, there's this big trend and kind of handmade clothes and high end luxury goods spoke artisanal Artisanal, handmade. And similarly, I think that there is a premium in human service, in the partnership with a human.
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It's not just about blue collar jobs. It's about having a waiter talk to you and serve you. If you go to a restaurant, instead of having a machine spit out the food to you, there's an experience associated with that that you'll pay a premium for. There's hundreds and hundreds of microbreweries in the United States that in aggregate outsell Budweiser and Miller and even Modelo today.
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And that's because they're handcrafted by local people and there's an artisan craftsmanship. So while technology and AI are going to completely reduce the cost of a lot of things and increase the production and productivity of those things... One of the complementary consequences of that is that there will be an emerging premium for human service.
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And I think that there will be an absolute burgeoning and blossoming in the salaries and the availability and demand for human service in a lot of walks of life. Certainly there's all the work at home, the electricians and the plumbers and so on, but also fitness classes, food, personal service around tutoring and learning and developing oneself.
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There's going to be an incredible blossoming, I think, in human service jobs, and they don't need to have a degree in poli sci to be performed. I think that there will be a lot of people that will be very happy in that world.
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Well, these are in-person human jobs. So if I want to do a fitness class, do I want to stare at the tonal?
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I think that there's an aspect of... Look, it's like your Laura Piana. You talk about the story of Laura Piana. Where is the vicuña coming from? How's it made? Who's involved in it? Yes, look, you're... Oh, God. Look at those. Here he goes.
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I could give you truffle flavoring out of a can, but you love the white truffles. You want to go to Italy. You want the storytelling. There's an aspect to it, right? Yes. And I think that there's an aspect of humanity that we pay a premium, that we do and will. Look, Etsy crushes. I don't know how much stuff you guys buy on Etsy. I love buying from Etsy. I love finding handmade stuff on Etsy.
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Patagonia.
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No, you don't. Do you really?
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Handcrafted? Yeah, handmade. So I think that there's an aspect of this that in a lot of walks of life. I mean, I have so many jokes right now.
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Have you guys taken music lessons lately? My kids do piano lessons, and so last year I started ducking in to do a 45-minute piano lesson with the piano teacher. There's just like a great aspect to paying for these services. It's fascinating you bring that up. Oh, here we go.
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Did you see that interview with Bob Dylan? I don't know when it was, recently, about how... Oh, and Ed Bradley, that clip?
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About magic?
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Let me just tell you something. I think there's going to be a big war. I think by the time this show airs, Israel's incursion into Lebanon is going to get bigger. It's going to escalate. And by next week, we could be in a full-blown multinational war in the Middle East.
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And if I am, you know, a betting man, I would bet that the odds are, you know, more than 30, 40% that this happens before the election, that this conflict in the Middle East escalates.
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And here's the situation. I really hope you're wrong. If Israel incurs further into Lebanon going after Hezbollah, And Iran ends up getting involved in a more active way. Does Russia start to provide supplies to Iran like we are supplying to Ukraine today? Does this sort of bring everyone to a line?
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Just to give you a sense of the scale of what Israel could then respond with, Iran has 600,000 active duty military, another 350,000 in reserve. They have dozens of ships, they have 19 submarines, they have a 600 kilometer range missile system.
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Israel has 170,000 active duty and half a million reserve personnel, 15 warships, five submarines, potentially up to 400 nuclear weapons, including a very wide range of tactical sub one kiloton nuclear weapons, small payload. You could see that if Israel starts to feel incurred upon further, they could respond in a more aggressive way with what is by far and away
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the most significantly stocked arsenal and military force in the Middle East. Again, we've talked about what are these other countries going to do? What is Jordan going to do in this situation? How are the Saudis going to respond? What is Russia going to do?
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Well, you know, so just to give you a sense- It's insane.
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Yeah. So the nuclear bombs that were set off during World War II, I just want to show you how crazy this is. Do you see that image on the left? that all the way over on the left, that's a bunker buster. You guys remember those from Afghanistan and the damage that those bunker buster bombs caused? Hiroshima is a 15 kiloton nuclear, and you can see the size of it there on the left.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
That's a zoom in of the image on the right. And the image on the right starts to show the biggest ever tested was Tsar Bomba by the Soviets. This was a 50 megaton bomb. It caused shockwaves that went around the earth three times. They could be felt as seismic shockwaves around the earth three times from this one detonation. Today, there are a lot of
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
0.1 to one kiloton nuclear bombs that are kind of considered these tactical nuclear weapons that kind of fall closer to between the bunker buster and the Hiroshima. And that's really where a lot of folks get concerned that if Israel or Russia or others get cornered in a way, and there's no other tactical response that that is what then gets pulled out.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
Now, if someone detonates a 0.1 or one kiloton nuclear bomb, which is gonna look like a mega bunker buster, what is the other side and what's the world gonna respond with? That's how on the brink we are. And there's 12,000 nuclear weapons with an average payload of 100 kilotons around the world. The US has a large stockpile. Russia has the largest. Many of these are hair trigger alert systems.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
China has the third largest. And then Israel and India and so on. It is a very concerning situation because if anyone does get pushed to the brink that has a nuclear weapon and they pull out a tactical nuke, does that mean that game is on? And that's why I'm so nervous about where this all leads to if we can't decelerate. It's very scary because you can very quickly see this thing accelerate.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
The bull case would be that the moat in the business with respect to model performance and infrastructure gets extended with the large amount of capital that they're raising. They aggressively deploy it. They are very strategic and tactical with respect to how they deploy that infrastructure.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
The waltz into World War III. is what it should be called.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
to continue to improve model performance and as a result, continue to extend their advantage in both consumer and enterprise applications, the API tools and so on that they offer. And so they can maintain both kind of model and application performance leads that they have today. Across the board, I would say like the O1 model,
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
Their voice application, Sora has not been released publicly, but if it does, and it looks like what it's been demoed to be, it's certainly ahead of the pack. So there's a lot of aspects of of open AI today that kind of makes them a leader.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
And if they can deploy infrastructure to maintain that lead and not let Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and others catch up, then their ability to use that capital wisely keeps them ahead. And ultimately, as we all know, there's a multi-trillion dollar market to capture here, making lots of verticals, lots of applications, lots of products. So they could become a true kind of global player here.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
Plus the extension into computing, which I'm excited to talk about later when we get into this computing stuff.
Dateline NBC
Unchecked Evil
When was the last time you talked to her? Probably a week and a half ago. Is that normal? Well, not usually. I talk to her every day, but we're breaking up, kind of.
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Unchecked Evil
It was just we didn't have enough time, really, for each other. We had to focus on school.
Dateline NBC
Unchecked Evil
Okay, Jake, let me ask you this. Don't take this the wrong way. Why in the world would you write that you're in a better place? Well, can I see what I am? I was talking to her like she, like, I don't know, like she's in heaven. You just don't hear it very often, better place when somebody was living a good life.
Dateline NBC
Unchecked Evil
Well, no, I know, but if I were to go today, I would know that I would go somewhere better. That's just what I believe, so...
First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show
Why is Jake ghosting Raquel?
Oh. I'm doing fine. Why are you guys calling from a radio station?
First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show
Why is Jake ghosting Raquel?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I know who it is. Who? It's Raquel.
First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show
Why is Jake ghosting Raquel?
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, you know, look, first of all, Raquel is super hot. I thought the cake and cocktails idea was like super cute, but Um, like it felt like a job interview, you know, like it felt like she was asking all these questions and like sometimes like before you wouldn't have a chance to finish the answer.
First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show
Why is Jake ghosting Raquel?
It was like, it just felt like she was trying to see if I fit her template of like the perfect guy template, you know? And it was like, it literally felt like a job interview. It was like, you know, what are your strengths and weaknesses? Uh, asking about my family to like, she asked about the relationship with my mom. Like, I was like, I just met you 20 minutes ago.
First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show
Why is Jake ghosting Raquel?
So it just, I get that girls want to know that stuff. But on the first date, like, and then, I mean, asking about my astrological sign, that's fine. But it just, I was like, it just felt like it was coming on too strong. Like it, I was just kind of like, you know, I, In my mind, I was like, have more game. You know, have more game. Damn.
First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show
Why is Jake ghosting Raquel?
Oh, I didn't realize you were on the phone.
First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show
Why is Jake ghosting Raquel?
Yeah, yeah. I mean, no, I get like dating is awkward. It's like an awkward thing to do. It's kind of weird. So, I mean, I, I feel that. But yeah, I mean, I'm sorry that I didn't respond. I just was kind of like, honestly, I didn't think I was really interested again. But, you know, I mean, yeah, that's kind of how I was feeling. That's why I didn't respond.
First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show
Why is Jake ghosting Raquel?
I totally agree. I think it's less, maybe it's less...
First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show
Why is Jake ghosting Raquel?
the questions I mean some of the questions were a little bit much but like it's more like the style and the like it just felt like she was reciting a list it was like okay so that's about your job so tell me about your mom okay well then tell me about like what's your sign it was like as if that's what I mean like it wasn't so much like those are those are totally valid questions to ask it just was like it felt like I was like a candidate to be her husband
First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show
Why is Jake ghosting Raquel?
Yeah, I mean, I'm open to it. Like, I feel like, again, like, honestly, it's my bad. Like, I should have communicated that to you, perhaps. But you know how dating is. Like, sometimes it's just easier just to, like, move on. But, you know, you seem like a nice person, and I'm glad that we had this opportunity to clear this up.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Yeah, and come to think of it, as you were talking about that right now, I actually did think about a specific example from a friend. I have a friend that's chronically late, and so whenever she's kind of coming over and she was like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm always so late and stuff like that, I think I had said to her at one point, I'm like, oh, no, you're totally punctual. What are you talking about?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
I've never seen you go late to anything. Right. Yeah, exactly.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
present and your best version of you and then we add uh we add some flirting 10 20 at most of the conversation is the the fun flirty stuff yeah gotcha yeah and so and typically I think I had mentioned to you I think one more as well that I thought like just fit with my humor style which was just kind of observational humor which is kind of like looking around at different things I know you gave the one example about the girl putting like a whole bunch of uh sugar
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
don't you?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Yeah, and that makes a lot of sense and I appreciate the examples that you gave there because I think that helps and I'm already thinking because I had mentioned before we kind of started recording the call that I had, I'm doing speed dating tonight for the second time before in my life and so I was thinking it's like, oh, the observational humor might be useful for the speed dating because it's in a little brewery bar with like kind of a nice outdoor area and there's always kind of like interesting things going on there so I was kind of thinking about like, okay, how can I
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
How can I use that in those moments as well?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
So essentially what it's going to be is I think we start at seven and I think they have a certain amount of tables set up where they'll have the little like conversational cue cards. If you need them, like in the center of the table, you'll have your own little cue card that you have your name on it. And then there's also what your interest is, age and what you do.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
And, uh, like you can share that with the date if you need to or want to. And then I think you have around seven minutes to talk to that one person at your table and then you move on to the next person. Then you have another seven minutes just to kind of have that conversation and kind of so on and so forth.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
That's called a push-pull.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Essentially. Yeah. I think that's probably how it works.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
917.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Okay. Yeah. I like those tips, especially the first one about the compliment at the end, because I felt like it's like, I'll think about it sometimes. Like I can recognize even in certain other situations, like where I'm like, I think a compliment and maybe I'll even vocalize it to like somebody else as I'm like kind of talking, but it's like very rare that I'm like, I think it and then I say it.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
And so I liked that because that kind of gives me that thought of like, okay, I want to remember to do this.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Awesome. And with the speed dating too, because I can't remember exactly what I talked about in the one that I was in a while ago, but what would you say are some like really good, uh, short conversations to stick to that kind of make you memorable?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
So, cause I know it's not, there's not like a whole lot of time to dive too much into it, but what make, what kind of conversations can you have that kind of make it just an enjoyable seven minutes?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Yeah. I like that. And I was thinking too, and I don't know what your thoughts are on this. I had on my, my dating profile and I also, I like this question because I think it kind of elicits an interesting response is like, if you could freeze time for a day, what would you do with that time that you had?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
It's definitely helpful.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
yeah and then the other thing and this probably is with speed dating i don't know if there would be an opportunity to do this or not but i was thinking about it as we were talking and we were talking about flirting is the idea of kind of like physical touch um so that's been something like i've never really been like a very touchy feely sort of person uh with family and things like that so it's something that's been very foreign to me so i've been trying to get a little bit better at it
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
And so I've been kind of trying to kind of like laying a light hand on my shoulder on her shoulder when she says something funny or when we're laughing about something together or kind of like just trying to grab her hand to look at a ring or something like that when we're talking about that and just little things like that.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
And I've been noticing it's like it's something I have to like consciously think about in order to be able to do it. So it's just like it's just so much in my head that it makes it difficult to just kind of like let it happen naturally. Is that something that you find like just fascinating? through practice gets a little bit more natural and it's not such a thought.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
I did. I listened to something you had recorded today, but I actually did it like a few months back because I read something and I'm like, oh, this is something that I can do here with that.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Yeah, so, Connell, one of the things I've been noticing I've been struggling with probably for a very long time, but it's just become more noticeable to me now that I've really kind of started to focus on dating a little bit, is kind of initiating humor, flirtation, teasing, that sort of thing, just in not only just day-to-day conversations, but specifically with women that I want to be dating or women that I am dating.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Yeah. And I'm assuming even with like speed dating, if the opportunity does present itself, then it is okay to kind of initiate that form of physical touch as well. Or is it something that it's like, Hey, because it is so small, maybe not.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Awesome.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
So I've gotten a little bit better at least with just kind of being able to hold interesting conversation, asking intriguing questions, that kind of stuff. But the conversation just kind of goes like I'm talking to like just anybody else. If it's a friend, if it's a family member, like it's like I don't really change a whole lot with the exception of an occasional comment.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
yeah and so i i think that is very helpful that kind of gives me some ideas of where to go with like kind of like the speed dating tonight and kind of seeing seeing how that works out i think i just need to kind of do a little more practicing with some of that stuff and uh i had one other thing that i wanted to bring up with you as well just because it's something that i noticed in one of my friends that i thought it was really cool how he's able to do this and i know it's probably more natural for him uh is charisma
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
um and i can describe it with him with vivid detail like he'll when he comes into the room he just has like this um aura about him essentially where it's like he's Like smiling, having a great time, just like and when he's talking to you or when you're talking to him, essentially, it's just like you feel like kind of a little bit of how would I describe this feeling?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
It's kind of like comfortable, I guess, is the best word for it. You feel like you're immediately comfortable with talking to him. And like even some of his stories, the way he kind of tells the stories always seem to like catch people's attention, right? And so I know some people just have that very naturally. Some people are just very good at practicing it and building it up.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
But I think my challenge, and I think the reason why I wanted to talk about this with you is because I feel like sometimes that can be helpful for me when it comes to dating because I don't want to feel so nervous. I want to feel more just relaxed in myself. And I feel like that's part of why he comes off that way.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
right and so is there anything not even just in like how you talk with someone but how you kind of present yourself body language wise that you feel like is kind of helpful and kind of building that for yourself yeah take up some space sit up straight these are very probably pretty basic things yeah i'm not i'm not inventing the wheel right now no but
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
So flirting and basically the teasing aspect is challenging for me. And the funny thing is, is I can do it if somebody else initiates it. Like I have a pretty decent idea of how to respond with that kind of stuff. But for whatever reason, I just kind of have a block when it comes to figuring out, okay, like not only when to initiate it, but what are some like kind of good times to do that?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Yeah. I guess probably where some of the challenges is coming from for me there is maybe it is the nerves come to think of it as I'm thinking is when you're talking about just kind of being more authentic and just being able to speak about what you like and kind of carrying your voice and things like that.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
I think thinking back on some of the other dates, probably nerves maybe got in the way a little bit of just kind of just being authentic and being not, not like What's the word I'm looking for here? There's like kind of a barrier between me being comfortable on the date. And so it's I feel like that might be part of the problem there.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
So it's kind of like even if I'm on the date and I've peaked the woman's interest a little bit and I'm just kind of getting to know her a little bit, it's more of a get to know you rather than kind of building that romantic tension, so to speak. And I've definitely noticed that because I've gotten a lot of like, hey, this was great, but I'm just not feeling that spark.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Because even when I'm thinking about the one friend that I was mentioning, like when we're talking and like he's asking you a question, he seems genuinely interested in what you have to say. Yes.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Awesome. Yeah, that's really good to know too, because I think it's just something I think I do get very much in my head sometimes, especially with like a first date of like, okay, what do I say next? And what's something that I can do to make her laugh? And I feel like that takes away from me being my genuine self and actually is counterintuitive to what I'm trying to do essentially.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
So that's actually kind of good to hear from you as well.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Essentially. Yeah. It's what do I say next? Uh, Oh gosh, like I'm running out of things to say, Oh gosh, was that like, is this going to be funny or not? That kind of stuff. So that's kind of like where my brain goes to.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
So intentionally compliments, I've started to do a little bit more from like when I was, I can't, I think when I was reading your book,
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Yeah, I appreciate that, Connell. Thank you. I think a lot of this has been really helpful, and it's given me some pretty good tools to be able to work with tonight.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Awesome. I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
So essentially it was like, I got to the homework assignment on one of the chapters or it was like, give compliments. So I was trying to be a little bit more aware of like, okay, like I saw a girl today that was at my dog daycare that had a little tattoo of a paw on her arm. And so I'm like, okay, this kind of sounds like, it seems like it's the Her dog. That was my assumption.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Will do.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
I'm like, oh, is that the tattoo of your dog's paw? That is really cool. And she got like really excited and started talking about it. So I've been doing good with that. And occasionally, like when people initiate a little bit of teasing or a little bit of like sarcastic sense of humor, I can kind of dish it right back.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
So something I'm trying to think of an example of when that happened recently, but it's blanking right now.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
I can do it with my friends, sometimes my closer friends. So like I have one friend who he's also a very sarcastic sort of person. And so generally the primary way I'll tease him is... about his teaching style, so to speak, because he's a teacher. And essentially, he's very sarcastic with his students and everything like that.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
So I'll kind of poke fun at him with some of the things that he does because he knows he's kind of a dick, so to speak, with some of his students. So it's kind of like something like that. I can't remember a specific example.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Perfect example.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
Yeah, I would definitely say so. And it's interesting you bring up the pronunciation because I actually had somebody on a little bit of a different story, a dating app. One of her hinge prompts was don't hate me if I pronounce the L in salmon. So it's Solomon, basically. And so I was thinking about that, actually. I'm like, how do I use this to my advantage here? Because I don't say it like that.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
So I think that actually, I think that probably would help in that aspect of things.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
And I guess that actually is the next question I wanted to ask about that too. So if it is something where it's like you make the attempt to tease and you notice it's taken maybe a little bit more poorly than you'd hoped, how do you recover from that? Because I think that's one of my challenges there is being a little nervous to do it
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
First, just because I'm not really sure what the reaction is going to be.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
yeah great questions thank you yeah and i know that you were saying that the teasing was kind of one part of flirting and i think part of with that situation and i might be getting in my own head on this a little bit too when it comes to this is like i'm thinking it's like okay are there certain moments, certain things to look out for. Kind of like what you're saying about the Nickelback.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Tongue-Tied with Women? Become a Funny Flirt with 3 Simple Moves and Get Her Giggling! (Live Coaching with Jake)
If I'm finding something that I personally don't like teasing about, it can be kind of a good way of doing that as well. So like with other forms of flirting. So I know you had sent me a list the other day of different forms of just like humor and things like that.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
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So if I were to be doing something like sarcasm or something like that, how would that be a little bit different in terms of things like that?
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It was kind of a last-minute date that I set up, and me and this girl met at this little downtown, just outside the city vineyard place and had this Latin dance night that I didn't even know was going on, or actually learned about it just before. And I'd done a couple of Latin dance classes back then,
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a few years ago when I was trying to learn, you know, some different skills that would be useful in dating and I'm not, not a great dancer, but just being able to, I think coming off this high of, of, wow, I've got these matches, I've got these, um, you know, I'm, I feel, feeling like I'm having some success. Um, just went into this date really confident and, um,
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was able to, you know, have some conversations with this girl and, and we went to the dance floor and by no means was, was, uh, you know, tearing up the floor, but just being able to have fun and, you know, went really well. We were dancing and kissing and, and it just was, it was a, it was like one of the first experiences where I was like, oh man, this is a girl I literally met
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30 minutes ago, and she's already just like, we're having a great time, having fun. And yeah, it was amazing to see that that was possible for me.
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Yeah, for sure. I think, I think I knew that that higher self existed, but I couldn't figure out how to bring it out. When I was dating, when I was dating, I was just in this. Yeah, the creepy loser mindset of I'm not doing this right. I'm not doing that right. And it really took, it took a handful of dates, um, I think that was maybe somewhere around the 10th date I'd been on.
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And so it took a little bit of time to get comfortable with that. But once I got there, it was a lot easier to get there again because I just had a feeling for what that looked like.
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Yeah, I remember that. That was a big kind of shift for me because I found myself going into dates feeling like If I wasn't performing at the top level for the entire date, it was going to be a failure and it was going to be my fault. I remember you telling me, 80% of the conversation can be kind of boring.
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Yeah, yeah. Well, I think – yeah, I mean what it came down to was I think one of the big things that was holding me back was my just fear of being boring and uninteresting. I thought that I had to be super interesting to a girl for her to be attracted to me when it was really – I just needed to show up as myself and be a interesting, like just normal person.
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Yeah. Yeah. Um, and, but then it, it did give me, it gave me freedom to when I did think of something funny, I could throw it in there and it would, it would be a great moment. Yeah. Yeah.
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Oh, man. It's kind of a meme for me this year, but been into Creed this year. Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was definitely, I remember going on dates beforehand, like before working with you was just very high anxiety through most of the date. Whereas now,
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afterward especially it was just a lot more relaxing like i could i could start to say am i having like am i interested in this girl as opposed to constantly thinking about am i performing am i doing a good job it's just am i having am i enjoying it because there were there were some there were some dates where not going well And because we just weren't a good fit.
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And previously, I would think I'm no good. I'm a lousy dating person. I'm not attractive. But kind of as the year went on, I just was able to be a little bit more comfortable with – I'm – Maybe this girl isn't for me. And it made the ones where I did connect with them all that much more exciting because it was, oh, wow, there's a connection here. I can feel it.
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Yeah, definitely. It was just constant.
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Yeah, for sure. And just being able to be more comfortable. There's things that I enjoy talking about. Bringing those up and being comfortable with that and feeling like this is who I am. Let's see if she's into me and my true self.
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I think one that I remember is just sort of spiking the conversation and, you know, maybe talking about something totally different. Um, but just like finding, finding the right way to just throw something in there that, that turns it into man to woman. Like I remember there was this one girl that I went out with and, uh, we were talking about bands and, and.
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That may have come up, but that's confidence.
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Yeah. So listen to this. She, she says she, I was like, so what was your, like, what was your, like, you know, favorite band in, in high school? And she's like, I think it may have been Nickelback. Yeah. Okay. You know, previously I would have just, Oh, that's funny. That's that's yeah. I like Nickelback too.
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But I was like, I really kind of leaned into it and I was like, wow, you just got so much more attractive to me that she liked Nickelback. And just like a little, little comments like that, that, um, cause it genuinely was, it was, it was, it was funny to hear her say that, but also, um, I was like, okay, this is a girl that is not afraid to say what she's interested in.
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And so it just – it stuck out to me and I was able to – sort of when I noticed something that was attractive to me, I was like, I pointed it out and actually said it out loud. Nice. And it, it, it, you can just feel the momentum building. Um, cause you're, you're, and, and, you know, another girl like went out with a nurse one time and, and,
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and like we were talking about something and she was talking about her nursing job and I was, I was thinking about it and I was, I just kind of stopped. I was like, sorry, I was, I was just thinking about, you probably look really cute in scrubs. Nice. And I remember this.
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Yeah. Yeah. And, and it was just like, um, and I'm not being, you know, I'm, I'm not being this, um, you know, sex hungry dude, but it was just kind of these little comments that I was like, I think I was speaking authentically. Right. Um, it was, it was doing it in sort of a funny, funny joking manner.
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And, um, and you know, we went back to talking about other things and, um, but it was just little, little moments, little comments that, uh, show that I was interested in, um, showed that I thought she was attractive. I found those to be things that my previous lower self would say, oh, what if she doesn't like that? And my higher self was, let those things fly.
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Yeah, for sure. I think it was the first time I'd been to New York City, so it really helped. I just got into this vibe of I'm here for a few days. I'm just going to lay it all on the table and try to have as much fun as I can. And so it was a great way to get out of the normal routine, the normal city. And then, yeah, just the first night I got there the night before and was able to just go out
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get some dinner and chatted to a couple different people, but sat down at the bar. Another, another girl came up, sat beside me, just started chatting, sort of started, uh, started joking around. And I actually like, she asked me while I was there.
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Yeah.
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And what'd she look like?
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Yeah. Um, I mean she was, uh, she was like Latina and kind of clearly just grabbing a quick drink after work. And so, um, and yeah, we just started chatting and, She, you know, she didn't, couldn't believe that I was, you know, first time in New York city. And so we just started chatting and joking around. And, um, and so I think it was a Thursday night.
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And so she like, I was like, Hey, I'm, I'm out to see the city. You want to, you want to go hit a few spots? And she's like, yeah, that sounds great. So we, we bounced around to several bars and, um, And, you know, just had a fantastic time. It was fun and, you know, was was a great sort of man to woman connection. We had we had some great some great inside jokes that we we came up with.
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And, yeah, it was just it was a it was a great, great first night in in New York City.
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Yeah, totally. It was, it was just being able to get into that, that zone of I'm here to meet people and have fun. And I think that just came across as attractive and interesting. And as opposed to her just going home and having an early night, we stayed out late and went to a jazz bar and just went to all these different cool places and
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Yeah, well, I feel like I need to...
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tell a story about the one most memorable moment which was the uh you were we were out at the club and you were you were kind of giving instructions which was great because i not not super comfortable in the club environment so just having you to kind of just say hey try this try this yep and so you told me about the uh the hand of god move the hand of god yes cue choir of angels
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Yeah, totally. So it's crazy to think where I'm at now compared to where I was a year ago. So, I mean, I had, I'd kind of been reading through your book and, you know, I just, for, for many years, I'd been out of college for seven, eight years and just really struggling to find a good rhythm with dating. I would occasionally go on dates, maybe a couple of dates per year.
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Yeah, you just told me, hey, try this. And I was like, all right, let's do it. So I was kind of walking across the dance floor and saw this tall, blonde, looked like a Russian model type lady. And so... just went with the most, I think I did like a hand twirl and just, and just literally the whole group of people around were kind of just like looking at me.
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Like you got it. dance with this guy you kept your hand out you like insisted oh it was it was a good like it felt like minutes but probably three or four seconds yeah okay before she finally gave in to uh and it was it was kind of like the uh the dog that catches the the bus Didn't know what to do after that. Like kind of danced for a little bit. I think it like tried to kiss her.
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I didn't at that time really know how to transition to, oh, let's have a conversation. Let's have fun on the dance floor. But it was definitely a memorable moment, which kind of was maybe one of the peaks of my confidence. Amazing.
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but just really couldn't seem to get the dates flowing. And I tried several different things. And I think just when I got on the phone call with you, It just was really, I think a sort of a pivotal moment where I was like, all right, I'm going to do this. I'm going to focus on dating and make it a top priority. Um,
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Yeah. So there was, I think I should start like at the very beginning and we matched on hinge. I think it was. And it took a couple of tries to, to get the conversation going. And. I thought that she had lost interest. I thought she had moved on because she didn't reply to a couple of my messages. But I sent one more message joking about how she was sick and, oh, she must not have made it.
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And it was this flirty kind of playful way, and she just immediately replied and was like, oh, sorry, I was busy, da, da, da. And so took that to the, took it. I was like, all right, let's text off the app. You know, maybe we can go on our first date, walk through the Walgreens aisle to, to get some, get some cold medication. Wow. Hey, big spender. Yeah. Yeah. So just like fun, flirty. Nice.
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And then set up the first date. And, um, and I think it was, it was, I'd had a couple of moments, but it was one of these moments where I was instantly attracted to her. I was like, man, this girl is just gorgeous. And then it was one of the first moments where –
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I started talking about things that I was interested in nerdy things like AI and tech and, um, you know, space and rockets and these kind of nerdy stuff. And I could just see her getting so attracted to me. It was like, I can't. And she's still to this day, just I'll start talking about these things. And she's like, man, this is so hot. Um,
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And so I'm like, this is, I did not believe that this girl existed before. Um, and so, sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself, but you're good. You're good. Essentially just, um, yeah, really at that point I'd been on, this was towards the end of, um, this was several months after we had, you know, stopped working together, finished our, the program.
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And, and just at this point I'd finally gotten this, um, what I'd been talking about, which was this sort of comfort of, okay, I see what's happening. She's into me. I'm into her. Now it's just my job to kind of lead the interaction. So we kind of bounced around. We went to this, um, it was kind of this sports bar or this bar that had like games had like, yeah, first date. Okay. And, um,
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So it was kind of this outdoor. It was during the summer. They had ping pong, billiards, darts, all this kind of thing. So we got to just kind of walk around, and it was extremely flirty just right from the get-go. And one of the things that I really liked is girls that are bubbly and just very responsive, which she was, which – just made it, it made it easy for me.
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And so just, I think we were, uh, we were just all over each other. Um, really just within 30 minutes of the date. So it was, it was one of these, Oh, wow. This is one of those, one of those great connections. Um, and so was able to went to a Had a couple different things planned, so we went to a couple different bars in the area, but great date.
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And so, yeah, we set up several dates, continuing to go out.
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No, I was, I was totally, uh, I felt, I mean, I think at that point I, you know, I figured out how to sort of joke and tease and, um, but do it, do it in an authentic way. Um, and it, it, it was, um, I think it was the first or it was one of those moments where, okay, there's, there are girls, there are attractive girls out there that are into me specifically, my quirky type of person that I am.
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So, and it just, it, it takes a little bit of going through the numbers to find them. And so, but yeah, no, I just, I felt like I was, I felt like I was being, The creator. Nice. I was making jokes, telling stories, and just felt super confident having this hot girl just be super into me.
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We had walked away from the bar to one of these – shuffleboard games where you throw the little things and try to land and you know, she was We were just joking about being good or bad. That was a bad throw. And you have to walk back and forth. So we were kind of flirting with each other as we were walking to either side of the shuffleboard. And, yes, we were almost kind of forgetting the game.
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and really learn how to date because I definitely had a lot of skills that I was lacking, like being able to get on dating apps and actually take a girl from the first message to off the daps to a date to the, to the first kiss. Like that was just completely foreign to me. as well as many other aspects about... As I recall, you wanted a few simple things.
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We were just so into each other. Yeah. It was pretty seamless, just sort of put my arm around her and first kiss right there in the middle of the bar, tons of people, but it was just like nobody else was there. Yeah, just felt like the thing to do. Yeah, yeah, and then multiple times throughout the night, it just felt very natural having her there.
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having her be super interested in me made it made it easy like didn't have to didn't feel like i had to force it i felt like i had to i definitely had to initiate it I think, I think that was a big thing that I had struggled with, but at this time I was able to, okay, she, she's clearly into me.
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Yeah. Yeah, totally. I mean, uh, and like, I think. one of the things that I like about her, she's extremely engaged and she wants to hear about what I'm interested in. And so it's super enjoyable to be able to talk about those things and have her be excited about it. So, and yeah, it's awesome. It makes it really fun.
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Yeah, a lot of times I'm like, I sometimes try to think about like, it's hard to imagine you know, going 10 years without a, without a, without a girlfriend. So it's, it's, uh, it's awesome. It's fun.
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Go ahead. Um, I mean, it, it's, it's, uh, yeah, I mean, it was one dating. Dating for me has always been one of those felt like it was the, the wall I could never get over. And, And so it's really been, yeah, awesome to feel like I've made a big leap forward in being able to get a girlfriend. And yeah, it's one of the most just enjoyable things that I've done. So I've been...
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really, really thankful for being able to, to do this this year and work with you. And I think like just, uh, the, the ability to have somebody to like focus on it with me, like I tried multiple years to, to do this, but being able to have somebody that I think you, you understood how, uh, how my, like you understood my problems.
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Like there's, there's certain different types of problems that I think people have. And you understood my problems were able to kind of coach me through how to, how to get through that. So, um, it's, it's been a huge, huge confidence boost, a lot of fun.
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Yeah, I mean I think the tip that I would have liked to hear is just that being – like be open to the idea that what you want in a girl and what you want in a relationship is possible. That it's not like you're unworthy of it. It's not like you're incapable of attracting a girl. But it does take some mindset work.
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It takes some mechanics, being a little clunky, having those awkward moments that you just got to like laugh at. But it is definitely possible for you. And I think being able to just go through that process. I mean, I would say it took... took a good six, seven months of a lot of focused effort.
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Yeah, for sure. I think I wanted... I wanted the feeling of like, I knew what I was doing when I, when I talked to women, I think the, the feeling, the feeling of, um, uncertainty was just, was killing me. So I just wanted that. I wanted that comfort that, that just like ability, that smooth ability to uh, go on a date with a girl and just know how to know how to kind of lead things.
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Um, a couple, a couple little relationships and failed, failed, um, dates, but got to that point where I understood who I was, what I wanted and, uh, came out better on the other end. Uh, so happy. I went through the, through that experience and it, it was, you know, it was a work. It was, it was kind of difficult at times, but it was, uh, it was extremely worth it.
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So I remember a lot of times I would get, I think one of the things that kept me held back from having dating, dating success before was just cause I would get maybe a little demotivated or, um, you know, lack of confidence that I could do it and get distracted on other things.
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But it was, it was worth it to, to kind of focus on it for, for a time period and, and have, have that success, uh, the taste of success. So amazing. Definitely worth it.
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Yeah. Thank you for, for being the coach and, uh, yeah.
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They're making a comeback. It's going to happen.
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Um, and I, you know, I did want a girl, I wanted a person that I could share my interests with and share just fun, you know, fun dates with be intimate with. And, um, and, Yeah, it was something I hadn't really had much before, so it was definitely a very strong desire.
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Yeah, really since college. Not a real one, right? Yeah, pushing 10 years since I'd had a real girlfriend.
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Yeah, it was... I mean, it was... a lot of different things, but yeah, mainly that, that inner voice that would just constantly come up anytime I felt like I made a mistake or didn't do something right. It was just constantly there ready to just make me feel like shit about myself. So, um, I, uh, felt like, um, I, Yeah, I didn't have a lot of dating experience back in high school or college.
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You know, a couple of short relationships. But yes, I mean, being able to shut down that voice and actually just have fun on dates was something that was quite difficult to do going into the beginning of this year.
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Yeah. I mean, there were honestly several stories like that. I think the one you're referring to, yeah, I think I was maybe with my family and just didn't feel comfortable. I didn't want to look like an idiot. And so, yeah, just totally got it.
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Yes, yes.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, I mean, the first thing was just A few tweaks to the dating apps and starting to getting some matches. That was... a big shift and I could finally kind of start to, instead of just thinking about what I would do and what I could do right and wrong, it was, it was actually, I was out there going on dates and getting to talk to you about it.
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And, and really, I think one of the big things that was helpful was, you know, you really, it was almost, uh, a chore at the beginning but you were you were just constantly making me do the heads and tails analysis what went well what went bad And I think that really helped to force out that negative voice in my head and really got to also just go out and enjoy some fun experiences.
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Yes.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think really being able to just focus on it was, was a big deal. So, uh, you know, I've got a full-time job and everything. So, but I was going out multiple times a week, at least, you know, two or three times. I, I like to try to do a sort of a nighttime, um, you know, scene and a daytime scene, at least, at least once a week. Um,
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Yeah, I would sometimes go out to bookstores or go out to the stores. Yeah, just getting in the rhythm of just chatting girls up, saying like, hey, what do you think of this jacket? Or what do you think about these things? And when I could get out of my head and just kind of – be present and just ask things that were on my mind, the connection started happening so much faster.
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Yeah, I think there were... There were a couple... I think there was the first week where I really started getting a lot of matches on the dating apps. And I think I went on... four or five dates in a single week, which was just, that was more than I'd been on the entire year before. And I just remember, I remember there was one of them,
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Covered in mud, half naked, 30 pounds lighter, no gear, no camera, just Fred Beck's notebook stuffed in my jacket pocket. I don't talk about what happened to authorities. What could I say? They never found Molly. Or Jess. Or David. Or Aaron. They found no trace. My YouTube channel. Wiped. Every file gone. Every backup corrupted. But the worst part?
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Sometimes, late at night, when everything's quiet, I hear three knocks on my bedroom window. Always three. Never four. And sometimes when I'm dreaming, I'm back in that canyon. I see Molly, standing in front of the stone slit. She turns, smiles, and says, We never needed the sun. My name is Sarah Branch.
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A few years ago, when I was 24 years old, I had left my home state of Utah and moved abroad to work as an English language teacher in Vietnam. Having just graduated from BYU and earned my degree in teaching, I suddenly realized I needed so much more from my life. I always wanted to travel, embrace other cultures, and most of all, have memorable and life-changing experiences.
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Feeling trapped in my normal, everyday life outside of Salt Lake City, where winters are cold and summers always far away, I decided I was no longer going to live the life that others had chosen for me. and instead choose my own path in life, a life of fulfillment and few regrets.
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Already attaining my degree in teaching, I realized that if I gained a further ESL certification, teaching English as a second language, I could finally achieve my lifelong dream of traveling the world to far away and exotic places, all the while working for a reasonable income. There were so many places I dreamed of going, maybe somewhere in South America or Far East Asia.
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As long as the weather was warm and there were beautiful beaches for me to soak up the sun, I honestly did not mind. Scanning my finger over a map of the world, rotating from one hemisphere to the other, I eventually put my finger down on a narrow, little country called Vietnam. This was by no means a random choice.
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But even an hour in, I felt it, that off feeling, not fear, not yet, just too quiet, no birdsong, no wind, just the crunch of our boots and the occasional can't-quite-place-it echo that followed a little too long after we spoke. Jess joked that the forest felt judgy. David rolled his eyes. It's just a hike, guys. Bigfoot isn't real.
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I had always wanted to travel to Vietnam because... I'm actually one-quarter Vietnamese. Not that you can tell or anything. My hair is brown and my skin is rather fair. But I figured, if I wanted to go where the sun was always shining, and there was an endless supply of tropical beaches, Vietnam would be the perfect destination. Furthermore, I'd finally get the chance to explore my heritage.
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Fortunately enough for me, it turned out Vietnam had a huge demand for English language teachers. They did prefer it if you were teaching in the country already. But after a few online interviews and some visa complications later, I packed up my things in Utah and moved across the world to the land of the blue dragon.
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I was relocated to a beautiful beach town in central Vietnam, right along the coast of the South China Sea. English teachers don't really get to choose where in the country they end up, but if I did have that option, I could not have picked a more perfect place.
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Because of the horrific turn this story will take, I can't say where exactly it was in central Vietnam I lived, or even the name of the beach town I resided in, just because I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea. This part of Vietnam is a truly beautiful place, and I don't want to discourage anyone from going there.
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so for the continuation of this story i am just going to refer to where i was as central vietnam and as for the beach town where i made my living i am going to give it the pseudonym bien hoa hen which in vietnamese roughly but rather fittingly translates to sea of promise sea of promise truly was the perfect destination
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It was a modest-sized coastal town nestled inside of a tropical bay, with the whitest sands and clearest blue waters you could possibly dream of. The town itself is also spectacular. Most of the houses and buildings are painted a vibrant sunny yellow, not only to look more inviting to tourists, but also to reflect the sun during the hottest months.
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For this reason, I originally wanted to give the town the nickname Tran Mau Vang, Yellow Town, but I quickly realized how insensitive that pseudonym would have been, so Sea of Promise it is. Alongside its bright sunny buildings, Sea of Promise has the most stunning oriental and French colonial architecture, interspersed with many quality restaurants and coffee shops.
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The local cuisine is to die for. not only is it healthy and delicious but it's also surprisingly cheap like we're only talking ninety cents you wouldn't believe how many different flavors of coffee vietnam has i mean i went a whole twenty-four years without even trying coffee and since i've been here i must have tried around two dozen flavors
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another whimsical little aspect of this town is the many multicolored little plastic chairs that are dispersed everywhere so whether it was dining on the local cuisine or trying my twenty-second flavor of coffee i would always find one of these chairs a different color every time sit down in the shade and just watch the world go by
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i haven't even mentioned how much i loved my teaching job my classes were the most adorable seven and eight year olds and my colleagues were so nice and welcoming they never called me by my first name instead my colleagues would always say chow um or chow um guy which basically means hello little sister When I wasn't teaching or grading papers, I spent most of my leisure time by the town's beach.
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And being the boring, vanilla person I am, I didn't really do much. Feeling the sun upon my skin while I observed the breathtaking scenery was more than enough. Either that or I was curled up in a good book. I was never the only foreigner on this beach. Sea of Promise is a popular tourist destination. Mostly western backpackers and surfers.
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And even if it was, the dude would be dead of Lyme disease by now. We laughed. I didn't tell them that the first time I came out here a year ago to scout, I found nails, rusty, square-cut ones, buried in the moss near an overgrown ridge. And next to them, a crossbeam, split in half, burnt on one side like lightning had struck it. I marked the location on my GPS and planned our return.
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So, if I wasn't turning pink beneath the sun or memorizing every little detail of the bay's geography, I would enviously spectate fellow travelers ride the waves. As much as I love Vietnam, as much as I love Sea of Promise, what really spoils this place from being the perfect paradise is all the garbage pollution. I mean, it's just everywhere.
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There is garbage in the town, on the beach, and even in the ocean. And if it isn't the garbage that spoils everything, it certainly is all the rats, cockroaches, and other vermin brought with it. Sea of Promise is such a unique place, and it honestly makes me so mad that no one does anything about it. Nevertheless, I still love it here. It will always be a paradise to me.
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And if America was the promised land for Lehi and his descendants, then this was going to be my promised land. I had now been living in Sea of Promise for four months, and although I had only three months left in my teaching contract, I still planned on staying in Vietnam, even if that meant leaving this region I'd fallen in love with and relocating to another part of the country.
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Since I was going to stay, I decided I really needed to learn Vietnamese, as you'd be surprised how few people there are in Vietnam who can speak any to no English.
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Although most English teachers in Southeast Asia use their leisure time to travel, I rather boringly decided to spend most of my days at the same beach, sitting amongst the sand while I studied and practiced what would hopefully become my second language.
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On one of those days, I must have been completely occupied in my own world, because when I looked up, I suddenly saw someone standing over me, talking down to me.
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i take off my headphones and shading the sun from my eyes i see a tall late twenty-something tourist wearing only swim shorts and cradling a surfboard beneath his arm having come in from the surf he thought i said something to him as he passed by
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where i then told him i was speaking vietnamese to myself and didn't realize anyone could hear me we both had a good laugh about it and the guy introduced himself as tyler like me tyler was american and unsurprisingly he was from california He came to Vietnam for no other reason than to surf. Like I said, Tyler was this tall, very tanned guy, like he was the tannest guy I had ever seen.
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He had all these different tattoos he acquired from his travels, and long brown hair, which he regularly wore in a man bun. When I first saw him standing there, I was taken aback a little, because I almost mistook him for Jesus Christ. That's what he looked like.
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Tyler asks what I'm doing in Vietnam, and later in the conversation, he invites me to have a drink with him and his surfer buddies at the Beach Town Bar. I was a little hesitant to say yes, only because I don't really drink alcohol, but Tyler seemed like a nice guy, and so I agreed. Later that day, I met Tyler at the bar, and he introduced me to his three surfer friends.
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The first of Tyler's friends was Chris, whom he knew from back home. Chris was kinda loud and a little obnoxious, but I suppose he was also funny. The other two friends were Brody and Haley, a couple from New Zealand. Tyler and Chris met them while surfing in Australia, and ever since, the four of them have been traveling, or more accurately, surfing the world together.
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Over a few drinks, we all get to know each other a little better, and I told them what it's like to teach English in Vietnam. Curious as to how they're able to travel so much, I ask them what they all do for a living. Tyler says they work as vloggers, bloggers, and general content creators, all the while traveling to a different country every other month.
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You wouldn't believe the number of places they've been to. Hawaii, Costa Rica, Sri Lanka, Bali, everywhere. They didn't see the value of staying in just one place and working a menial job when they could be living their best lives, all the while being their own bosses. It did make a lot of sense to me, and was not that dissimilar to my reasoning for being in Vietnam.
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When we reached the ridge that afternoon, everything felt wrong, not dangerous, just too still, like the woods had decided to watch. "'This the spot?' Molly asked, brushing sweat off her neck. "'Yep,' I said, trying to sound casual. "'This is where Fred Beck and his crew built the cabin, or what's left of it.' We found the nails again, the charred beam.
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The four of them were only going to be in Sea of Promise for a couple more days. But when I told them I hadn't yet explored the rest of the country, they insisted that I tag along with them. I did come to Vietnam to travel, not just stay in one place. The only problem was I didn't have anyone to do it with. But I guess now I did. They even invited me to go surfing with them the next day.
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Having never surfed a day in my life, I very nearly declined the offer. But coming all this way from cold and boring Utah, I knew I had to embrace new and exciting opportunities whenever they arrived. By early next morning, and pushing through my first hangover, I had officially surfed my first ever wave.
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I was a little afraid I'd embarrass myself, especially in front of Tyler, but after a few trials and errors, I thankfully gained the hang of it. Even though I was a newbie at surfing, I could not have been that bad. Because as soon as I surfed my first successful wave, Chris would not stop calling me Johnny Utah. Not that I knew what that meant.
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If I wasn't embarrassing myself on a board, I definitely was in my ignorance of the guy's casual movie quotes. For instance, whenever someone yelled out Charlie don't surf, all I could think was, who the heck is Charlie? By that afternoon, we were all back at the bar and I got to spend some girl time with Haley. She was so kind to me and seemed to take a genuine interest in my life.
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Or maybe she was just grateful not to be the only girl in the group anymore. She did tell me she thought Chris was extremely annoying, no matter where they were in the world, and even though Brody was the quiet, sensible type for the most part, she hated how he acted when he was around the guys.
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Five beers later and Brody was suddenly on his feet, doing some kind of native New Zealand war dance while Chris or Tyler vlogged. Although I was having such a wonderful time with the four of them, anticipating all the places in Vietnam, Haley said we were going. In the corner of my eye, I kept seeing the same strange man staring over at us.
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I thought maybe we were being too loud and he wanted to say something, but the man was instead looking at all of us with intrigue. Well, ten minutes later, this very same man comes up to us with three strangers behind him. Very casually, he asks if we're all having a good time.
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We kind of awkwardly oblige the man, a fellow traveler like us who, although he was probably in his early thirties, looked more like a middle-aged dad on vacation, in an overly large Hawaiian shirt as though to hide his stomach, and looking down at us through a pair of brainiac glasses. The strangers behind him were two other men and a young woman,
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One of the men was extremely hairy, with a beard almost as long as his own hair, while the other was very cleanly presented, short in height, and holding a notepad. The young woman with them, who was not much older than I, had a cool combination of dyed maroon hair and sleeve tattoos, although rather oddly she was wearing way too much clothing for this climate.
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After some brief pleasantries, the man in the Hawaiian shirt then says, I'm sorry to bother you folks, but I was wondering if we could ask you a few questions. Introducing himself as Aaron, the man tells us that he and his friends are documentary filmmakers and were wanting to know what we knew of the local disappearances.
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Clueless as to what he was talking about, Aaron then sits down, without invitation, at our rather small table, and starts explaining to us that for the past 30 years, tourists in the area have been mysteriously going missing without a trace. First time they were hearing of this, Tyler tells Aaron they have only been in the Sea of Promise for a couple of days.
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Aaron scanned with the thermal but didn't catch anything unusual. Still, we all agreed the air felt thicker here, like walking into a room where someone had just been yelling. We set up camp on the flattest ground we could find. Trees surrounded us on all sides. Pine needles blanketed everything. Our fire pit crackled to life as the sun dipped low. Dinner was freeze-dried chili and cheap whiskey.
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Since I was the one who lived and worked in the town, Haley asks me if I knew anything about the missing tourists, and when she does, Aaron turns his full attention on me. Answering his many questions, I told Aaron I only heard in passing that tourists have allegedly gone missing, but I wasn't sure what to make of it.
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But while I'm telling him this, I notice the short guy behind him is writing everything I say down, word for word, before Aaron then asks me, with desperation in his voice, well, have you at least heard of the local legends? Suddenly gaining an interest in what Aaron's telling us, Tyler, Chris, and Brody drunkenly inquire, Legends? What local legends?
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Taking another sip from his light beer, Aaron tells us that according to these legends, there are creatures lurking deep within the jungles and cave systems of the region, and for centuries local farmers or fishermen have only seen glimpses of them. Feeling as though we're being told a scary bedtime story, Chris rather excitedly asks, Well, what do these creatures look like?
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Aaron says the legends abbreviate, and there are many claims to their appearance, but that they're always described as being humanoid. Whatever these creatures were, paranormal communities and investigators have linked these legends to the disappearances of the tourists.
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All five of us realized just how silly this all sounded, which Brody highlighted by saying, You don't actually believe that crap, do you? Without saying either yes or no, Aaron smirks at us, before revealing that there are actually similar legends and sightings all around Central Vietnam, even by American soldiers as far back as the Vietnam War.
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You really don't know about the cryptids of the Vietnam War? Aaron asks us, as though surprised we didn't. Further educating us on this whole mystery, Aaron claims that during the war, several platoons and individual soldiers who were deployed in the jungles came in contact with more than one type of creature. You never heard of the rock apes, the devil creatures of Kuang Bin, the big yellows?
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If you ever find a rock stacked neatly on your sleeping bag in the middle of the woods, just one, perfectly centered, with tiny, deliberate claw marks carved along its base, don't pick it up. Don't touch it. Don't kick it. Just leave your pack, your tent, your friends, and go. I didn't. I picked it up. But I'm getting ahead of myself. I'm Jake.
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If you were like us and never heard of these creatures either, apparently what the American soldiers encountered in the jungles was a group of small bigfoot-like creatures that liked to throw rocks and some sort of lizard people that glowed a luminous yellow and lived deep within the cave systems.
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Feeling somewhat ridiculous just listening to this, Tyler rather mockingly comments, So you're saying you believe the reason for all the tourists going missing is because of Vietnamese Bigfoot and lizard people? Aaron and his friends must have received this ridicule a lot, because rather than being insulted, they looked somewhat amused. Well, that's why we're here, he says.
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We're paranormal investigators and filmmakers, and as far as we know, no one has tried to solve the mystery of the Vietnam Triangle. We're in sea of promise to interview locals on what they know of the disappearances, and we'll follow any leads from there. Although I thought this all to be a little kooky,
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I tried to show a little respect and interest in what these guys did for a living, but not Tyler, Chris, or Brody. They were clearly trying to have fun at Aaron's expense. So what did the locals say? Is there a Vietnamese Loch Ness monster we haven't heard of?
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Like I said, Aaron was well acquainted with this kind of ridicule, because rather spontaneously he replies, "'Glad you asked,' before gulping down the rest of his low-carb beer."
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according to a group of fishermen we interviewed yesterday there is an unmapped trail that runs through the nearby jungles apparently no one knows where this trail leads to not even the locals do and anyone who tries to find out for themselves
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are never seen or heard from again as amusing as we found these legends of ape creatures and lizard men hearing there was a secret trail somewhere in the nearby jungles where tourists are said to vanish even if this was just a local legend it was enough to unsettle all of us
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The mood was light at first. Aaron cracked jokes. Jess pulled out tarot cards. David wandered off for a smoke saying we were all nuts. But around 9.30 p.m. things shifted. The wind died. Not slowly. Not gradually. Just stopped. No breeze. No rustling leaves. Even the smoke from our fire started rising straight up like a pillar.
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Maybe there weren't creatures abducting tourists in the jungles, but on an unmarked wilderness trail, anyone not familiar with the terrain could easily lose their way. Neither Tyler, Chris, Brody, nor Haley had a comment for this. After all, they were fellow travelers. As fun as their lifestyle was, they knew the dangers of venturing into the more untamed corners of the world.
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The five of us just sat there, silently, not really knowing what to say, as Aaron very contentedly mused over us. We're actually heading out tomorrow in search of the trail. We have directions and everything. Aaron then pauses on us. Before he says, If you guys don't have any plans, why don't you come along? After all, what's the point of traveling if there ain't a little danger involved?
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expecting someone in the group to tell him we already had plans. Tyler, Chris, and Brody share a look with one another, and to mine and Haley's surprise, they then agreed. Haley obviously protested. She didn't want to go gallivanting around the jungle where tourists supposedly vanished. Oh, come on, Hale. It'll be fun. Sarah, you'll come, won't you? Yeah, Johnny Utah wants to come, right?
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Haley stared at me, clearly desperate for me to take her side. I then glanced around the table to see that so too was everyone else. Neither wanting to take sides nor accept the invitation, all I could say was that I didn't know what I wanted to do. Although Haley and the guys were divided on whether or not to accompany Aaron's expedition,
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It was ultimately left to a majority vote, and being too sheepish to protest, it now appeared our plans of traveling the country had changed to exploring the jungles of central Vietnam. Even though I really didn't want to go on this expedition, it could have been dangerous after all. I then reminded myself why I came to Vietnam in the first place. To have memorable and life-changing experiences,
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and I wasn't going to have any of that if I just said no when the opportunity arrived. Besides, tourists may well have gone missing in the region, but the supposed legends of jungle-dwelling creatures were probably nothing more than just stories. I spent my whole life believing in stories that turned out not to be true, and I wasn't going to let that continue now.
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Later that night, while Brody and Haley spent some alone time, and Chris was with Aaron's friends, smoking, you know what. Tyler invited me for a walk on the beach under the moonlight. Strolling barefoot along the beach, trying not to step on any garbage, Tyler asks me if I'm really okay with tomorrow's plans and that I shouldn't feel peer pressured into doing anything I didn't really want to do.
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I told him I was okay with it, and that it should be fun. Don't worry, he said, I'll keep an eye on you. I'm a little embarrassed to admit this, but I kinda had a crush on Tyler. He was tall, handsome, and adventurous. If anything, he was the sort of person I wanted to be. Traveling the world and meeting all kinds of people from all kinds of places. I was a little worried he'd find me boring.
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A small city girl whose only other travel story was a premature mission to Florida. Well, soon enough, I was going to have a whole new travel story. This travel story. We get up early the next morning, and meeting Aaron with his documentary crew, we each take separate taxis out of the Sea of Promise. Following the cab in front of us, we weren't even sure where we were going exactly.
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Curving along a highway that cuts through a dense valley, Aaron's taxi suddenly pulls up on the curve where he and his team jump out to the beeping of angry motorcycle drivers. Flagging our taxi down, Aaron tells us that according to his directions, we have to cut through the valley here and head into the jungle.
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then came the tapping three knocks faint like someone tapping a rock against a tree trunk we all froze woodpecker david said too quickly jess shook her head not that rhythm that was deliberate we sat in silence listening ten minutes passed nothing then three more taps closer I turned on the parabolic mic and scanned the tree line. Nothing obvious, but there was a sound under the white noise.
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Although we didn't really know what was going to happen on this trip, we were just along for the ride. After all, Aaron's plan was to hike through the jungle to find the mysterious trail, document whatever they could. and then move onto a group of cave systems where these creatures were supposed to lurk.
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Reaching our way down the slope of the valley, we follow along a narrow stream which acted as our temporary trail. Although this was Aaron's expedition, as soon as we start our hike through the jungle, Chris rather mockingly calls out, "'All right, everyone. Keep a lookout for lizard people, Bigfoot and Charlie.' Where again, I thought to myself, "'Who the heck is Charlie?'
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It was a fun little adventure, exploring through the trees, hearing all kinds of birds and insect life. One big problem with Vietnam is that there are always mosquitoes everywhere, and surprise, surprise, the jungle was no different. I still had a hard time getting acquainted with the Vietnamese heat, but luckily, the hottest days of the year had come and gone.
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It was a rather cloudy day, but I figured if I got too hot in the jungle, I could potentially look forward to some much welcomed rain. Although I was very much enjoying myself, even with the heat and biting critters, Aaron's crew insisted on stopping every 10 minutes to document our journey. This was their expedition after all, so I guess we couldn't complain.
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I got to know Aaron's colleagues a little better. The two guys were Steve, the hairy guy, and Miles, the cameraman.
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they were nice enough guys i guess but what was kind of annoying was that miles would occasionally film me in the group even though we weren't supposed to be in the documentary the maroon-haired girl in their group was sophie the two of us got along really great and we talked about what it was like for each of us back home
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Sophie was actually raised in the Appalachians in a family of all boys and already knew how to use a firearm by the time she was 10. Even though we were completely different people, I really cared for her because like me, she clearly didn't have the easiest of upbringings. As I noticed under her tattoos were a number of scars.
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A creepy little quirk she had was whenever we heard an unusual noise, she would rather casually say the same thing. If you see something, no you didn't. If you hear something, no you didn't. We had been hiking through the jungle for a few hours now and there was still no sign of the mysterious trail.
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Aaron did say all we needed to do was continue heading northwest and we would eventually stumble upon it. But it was by now that our group was beginning to complain as it appeared we were making our way through just a regular jungle. that wasn't even unique enough to be put on a tourist map. What were we doing here? Why weren't we on our way to Hu City or Ha Long Bay?
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These were the questions our group was beginning to ask, and although I didn't say it out loud, it was now what I was asking. But as it turned out, we were wrong to complain so quickly. Because less than an hour later, ready to give up and turn around, we finally discovered something.
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In the middle of the jungle, cutting through a dispersal of sparse trees, was a very thin and narrow outline of sorts. It was some kind of pathway. A trail. We had found it. Covered in thick vegetation, our group had almost walked completely by it, and if it wasn't for Haley, stopping to tie her shoelaces, we may still have been searching.
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Clearly, no one had walked this pathway for a very long time, and for what reason, we did not know. But we did it. We had found the trail, and all we needed to do now was follow wherever it led us.
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I'm not even sure who was the happier to have found the trail, Aaron and his colleagues, who reacted as though they made an archaeological discovery, or us, just relieved this entire day was not for nothing. Anxious to continue along the trail before it got dark, we still had to wait patiently for Aaron's team.
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But because they were so busy filming their documentary, it quickly became too late in the day to continue. The sun in Vietnam usually sets around 6pm, but in the interior of the forest, it sets a lot sooner. Making camp that night, we all pitched our separate tents.
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I actually didn't own a tent, but Haley suggested we bunk together, like we were having our very own sleepover, which meant Brody rather unwillingly had to sleep with Chris. Although the night brought a boatload of bugs and strange noises, Tyler sparked up a campfire for us to make some s'mores and tell a few scary stories.
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A kind of slow, labored breathing. Guttural, low, like someone exhaling through a cavern. Then silence. At 11.04, Molly screamed. I ran to her tent, heart in my throat. She was sitting upright, drenched in sweat, eyes wide. They were inside, she whispered, watching me. I wasn't dreaming, Jake. I saw them. Not faces, just eyes. Silver eyes. So many. We didn't sleep.
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I never really liked scary stories, and that night, although I was having a lot of fun, I really didn't care for the stories Aaron had to tell. Knowing I was from Utah, Aaron intentionally told the story of Skinwalker Ranch, and now I had more than one reason not to go back home. There were some stories shared that night I enjoyed, particularly the ones told by Tyler.
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Having traveled all over the world, Tyler acquired many adventures he was just itching to tell. For instance, when he was backpacking through the Bolivian Amazon a few years ago, a boat pulled up by the side of the river. Five rather shady men jump out and one of them walks right up to Tyler, holding a jar containing some kind of drink and a dozen dead snakes inside.
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This man offered the drink to Tyler and when he asked what the drink was, the man replied it was only vodka and that the dead snakes were just for flavor. Rather foolishly, Tyler accepted the drink and only half an hour later, he was spitting up white foam from his mouth.
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Thinking he had just been poisoned and was on the verge of death, the local guide in his group tells him, Well, the reason this stranger offered the drink to Tyler was because, funnily enough, if you drink vodka containing a little bit of snake venom, your body will eventually become immune to snake bites over time.
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Of all the stories Tyler told me, both the funny and idiotic, that one was definitely my favorite. Feeling exhausted from a long day of tropical hiking, I called it an early night. That, and most of the group were smoking. You know what? Isn't the middle of the jungle the last place you should be doing that? Maybe that's how all those soldiers saw what they saw. There were no creatures here.
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They were just stoned, and not from rock-throwing apes. One minor criticism I have with Vietnam, aside from all the garbage, mosquitoes, and other vermin, was that the nights were so hot I always found it incredibly hard to sleep.
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The heat was very intense that night, and even though I didn't believe there were any monsters in this jungle, when you sleep in the jungle in complete darkness, hearing all kinds of sounds, it's definitely enough to keep you awake. Early that next morning, I get out of Mai and Haley's tent to stretch my legs.
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I was the only one up for the time being, and in the early hours of the jungle's dim daylight, I felt completely relaxed and at peace. Very zen, as some may say. Since I was the only one up, I thought it would be nice to make breakfast for everyone, and so, going over to find what food I could rummage out from one of the backpacks,
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i suddenly get this strange feeling i'm being watched listening to my instincts i turn up from the backpack and what i see in my line of sight standing as clear as day in the middle of the jungle i see another person it was a young man no older than i he was wearing pieces of torn olive-green jungle clothing camouflaged as green as the forest around him
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Although he was too far away for me to make out his face, I saw on his left side some kind of black charcoal substance, trickling down his left shoulder. Once my tired eyes better adjust to this stranger, standing only fifty feet away from me, I realize what the dark substance is. It was a horrific burn mark, like he'd been badly scorched.
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What's worse, I then noticed on the scorched side of his head, where his ear should have been, It was, it was hollow. Although I hadn't picked up on it at first, I then realized his tattered green clothes. They were not just jungle clothes. The clothes he was wearing, it was the same color of green that American soldiers wore in Vietnam, all the way back in the 60s.
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Telling myself I must be seeing things, I try and snap myself out of it. I rub my eyes extremely hard, and I even look away and back at him, assuming he would just disappear. But there he still was, staring at me, and not knowing what to do, or even what to say. I just continue to stare back at him, before he says to me words I will never forget.
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The young man says to me, in clear, audible words, "'Careful, miss. Charlie's everywhere.'" Only seconds after he said these words to me in the blink of an eye, almost as soon as he appeared, the young man was gone. What just happened? What? Did I hallucinate? Was I just dreaming? There was no possible way I could have seen what I saw. He was like a... ghost.
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At some point, Jess threw up behind a log. Aaron sat up with the drone tablet in his lap, scanning thermal feeds, muttering, Something moved. I swear it moved. At 3.27 AM, the first rock hit. It smashed into our solar panel with a sharp crack. Everyone jumped. I unzipped my tent and scanned the darkness with my headlamp. Nothing. Then another rock landed near Jess's tent.
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Once it happened, I remember feeling completely numb all over my body. I couldn't feel my legs or the ends of my fingers. I felt like I wanted to cry, but not because I was scared, but because I suddenly felt sad, and I didn't really know why. For the last few years, I learned not to believe something unless I see it with my own eyes, but I didn't even know what it was I saw.
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Although my first instinct was to tell someone once the others were out of their tents, I chose to keep what happened to myself. I just didn't want to face the ridicule for the others to look at me like I was insane. I didn't even tell Aaron or Sophie, and they believed every fairy tale under the sun. But I think everyone knew something was up with me. I mean, I was shaking.
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I couldn't even finish my breakfast. Haley said I looked extremely pale and wondered if I was sick. Although I was in good health, physically anyway, Haley and the others were worried. I really mustn't have looked good, because fearing I may have contracted something from a mosquito bite, they were willing to ditch the expedition and take me back to Sea of Promise.
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Touched by how much they were looking out for me, I insisted I was fine, and that it wasn't anything more than a stomach bug. After breakfast that morning, we pack up our tents and continue to follow along the trail. Everything was the same as the day before. We kept following the trail and occasionally stopped to document and film.
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Even though I convinced myself that what I saw must have been a hallucination, I could not stop replaying the words in my head. Careful, miss. Charlie's everywhere. There it was again. Charlie. Who is Charlie? Feeling like I needed to know, I asked Chris what he meant by, keep a lookout for Charlie.
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Chris said in the Vietnam War movies he'd watched, that's what the American soldiers always called the enemy. What if I wasn't hallucinating after all? Maybe what I saw really was a ghost. The ghost of an American soldier who died in the war, and believing the enemy was still lurking in the jungle somewhere. He was trying to warn me. But what if he wasn't?
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What if tourists really were vanishing here, and there was some truth to the legends? What if it wasn't Charlie the young man was warning me of? Maybe what he meant by Charlie was something entirely different. Even as I contemplated all this, there was still a part of me that chose not to believe it. That somehow, the jungle was playing tricks on me. I had always been a superstitious person.
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That's what happens when you grow up in the church. But why was it so hard for me to believe I saw a ghost? I finally had evidence of the supernatural right in front of me, and I was choosing not to believe it. What was it Sophie said? If you see something, no you didn't. If you hear something, no you didn't. Even so, the event that morning was still enough to spook me.
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spooked me enough that i was willing to heed the figment of my imagination's warning keeping in mind that tourists may well have gone missing here i made sure to stay directly on the trail at all times as though if i wandered out into the forest i would be taken in an instant
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What didn't help with this anxiety was that Tyler, Chris, and Brody, quickly becoming bored of all the stopping and starting, suddenly pull out a football and start throwing it around amongst the jungle, zigzagging through the trees as though the trees were linebackers.
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They ask me and Haley to play with them, but with the words of caution given to me that morning still fresh in my mind, I politely decline the offer and remain firmly on the trail. Although I still wasn't over what happened, constantly replaying the words like a broken record in my head, thankfully, it seemed as though for the rest of the day, nothing remotely as exciting was going to happen.
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Then another, and another. The pattern wasn't random. Three, pause, four, pause, three again. Aaron activated the drone, and for a split second, we saw something. Tall, upright, just at the edge of the tree line, then static. The drone dropped like a stone, like it had been swatted out of the sky. Dawn couldn't come fast enough. When the sun finally rose, the woods looked unchanged.
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But unfortunately, or more tragically, something did. by mid-afternoon we had made further progress along the trail the heat during the day was intense but luckily by now the skies above had blessed us with momentous rain seeping through the trees we were spared from being soaked and instead given a light shower to keep us cool
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Yet again, Aaron and his crew stopped to film, and while they did, Tyler brought out the very same football, and the three guys were back to playing their games. I cannot tell you how many times someone hurled the ball through the forest only to hit a treeline backer, where after they had to go forage for it amongst the tropical floor.
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Now, finding a clearing off trail in which to play, Chris runs far ahead in anticipation of receiving the ball. I can still remember him shouting, Brody, hit me up, hit me. Brody hurls the ball long and hard in Chris's direction, and facing the ball, all the while running further along the clearing, Chris stretches, catches the ball, and he just vanishes.
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One minute he was there, then the other, he was gone. Tyler and Brody call out to him, but Chris doesn't answer. Haley and I leave the trail towards them to see what's happened, when suddenly we hear Tyler scream, Chris! The sound of that initial scream still haunts me, because when we catch up to Brody and Tyler, standing over something down in the clearing, we realize what has happened.
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What Tyler and Brody were standing over was a hole. A six feet deep hole in the ground. And in that hole was Chris. But we didn't just find Chris trapped inside the hole because... It wasn't just a hole. It wasn't just a trap. It was a death trap. Chris was dead. In the hole with him was what had to be at least a dozen long and sharp rust-eaten metal spikes.
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We didn't even know if he was still alive at first because he had landed face down. Face down on the spikes. They were protruding from different parts of him. One had gone straight through his wrist, another out of his leg, and one straight through the right of his rib cage. Honestly, he, Chris looked like he was crucified. Crucified face down.
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Once the initial shock had worn off, Tyler and Brody climbed very quickly, but carefully down into the hole, trying to push their way through the metal spikes that repelled them from getting to Chris. But by the time they did, it didn't take long for them or us to realize Chris wasn't breathing. One of the spikes had gone through his throat.
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For as long as I live, I will never be able to forget that image, of looking down into the hole and seeing Chris's lifeless, impaled body just lying there on top of those spikes. It looked like someone had toppled over an idol, an idol of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, when he was on the cross.
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What made this whole situation far worse was that when Aaron, Sophie, Steve, and Miles catch up to us, instead of being grieved or even shocked, Miles leans over the trap hole and instantly begins to film. Tyler and Brody, upon seeing this, were furious. Carelessly clawing their way out of the hole, they yell and scream after him. What the hell do you think you're doing? Put the damn camera away.
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That's our friend. Climbing back onto the surface, Tyler and Brody try to grab Miles' camera from him, and when he wouldn't let go, Tyler aggressively rips it from his hands. Coming to Miles' aid, Aaron shouts back at them. Leave him alone! This is a documentary! Without even a second thought, Brody hits Aaron square in the face, breaking his glasses and knocking him down.
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Even though we were both still in extreme shock, hyperventilating over what just happened minutes earlier, Haley and I tried our best to keep the peace. Haley dragging Brody away, while I basically threw myself in front of Tyler. Once all of the commotion had died down, Tyler announced to everyone, that's it, we're getting out of here. And by we, he meant the four of us.
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But the feeling, that pressure in the air, it hadn't left. Jess stepped out of her tent and screamed. At the foot of her sleeping bag was a single stone, small and smooth, with three tiny claw marks etched into its side. And that was the last time any of us felt safe. By the time the sun came up, none of us really believed we were in control anymore. We packed fast, barely speaking.
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Grabbing me protectively by the arm, Tyler pulls me away with him, while Brody takes Haley, and we all head back towards the trail, in the direction we came. Thinking I would never see Sophie or the others again, I then hear behind us, if you insist on going back, just watch out for mines. Mines. Stopping in our tracks, Brody and Tyler turned to ask what the heck Aaron is talking about.
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16% of Vietnam is still contaminated by landmines and other explosives. 600,000 at least. They could literally be anywhere. Even with a potentially broken nose, Aaron could not help himself when it came to educating and patronizing others. "'And you're only telling us this now?' said Tyler." We're in the middle of the damn jungle. Why the hell didn't you say something before?
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Would you have come with us if we did? Besides, who comes to Vietnam and doesn't fact check all the dangers? I thought you were travelers. It goes without saying, but we headed back without them. For Tyler, Brody, and even Haley, their feeling was that if those four maniacs wanted to keep risking their lives for a stupid documentary, they could.
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We were getting out of here, and once we did, we would go straight to the authorities so they could find and retrieve Chris's body. We had to leave him there. We had to leave him inside the trap, but we made sure he was fully covered and no scavengers could get to him. Once we did that, we were out of there."
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As much as we regretted this whole journey, we knew the worst of everything was probably behind us, and that we couldn't take any responsibility for anything that happened to Aaron's team. But I regret not asking Sophie to come with us, not making her come with us. Sophie was a good person. She didn't deserve to be caught up in all of this. None of us did.
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Hurriedly making our way back along the trail, I couldn't help but put the pieces together. On the same day, an apparition warned me of the jungle's surrounding dangers. Chris tragically and unexpectedly fell to his death. Is that what the soldier's ghost was trying to tell me? Is that what he meant by Charlie? He wasn't warning me of the enemy.
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He was trying to warn me of the relics they had left. Aaron said there were still 600,000 explosives left in Vietnam from the war. Was it possible there were still traps left here too? I didn't know. But what I did know was, although I chose not to believe what I saw that morning, that it was just a hallucination, I still heeded the apparition's warning, never once straying off the trail.
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And it more than likely saved my life. Then I remembered why we came here. We came here to find what happened to the missing tourists. Did they meet the same fate as Chris? Is that what really happened? They either stepped on a hidden landmine or fell to their deaths. Was that the cause of the whole mystery?
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The following day, we finally made our way out of the jungle and back to the Sea of Promise. We told the authorities what happened, and a full search and rescue was undertaken to find Aaron's team. A bomb disposal unit was also sent out to find any further traps or explosives.
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Although they did find at least a dozen landmines and one further trap, what they didn't find was any evidence whatsoever for the missing tourists. No bodies, no clothing, or any other personal items. As far as they were concerned, we were the first people to trek through that jungle for a very long time. But there's something else.
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The rescue team, who went out to save Aaron, Sophie, Steve, and Miles from an awful fate. They never found them. They never found anything. Whatever the Vietnam Triangle was, it had claimed them. To this day, I still can't help but feel an overwhelming guilt that we safely found our way out of there, and they never did. I don't know what happened to the missing tourists.
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Aaron had that wired, half-manic look he gets when something rattles him, eyes darting, jaw clenched like he was chewing on glass. Jess wouldn't go near the stone that was left beside her tent. She just stood there shaking, arms crossed, whispering over and over. That wasn't here last night. It wasn't. Molly looked like she hadn't slept at all.
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I don't know what happened to Sophie, Aaron, and the others. And I don't know if there really are creatures lurking deep within the jungles of Vietnam. And although I was left traumatized, forever haunted by the experience, whatever it was I saw in that jungle, I choose to believe it saved my life. And for that reason, I have fully renewed my faith.
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To this day, I'm still teaching English as a second language. I'm still traveling the world, making my way through one continent before moving on to the next. But for as long as I live, I will forever keep this testimony. Never again will I ever step inside a jungle. Never again.
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Her eyes were bloodshot, and she kept flinching whenever a twig snapped. She'd barely touched her breakfast. None of us had. We were ready to leave. But the trail was gone. I don't mean we missed a turn or wandered a few hundred feet off path. I mean it wasn't there anymore. The switchback we'd taken down to the ridge. The dead tree with the hollow trunk we passed on the way in. Gone.
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Not just moved. Erased. Everything looked the same in every direction. Perfect symmetry. Pines spaced just far enough apart to keep you second-guessing. Same moss. Same lichen. No footprints. No trash. No sign we'd ever arrived. At first I thought I'd made a GPS error. Maybe the fire pit had just disoriented us. But Aaron's topo map glitched too, coordinates shifting in real time.
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And if you know me from my channel, The Unexplained Northwest, Then yeah, this was supposed to be my big breakout series. Ape Canyon, the truth, 100 years later. We were supposed to hike in, find the spot where the old miners said they were attacked in 1924, film some eerie b-roll, throw in a few creepy ambient noises, and rack up a couple hundred thousand views.
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He pulled up the last drone footage and started swiping through the thermal captures. That's when he stopped talking. "'What is that?' he asked, pointing to a blurry corner frame. We all leaned in. On the edge of the thermal display was a silhouette. Tall. Upright. Longer limbs than a person should have. Its heat signature barely registered. Just cold enough to be real.
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Just warm enough to not be dead. It was standing still. Too still. We watched in silence as Aaron cycled through the footage. The shape was in frame in three different clips, always from a new angle. It had been circling us. We should have left everything and bolted right then. But we didn't. Because something bigger than fear kept us there. It wasn't curiosity anymore.
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It was this pull, like the woods were reeling us in. We tried moving west, hoping to reconnect with a logging road or a ranger marker. But after 30 minutes of hiking, we found ourselves back at the ridge. Back at camp. Only now, it was different. The fire pit was gone, covered in a thick, unnatural carpet of moss that hadn't been there five minutes earlier. Our footprints were gone too.
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In their place were five sets of much larger prints. Barefoot, human-like but impossibly wide. Toes long and splayed like claws. That's when Jess started crying. I saw it, she said, last night. I thought it was a nightmare, but it leaned over my tent. I saw its hand. It had fingers, but they bent backward. We didn't know what to say. Molly hugged her, but it didn't help. Nothing was helping.
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Then Aaron's mic picked up something. He'd left the parabolic dish running and stepped away from it earlier. When we listened back, the recording was faint, buried under static, but unmistakable. A voice. A whisper. And it was Molly's. repeating the same phrase over and over. Let them through. Let them through. Let them through. We all looked at her. She looked right back, her face pale.
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I didn't say that, she whispered. The air went still again. That's when Jess screamed. She'd wandered a few steps off to throw up, and when we rushed over, we found her standing at the edge of a creek, one we hadn't crossed before. Her boots were gone.
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she was ankle deep in ice-cold water staring down like she was in a trance when i touched her shoulder she flinched like i'd burned her there are faces she muttered in the water they're watching they're underneath us i wanted to believe she was hallucinating dehydrated But when I looked down into that stream, I swear, I swear, I saw something shift beneath the current. Long and pale. Not a fish.
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Not a fish. We got her back to camp. She was shaking. Wouldn't stop muttering. It's like they're learning us. Like they're studying. Then Aaron disappeared. Just like that. One second he was filming the tree line. The next his camera lay sideways on the forest floor. Lens cracked, still recording. The audio went haywire.
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We found no drag marks, no broken branches, no blood, just his boots, perfectly placed side by side and one of those stacked rock formations beside them. This one had three tooth-like bones on top, small, human-sized. That's when David snapped. He shouted at the trees, threatened to burn the whole forest down.
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But what happened out there wasn't content. It was a trap. One we walked into willingly. We left the Marble Mountain Snow Park at 7.42 a.m., August 18th. Clear skies. Spirits were high. Molly, my girlfriend, had that look she always gets before a backpacking trip. Calm, laser-focused, ready for anything. Aaron had his drone kit and thermal camera strapped to his back.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
I tried to stop him, but he shoved me and took off into the trees with the drone controller clutched to his chest. We never saw him again. The drone signal cut out five minutes later. We thought about running, but where would we go? The sun was already low, every path looked the same, and we were down to three. Molly, Jess, me. That night we didn't sleep.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
jess sat upright against her pack rocking nails chewed to the quick molly was dead silent staring into the fire i sat with the parabolic mike aimed into the trees listening to something low vibrations breathing once i heard laughter
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
but not the kind that sounded human at some point past midnight i stepped away to clear my head and i found something in the dirt a notebook old weather-stained leather-bound and wrapped in brittle rope inside were pages covered in frantic handwriting fred beck's name was inside the front cover The last few entries chilled me. They don't speak, but they understand.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
They watch from the trees and below the roots. They hate the sun. The miners broke the covenant. They killed one, the wrong one. Now they come in threes. The final entry was scrawled with what looked like blood.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
first the watcher then the shepherd then the mouth i didn't sleep i just watched the tree line and i counted every sound there were three distinct knocks then four then three again just like the first night and i finally understood they weren't trying to scare us They were counting us. It's hard to explain what it feels like when the forest stops pretending to be a forest.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
By morning, the woods weren't just quiet. They were dead. No birds. No insects. No light breeze rustling the canopy. Even the temperature didn't change. It just… held. Like the whole place was stuck in the same second of time, looping over and over. We didn't eat, we didn't speak. Jess hadn't said a word since Aaron vanished.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
Her lips were cracked, and her fingers trembled constantly, like she was listening to something the rest of us couldn't hear. Molly was worse. Her expression had flattened. Not fear, not shock, just vacant. Like she wasn't in her body anymore. She kept looking west, toward the canyon. I'd catch her whispering under her breath, things I couldn't quite hear.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
I only caught one sentence clearly, and I'll never forget it. It's hungry, but it's patient. We decided to move again. We had to. I didn't care if the trail was gone. I didn't care if we wandered in circles. I just needed motion. Stillness out here felt like death. We headed down the ridge, following an animal trail that shouldn't have existed.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
I say that because the prints in the dirt weren't from deer or elk. They were too deep. Too wide. And the gate was off. The stride was wrong. Whatever made them wasn't running. It was walking. Slowly. Like it had all the time in the world. That trail led us straight into the canyon. At first it looked like any other ravine, steep sides, fallen timber, moss-choked stones.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
But then we started seeing the symbols, carved deep into trees, scratched into rock, symmetrical spirals, triangle clusters, six-fingered handprints. Some were filled with a black resin like sap, but colder. We passed a tree where the bark had been stripped in a perfect spiral up its trunk, ten feet high. Bones had been jammed into the spiral like teeth, small ones, human-shaped.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
That's when I realized we weren't walking through the woods anymore. We were walking through a graveyard. Molly walked ahead like she was being guided, like she knew where to go. I tried to grab her arm, but she pulled away and whispered, ''He's underneath us.'' He who? I snapped, finally cracking. Who the hell are you talking about?
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
She looked at me then, just briefly, and in that second I knew she wasn't coming back. The mouth. We reached a wall of stone. She stopped, laid her hand against it, and just like that, a section of rock shifted. Not crumbled, not cracked. Shifted, like a door. Behind it was a narrow slit, just wide enough for a person. Beyond it, pitch black.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
Jess, his little sister, was dragging behind with an energy drink and a bag of trail mix she'd mostly spilled in the car. And David, well, David was along because we needed a fifth and he had a forerunner. The trail started normal, dusty switchbacks, old Douglas firs crowding in, patches of ash where the forest hadn't fully recovered from the last fire.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
A stench hit me then, like rot, like centuries of decay sealed in stone. My stomach turned. I tried to pull her away, but she stepped inside, and vanished, like the dark had swallowed her. I screamed her name, over and over, nothing. Jess collapsed behind me, sobbing. I turned and froze. They were everywhere.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
not moving not breathing just standing all around us dozens of them tall thin black as ash their faces hidden beneath thick matted hair their arms hung down to their knees their chests rose and fell with slow quiet precision their eyes glowed silver not like headlights More like wet stone in moonlight. One stepped forward. It didn't make a sound. It knelt beside me and reached out. Not to strike.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
Not to grab. To touch. Its hand pressed against my chest and I swear to you. Everything went silent. Not just sound. My heartbeat. My breath. My thoughts. Gone. In that moment, I didn't see memories. I didn't see light. I saw roots. Miles of them. Thick black. pulsing with a slow, oily rhythm, wrapping around bones, skulls, ribcages, femurs, all buried beneath us.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
Scary DEEP WOODS Stories to Listen to While Outside
And deeper still, I saw something else. A mouth, not a face, not a head, just a mouth, wider than a cave, ringed with teeth carved from stone and bone and something still moving. It was asleep, but it was dreaming. And in that dream, it had already swallowed us whole. I don't remember what happened after that. I woke up three weeks later on the side of a rural road near Cougar, Washington.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
These counterfeit 20s were the Secret Service called him very low quality and he gets pulled over by Bethany, Oklahoma police. So this dumbass bonded himself out with counterfeit money.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
It was just old ranch houses, suburban ranch houses but I met Jake at the Round House. That was our meeting spot halfway between our houses and he's...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
we're headed to baseball practice and he's acting kind of funny kind of goofy and his eyes are kind of red and i'm like what's wrong with you dude and he's like man me and my older brother corby and these kids that moved into the neighborhood um these two brothers we smoked pot i'm high and i'm like no you're not you know i didn't believe him so we got to baseball practice and um
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We're warming up, you know, you're playing catch. Coach is right there. And Jake fakes like a high fly to me. I look up and he drills me right in the gut, you know, with the ball. And I'm like, oh! And he's on the ground laughing. So I believe, you know, he was, I believed him there. So the next day, we all met in the ditch. And the ditch is like...
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The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
You know, the canals and subdivisions, they build the... you know, that was our clubhouse and it was connected with these miles of tunnels and this tunnels were, you know, the first cigarettes, first game of truth or dare with girls, you know, first... a lot of firsts but I sat with four guys smoking weed for the first time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
My friend Jake, his older brother Corby, our new friend Danny and his little brother David. we're all sitting in a ditch underground on the tunnels you know and they're telling me come on i can't figure out how to inhale it and they're like come on dumb ass come on you know i finally figured out how to do it and we walked out and i was like wow this is great this is great um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
But the fakes of those four guys are going to lead to this story. You know, it's kind of like the classic thing, story you hear about drugs and, you know, what happens to the results of drugs and stuff. But... So, through high school, that... You know, I played sports. I got good grades. I walked the line. I hung out with my buddy. And he was doing wild stuff even back then.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
But I was the one that would always say, no. Jake? Jake, yeah. Jake was just wild, you know. And... Around the 8th grade, he told me he was going to...
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The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
steal a car and him and another guy waited outside of a daycare in our neighborhood and they jumped in a car when the person went in to go pick up their kids they drove to um mexico went to oklahoma from oklahoma eighth grade how far away is mexico from oklahoma yeah it's about 15 hours but there's there's a weren't with them no no see i didn't do that kind of stuff but um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
What he told me is they went to a town called Boys Town right across the border in Laredo and it's kind of a famous kind of sex tourism town where truckers go across and you know, there's bordellos and they partaked. They got laid. How old was he? About 14.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
When I got to the hotel last night, I was like, there's no freaking way I can do this, man.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
You know what? He's doing really good now now. And out of respect, his family treated me like family, you know, and there was some when we first met, he told me that him and his his mom and dad didn't love each other and they're going to get divorced when they're 18. And I, you know, I didn't know, you know what, how to process that. But right. I think that that, you know, knowing that
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
They weren't on firm ground. I think Jake and his brother lost respect, you know? Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
And... his family treated me like my family. So I think he had a similar situation where one parent was really accepting and the other parent was strict and could turn off love and, you know, and, and I'm not going to really say which one out of respect to the family, but, um, I think that has an effect on the self-image. The same way I didn't really feel like I belonged in my own.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
That outsider, that's misfit. And I know there's a lot of people, especially at this age, that can probably relate to that to some degree. But... Did he get in trouble when he came back? I mean, if he's gone, if it's a 15-hour drive... He would call his parents and they would... They rescued him. They get him a bus ticket, but...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
When we were younger, they got into a lot of trouble, and they always had jobs, and they did their chores around. It's not what you think. Things weren't all right in the lily-white suburbs from the outside in. It looks good, but I think we can all say that as well. But around...
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jake's older brother corby started hanging out with that danny kid a lot danny was do you remember the movie the outsiders yeah danny was a greaser he was a character from the outsiders they they came from the rougher part of town and he was real standoffish you know he seemed like he was ready to fight like he had a chip on his shoulder all the time but
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The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
Um, I heard that his father worked for a bookie, a famous bookie, the biggest bookie in Oklahoma city, a guy by the name of Pody Poe. But, um, that's a whole nother story. And he comes up later on in this life. I met him in prison, but, um, while visiting my friend in prison, I didn't do any time, but, um, Danny and Corby were hanging out in
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The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
corby was acting acting crazy um you know he's just having all kinds of problems at home one time i spent the night with jake and corby came home late and he got into a cussing match with his parents like you know if you y'all don't love me you know he well it turns out that him and court danny were smoking freebasing you know they were into cocaine right and um
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The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
This would have been – I was probably 14, but I wasn't doing cocaine. But he was probably about 16. The one thing about Corey was he wasn't in the sports like we were, but he was in the drama department. And I saw him in junior high. He performed the lead in a play, and he crushed it. He was singing and –
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
You know, he was an actor and he continued on with that through high school and he had colleges looking at him for giving him a scholarship for the drama department. But it was the summer before my sophomore year in high school and it would have been for Corby the summer before.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
His senior year in high school, there was a newspaper article about a man had been found shot in this multi-level tree house, probably five miles from our house on the north side of Oklahoma City. And I'd heard about this tree house. It was some BMXers and skaters had built it. I'd never been there, but... A guy got shot there. They found him with a bullet wound to the head.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
And it was a big case. And it was called the Treehouse murder in the headlines. And they didn't know who did it for a couple of days. So it kind of came out who done it. But I remember my dad coming to me and asking me if I knew anything about this.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
and it was canvassing the neighborhood well it was from the newspapers because it was uh my best friend's older brother was the suspect you know and bam so this is jake's older brother is the suspect okay and um it turns out There was a guy. His name was Thornton. I'm going to say his real name because he's passed out of respect to his family.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
I'm not going to say his last name, but he was a 25-year-old guy hanging out with high school kids. That's odd. Right. Drugs. The paper said allegedly he was selling marijuana to the kids. I'm sure that they were doing other things as well, but also it says allegedly that he was making sexual advances on these boys. And one night...
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The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
One of Danny and Corby's friends got kicked out of this guy's apartment. And Corby and Danny had been freebasing cocaine all day and drinking. So they went over there to kind of avenge their friend being kicked out. And I'm sure there was other reasons behind it. You know, it was a scene I wasn't involved with.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
But they lured him to this treehouse probably to get high or give him money or something. And... And Corby shot him. And.
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The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
And I think they had a pretty good idea about it, you know, from from back travel. But yeah, he turned himself in. The crazy thing about that is I remember one night me and Jake had snuck out and we went over to Danny's house and this was before this happened. Hopefully you can edit it, but, um, um,
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and it's the first time i see danny kind of let his guard down and he was you know we got high or something we remember that song eight six seven five three oh nine and we were air guitar and that and it was cool we had fun but now i was like you know i gotta go jenny don't lose this number right um and um So they made a big deal about it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
I'd walked home millions of times, but they're like, no, we're going to walk you home. And Danny pulled out this gun. And I'm like, what the fuck? We don't need this. And they made a big deal about walking me home, whatever. See you later. Well, that was the same gun that was used in the murder. But it's devastating. I felt bad for Jake. I felt bad for Corby. I felt bad for his family.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
It was a big trial. so there was an actual trial or did he end up pleading guilty there was a trial and i haven't mentioned this on this tape i mentioned it to you um jake and corby's father was a high ranking official with the state department of corrections he was one of the top five guys for the oklahoma state department of corrections so that was blasted all in the papers and um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
The next day, the Secret Service leaves a card at his house and it says you need to contact me immediately. And bring your friend Kyle. I guess they knew that I was with them. We all got together and we didn't know what to do. And I got the idea for, I don't know why, but I said, let's go down to six flags.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
I read the transcripts and it was basically I think it was whether or not it was going to be a murder or. You know, I think they his family hired high priced attorneys, got it reduced to premeditated murder to a manslaughter. He got convicted of manslaughter in the first degree. How much time? 99 years.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
Okay. Life story here. Yeah. Yeah. I was born under a bad moon. Zanesville, Ohio, 1969. What's up? Uh, two, two parent home, uh, very stable one older brother very conservative very middle class very protestant um well provided for though my mom is from the panhandle of texas a small town girl very the nicest the gentlest easiest to like person i've met she's always been there for me
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well into six figures on the right path. I think because of who his father was and it was been blasted, he couldn't go to an Oklahoma prison. He, you know, maximum security prison. And I know that I don't know any of the details are particulars. I know that he was out in California and I think Washington state.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
And I think it was a pretty easy prison where he got like conjugals and stuff like that. But, uh,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
Right. You know, I remember the radio played from the trial and you heard a shriek in the courtroom when they announced the sentence. And that was their sister, you know, freaking out. And Jake, you know, I...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
felt like he was a pariah you know a lot of his friends parents told him don't hang around this guy you know he's bad news and my family always never did that to me right they were they were friends with i mean we were all tight and they didn't judge but um It sucked. I mean, it's sad that that happened. I think that happened because a guy was really high in a state of psychosis induced by drugs.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
In his trial, it says he admitted that he doesn't remember anything until he hearing a gunshot and looking down and it was in his hand. So... crazy! Kids don't do drugs, man!
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
You know, we ran in different groups. Jake's a center of attention guy in junior high. Do you remember a bullshit popularity contest? We called it spirit royalty. He was always voted one of the top three. I didn't really consider him this way, but girls would say he's a super good looking guy. Right. Confidence, you know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
By the time high school came around, I think he'd gotten kind of a bad reputation. But we... We would see each other, and sometimes we were friends, but I didn't hang out in the same groups as him. When me and Jake hung out alone, I felt like we could be ourselves.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
But it seemed like when we were around groups, that's when he tried to be the badass, you know, and starting fights with people and all that. And that was not my scene at all at that time. But through high school... Uh, you know, Jake played football and he was a real good football player and his sophomore year he was on the JV team and he, he scored like seven of the touchdowns at their team.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
It's, you know, seven out of the 10 touchdowns, but he was hanging out with that Danny kid. And why he would hang out with the same guy that was partially responsible, you know. Right. This is why I'm – this is why you look back and, you know, what happened, you know. It's friends. Even though I'm not making excuses for anybody or myself, but you –
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
I mean, I'm sure you have done that to some degree, haven't you? Yeah, I'm sure everybody has. But they were hanging out. Danny and Jake were robbing houses in high school. And in Oklahoma City, the toughest neighborhood that we knew of was the projects called Kerr Village.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
So they would rob houses, go to Kerr Village, and handle their business, you know, trading their stolen goods and buying crack, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
and for suburban kids to go into the toughest neighborhoods you know i mean yeah yeah it's a recipe for disaster it's also you know when you come from a very structured life and everything's you know as it should be there's no real excitement there's no real rites of passage proving grounds i think that's something that that was evident in all that but um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Jake was on the path to go to prison, you know? Right. But he straightened up, man. He had a girlfriend, a good girl that he – They dated, and I think she influenced him. He ended up dropping out of school because he got kicked off the football team and enrolled in a private school in which he could work at his own pace, and he finished his junior and senior year in one year.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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married his high school sweetheart, and they moved away to Baltimore, which he needed to get out of all the influences that he had. So after high school, that's where Jake went. For me, even though this story is all about my friend, I found out that my dad got transferred back to Dallas. So... The day I graduated high school, we moved to Dallas. And here I am in Dallas.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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My dad comes from Dallas, and he was a provider, a great provider. You know, classic old school dad took care of us. My dad was really strict. I mean, he wore the pants in the family. My dad got a scholarship, played major college football, was a Marine, and then became an FBI agent. What did he focus on? Sports. Oh, in the FBI? In the FBI, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Now I'm gonna switch this story up. This is a crazy thing in my life. But when I moved to Dallas, it was just like when I moved from Ohio to Oklahoma City. I felt like my whole world was dying.
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state of depression, you know, which I was moving to a great city with beautiful women, you know, all kinds of opportunity, but I had to feel sorry for myself, you know, and I was kind of mad at the world and we were staying with my grandparents and my dad's parents and they were really strict, you know, they were a lot like my dad.
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I saw, you know, the kind of people that you couldn't really be yourself around, but they were um successful yeah i wasn't in a great state of mind rebellious right and i didn't want to move to dallas little violence um we were staying with my grandfather my grandfather was very religious and um is he catholic No, we were Protestant. Very Protestant people. Hold your emotions in.
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Don't get me started because you will not get monetized and it's off topic.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
I mean, when I was a child, they told me that there's this invisible man that controls all and he knows every thought in my head and he's judging my... To me, that's pretty scary and intrusive, but that's a whole another... Should keep you on the straight and narrow, but it apparently didn't.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So we moved in. We were staying with my grandparents. My grandparents, my paternal grandparents always represented how we were supposed to be, you know, nice house country club brought us to church. Grandma always had swimming lessons and tennis lessons and vacation Bible school. And so they represented
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what I thought at that time was righteous yes pious life that you're supposed to be living right on and my grandpa and you just mentioned that you're a Catholic and the difference between Catholics and Protestants which I am is that in Protestant you decide on your own free will when you get saved when you accept the Savior, you buy the whole Bible.
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And when I was little, older brother, of course, did it when he was 12. Like a lot of people do it. I noticed my older brother all sitting with the kids from his class and they all got saved at the same time. And I thought to myself, just like the communist thing, I'm like, well, that preacher says that you're supposed to be sure, absolutely pure faith. But...
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Why are they doing it all around the same time? Are they actually sure when you're 12 years old? Are they doing it because their friends are doing it or because grandma and grandpa did it? And because mom and dad did it, I was that kind of asshole that questioned everything from, from the start. So I never did it because I didn't feel like I would be being honest.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I thought eventually I would work myself when I got older, you know? So, um, My grandpa, you know, at that time I had long hair, smoking, kind of a little rebel. Grandpa had to talk with me. He'd come to Jesus, talk, literally. Right. And I gave him the same answer I just gave you, very respectful and honest, you know. And he was quiet because he couldn't say nothing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And the way, it was the way my dad, my grandpa was, he's, You could tell that they were upset, but all their emotions were bottled. Internalized it, yeah. That's a big theme in our family. But the next day... My grandpa freaked out on me, and it's something involved.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He accused me of being about the worst person you can be, which I wasn't, and it was involved another family member, and it was kind of a backhanded accusation, and it was stupid, and I knew it was based on our conversation before, but at that time, my dad had told me, I mean, my dad had this conversation like, son, you shouldn't be doing this or whatever.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I got mad because I was like, that's what he thought I was doing? And I told my dad, I can't stay in this house anymore. And my dad understood. I mean, the thing my grandpa accused me of was... I can't even address it and it didn't happen you know it was stupid and my dad understood that but um I left and but that's the point in my life where all the things that my friend Jake
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Well, my dad was a man that revealed very little about himself and even less about his job. But when we were in Ohio where I was born, he was just a resident agency. So, I think they just covered everything. Whatever came in the door, right. Could be bank robbery, could be drugs, could be... I know that he used to... It's not like he was on a task force. No. Okay. He used to...
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you know had offered to come on come do this come get in this kind of trouble and i always said no at this point i said f it i don't care it was my breaking bad moment i guess even though i've never heard that that time so by the by i moved to dallas and the first friend that i met in dallas this is a crazy story You're going to think I'm crazy, but I'm going to tell it just how it happened.
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I was on my way to work. I seen this hot little like heavy metal, dope skinny kind of Stevie Nicks type. And I was wearing a Led Zeppelin shirt and she gives me the devil horns like that. And that was my first friend in Dallas. And she was 17. Her name was Sheila. And that day we had lunch and she's asking me what I'm into.
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And I was like, you know, I like music, having a good time, sports, whatever. And she's like, no, what are you into? And I'm like, I don't know what you mean. And she says, I'm a witch. And she said, oh, it won't work on you based on my reaction. You know, that's a world I never acknowledged, whatever. So anyway, her reaction. She had a boyfriend and they were my first friends in Dallas.
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And her boyfriend's name was John. What was he? He was just a suburban kid that they were... They were hellions, but he never said anything. They were hardcore alcoholics. At 17? Yeah. I mean, they were the kids that I didn't hang around. You know, the freaks in school. Right, right. They were more like that. You know, we were more like... The jocks. Eyes-on wearing, polo wearing. Yeah.
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The socias. Yeah, yeah. Outsiders. Yeah. I like it. But... One thing this guy told me, you know, he had these friends and in Dallas, on the north side of Dallas, there's a big old church. It was called the World of Faith. And it was a famous televangelist named Robert Tilton. When, you know, broadcast on TV, I think he got caught up in a scandal.
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Well, him and his alcoholic friends, I mean, hardcore alcoholics, probably in high school, they decided to rob a grave. And they broke into this church and perched a skull up in a urinal. Wow. It's all bad. It's all bad. So, you know, John, I think is the name I called him, he had just gotten out of jail for his, like, third DWI. And they were just my friends.
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And this is the kid that, like I said, they're, what, 17, 18 years old? Yeah, he was a year or two older, but the girl, Sheila, was a runaway from Tulsa. And I got to know her, but I got to be more friends with John because I'm not going to be best friends with the guy's girlfriend. But one day, they're sitting around, and we drank a little bit and dropped some acid maybe.
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But they're like, you want to do some speed? And I'm like, okay, like I always do. They busted out needles. And I'm like, nah, I'm good, you know? They're like, no, no, this is the best way to do it. You know, I'm like, okay. And so I'd snorted coke once in high school. But next thing you know, I'm shooting up meth, you know?
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And I hear all the addiction shows on YouTube talk about horrible addiction. People get on opiates and heroin and stuff like that, but... I mean, shooting up meth, I did it on the weekends. And I went to work. I didn't become a junkie like that. But that went on for about a year. But crazy story. And I wasn't high when this happened. Wasn't drunk. But John used to like...
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for me to come pick him up and hang out with his boys. He would leave Sheila at home and Sheila didn't like that. She would freak out. She'd be screaming and yelling and all kinds of stuff. But one particular night, I go pick him up and she's real calm sitting in the corner of the room.
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He used to be out of town for two or three days investigating the theft of cars that cross the state lines. But other than that, I don't know. A funny story my mom told me about was there was a drive-in movie and they were showing a movie called Flesh Gordon.
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And the mood's kind of like when a storm hits, you know, that morose, just kind of quiet, but you feel something in the air. She looks at John as we're leaving and says, I won't be responsible for what happens to you if you leave me alone tonight. And we're like, okay, you know, she's tripping. Put a hex on him or...
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okay so we go over to his friend's house and his friend has a japanese fighting sword and john grabs it and picks it up says check this out dude and he it's in a cover he thinks the cover only opens like this but it really opens like that and he sliced his fingers
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bad like bloods everywhere so i'm freaking out you know i take him to his mom's house his mom takes him to the er i call him a couple days later and he's like come check this shit out dude so i go over to his house and he's got a cast from here to here and
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They had like rubber bands connected to the cast and they had drilled holes in his fingernails with strings tied to the rubber bands because they had to reattach all his tendons. Oh. So that held it in place. But the crazy thing about this was the scars on his fingers were three lightning bolt S's. And that was the initials of his girlfriend. Do-do-do-do.
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You never know... but an interesting story about this girl is... When she moved to Dallas, her first boyfriend was in a band. He had started a band. The name of this band was called the New Bohemians. Okay. They were playing one night at a club in Deep Ellum, which is...
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a section of Dallas where it's cool with the party section of Dallas and a girl joined them on stage on a dare from their friends and this girl's name was Edie Burkell. Edie Burkell to know Bohemians. Right. They popped off with an album. You know, remember that song, I'm not aware of too many things. I know what I know if you know what I mean. And shoved me in the shallow water.
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and there was an x-rated version and then there was kind of like a soft core version so dad had to go check out the movie to make sure they were playing the soft core version and he took my mom on this undercover stakeout but uh growing up sports were a big deal my brother playing little league sports high school sports my brother played college baseball i stuck with basketball
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Sheila was dating the guitar player. Yeah, Sheila's boyfriend, they all lived in a house in a section of Dallas on Greenville Avenue. It's kind of an artistic section. Well, Edie kicked Sheila out of their house because Edie said she's practicing black magic on people. Sheila just couldn't get right. Now...
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couldn't do the right thing if and that you you have i was raised in within the container of reason and reality that stuff did not happen but when you witness stuff like that makes you recalculate whatever some scars it's fine I can tell you all kinds of stories now. I get into Native American stuff, and they acknowledge those worlds as being real.
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Even your own world you just mentioned has exorcisms, right? There's all kinds of craziness going on. Anyway, yeah. It's fine. That is a world beyond real and reason, and a lot of people don't care. They have no reason to venture out from there. That's all I can say, but on that album, you know, the album that Edie McKellen and New Bohemians came out with shooting rubber bands at the stars.
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There's a song called Little Miss S. You read the lyrics to it. I'm pretty sure it's about this girl that... Who would happen to her? Um... Her and Jeff had a, you know, she was, they broke up. She went back home. I really don't know. I hope she's all right. Right. That's all I can say. What's up, Sheila?
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So I told you those stories just to tell you the mindset I was in.
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So my old buddy, Jake, Moved to Baltimore, got married, trying to get away from all the bad influence. He's on a path to prison. Somehow, him and his wife moved back to Oklahoma City. They got homesick or whatever, and of course, being around all the old influences, they didn't last too long. So he got a hold of me, and I went up there.
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I think I was in college, in a community college, probably during Christmas break or something, and He was splitting up with his wife and him and Danny had hooked back up. They were up to their old games of breaking into houses. So they talked me into breaking into houses with them. How old are you at this point? 1918.
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So one weekend, I go out, we drive around all the neighborhoods, rich neighborhoods of north side of Oklahoma City. And just like you see in the movies or whatever, you're looking for newspapers and driveways. And we found a few prospects, waited till dark, and we'll drive through the same houses, the houses we remembered. And
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and slowly, we open up the mailbox and if they had mail in there... in their mailbox, they're gonna rob them and this is way beyond my... Because they're assuming that the house is vacant because they didn't get the mail? Someone's out... yeah, they got newspapers in their yard, they're getting mail, they're robbing the house that's you know...
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I mean, security people used to say, don't leave... If you're going out of town, pick up your newspapers. You have somebody pick up your newspapers.
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Wouldn't happen now because no one... Nobody gets a newspaper.
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Um... but so we spent that night breaking in about three house i was just driving you know right and they would be like okay let us off in the alley i was just driving parts you're part of the conspiracy i know it's like the guy driving the the getaway car
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So. But, dude, you know, I would drop them off in the alley and they'd say, come back every 15 minutes, man. And, you know, I was nervous. This is a world I did not.
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through high school um but watching sports was a big deal that's when my dad kind of was didn't seem so frustrated and mad and you know we were big fans of the dallas cowboys of uh i don't know uh did you get into trouble when you were a kid or first time i got in trouble i was five years old matt um there was a kid that that my mom agreed to watch. It was her friend who played tennis with her.
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i'm not proud of this yeah you know i just did it and they're very influential about from my friends but um we run about three houses and the funny thing after this happened and we had vcrs and silver and gold and they got a bunch like pillow cases full of change from this one i mean a thousand dollars worth of spare change that a guy had or something i don't know but um
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Danny and Jake would have this conversation that I'm sure they've had many times before where Jake was like, OK, we're going to take this money and we're going to invest it and we're going to rise up. We're going to quit robbing houses. And then he was like, we're going to we're going to go buy heroin.
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Oh, and then and then he was like, OK, yeah, we're just going to do this one time. We're going to show Kyle a good time. Right. And we go into the projects. The toughest neighborhood of Oklahoma City was called Kerr Village, or at least it was to us. And right. driving to the projects.
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And the thing about that place is there's only one way in and one way out, which kind of adds to the element of danger. But my friend had been doing this since high school, you know, a little 16 year old kid going in these places. And he told me, he's like, you know, these people have the edge on us because, you know, they're from the projects or whatever.
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And he said, all you have to do is act crazy, do something crazy in front of a group and you take the edge back. They're scared of crazy white boys. You know, this is the kind of this guy. He had nuts, dude. He had nuts from the time he was young, dude. But So we went in there, supposedly one time, and that lasted like three or four days of a crack binge.
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And... You guys didn't, there was no... We didn't do our come ups. There was no reinvestment. Yeah, it reminded me of playing sports, right? And, you know, coaches talking about, we're going to take state or whatever. But that happened. Nothing, you know, I didn't get busted, thank God. But I guess... I went back home to Dallas, and it was summer vacation.
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Jake had kind of linked up with this other guy. And his name, I called him Aldo in the book. Right. I'd heard about Aldo in high school, like all the girls chirping through the halls about this guy.
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great looking dude that they all liked and he was from a different school and he was kind of like a pirate or a conquistador conquering all the suburban girls you know i could have named him fonzie or fabio okay and uh i'll bet you that colby doesn't know who either one of those people are
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What's the other movie about the vampires? The Lost Boys. I was a big Jim Morrison fan back in the day. So... Where was I at? So, Aldo. Fabio. Fabio. Jake had hooked up with this guy, Aldo. And to give a backstory on him, another made-up name. But Aldo was... His mom was Italian-American and... his father was Latino.
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So you can imagine this guy, you know, Casanova, Don Juan, but Aldo had spent time in Houston. So I guess Jake and Aldo had combined their superpower, superpowers of juvenile delinquency. And he, Jake started doing what he'd talked about with Danny. They were going to Houston and scoring, um, ecstasy MDMA. Right. And, um,
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so they were driving down there one time and they were drinking or something and and auto rolled the car and he got busted and they busted him for a dwi and they had traces of cocaine or something like that so auto was sitting in the jail kind of thing i think he was just sitting out his dui time and jake got a hold of me it was It was my summer vacation from college.
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And I didn't know the kid, I was five. I was a little bitty shit, you know, you're five. But in my house, there's a lot of rules. It was real strict. You follow my dad's rules. And you know, it was kind of like the guest was always right. But this kid had just lost his father and his mom was out on a date. That's why he was with us. So I don't think he was in a good place.
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What did I do on my summer vacation, you know? So he's like, dude, I got this new crew and we're going to Houston and it's not what I was doing with Dan. It's fun. You got to come check it out. So I was like, okay, that sounds awesome, man, you know? And so I moved up to back to Oklahoma City and me and Jake started going down to Houston and scoring ecstasy pills.
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And we were living with this girl, you know, very attractive girl. And there was all the girls in the scene. They would come down to Oklahoma City. I mean, they would come down to Houston with us and Houston at that time was just crazy, you know? It was all these clubs, all these suburban kids and that vibe, you know?
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When you're on X, everything is relevant and you're cool and it's just the spirit of love, the energy, man! It's cool! But to be down there...
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scoring drugs it's it's a poor town so all the suppliers know people come in from out of town so when word gets out that there's buyers you know they would come to your hotel room and offer you i got this this is for this much you know it was kind of cool and it was kind of like an underground and at that time you know you're worried about
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your future and going to college and what you're supposed to be major but this was majoring and this was different this was free you know it was like f you to all that stuff so um
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Buy them for six dollars a pill. Sell them for twenty five bucks a pill. And this is at the time fashion to set the scene. It's remember the kind of the zoot suits? Uh, like your bow and Kazi and Z Cavaricci there. That was our crew. We all had Z Cavaricci with their baggy pants and they were filled up with pills and we were only 20 years old. We weren't even old enough to get into the club.
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Right. But. Bartender, give him a couple. I mean, we were kind of like the draw, you know, free drinks. It was living that high life. And so that went on. And, you know, eventually, I mean, I remember the girl that we were living at, you know, when we moved in there, I was like, man, are you sure it's OK for me to stay with her? You know, and he's like, oh, she don't mind.
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You know, it was a one bedroom apartment and. i i don't it was too much you know and but i remember that she had told me that her her mother was dating her friends with the guy that worked for the sheriff and even back then you know girls talk our business was being told to authorities or whatever right and um but
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You know, we were driving from between Oklahoma City and Houston like once, twice a week, you know, and then eventually we were living in hotels and it was just crazy. I mean, it's a lot of work doing that, you know? Right. And... How long did this go on? It went on my summer vacation, basically, but we eventually moved into an apartment.
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So when we were at church... How old was he? He was like six or seven. He was a year or two older than me. But... And I was a real gullible, naive kid. I think if this kid would have been my friend, I wouldn't have agreed to do what he wanted to do. But he hatched a plan while we were in church that we were going to walk to his house. And that was a long way away. And I was like, okay.
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and it was a real high tone, a nice apartment, had two bedrooms, had a hot tub in one of the bedrooms and it was like less than a mile from the subdivision. We grew up in the far northwest side of Oklahoma City but...
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um our landlord was this finance guy that'd been barred for doing some shady deals or something right he sat in the leasing office taking bets he worked for a big bookie all day but we would pay our rent with pills or later eight balls you know it's kind of kind of weird but you know it was club life all that it's Kind of like a 16-year-old wet dream, you know? Right.
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Girls, money, Jake and Aldo bought matching ZX-10 Ninja, you know, motorcycles. They might as well have said, I am a drug dealer tattooed on their foreheads, you know? I remember Jake used to Western Union money. to Houston to make deals. How am I? You can't do that. You're leaving a trip. You know, he's like, Oh, fuck it. If they if they don't catch it with me on me, they can't, you know, do so.
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Yeah, that's not true.
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And the feds, they can write anything. We're all guilty. Right. The feds want you. I hope they're not coming after me after all this, dude. But so I know that the the profit ecstasy we weren't making that much. And, um, I had, I had taken a couple thousand dollars out of my college fund, you know, and I gave it to Jake and I told him, dude, I'm not a drug dealer.
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You know, I just want his money back. I was kind of like that idealist. It's like, man, these drugs were meant to teach us, you know, like a hippie. I don't believe making money off of them, you know, just pay me my money. But he's like, sure. Okay. You know? Um, but, uh, Aldo had met a guy at the club, and this guy was from a famous basketball family in Oklahoma. That's all I can say.
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I believe that either him or his brother had coached a team I played junior high basketball against. And I guess he told drugs, too, or something. But... Aldo had gotten him to commit to giving us $3,300 for three ounces of cocaine. So we were switching commodities at that point. Well, they could get a quarter key for 43 and 40,
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A quarter key is eight ounces and this guy was only wanting three ounces. So for $1,000, they got five ounces of cocaine pretty much. So we were driving down to Houston. This guy...
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has a mistress this beautiful blonde lady she was like a model like a local swimsuit model or whatever and they're probably in her 30s she kind of resembled um melanie griff griffin griffith remember the act the blonde-haired actress um oh yeah yeah but she's beautiful and uh
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we drive down to Houston, we pick her up and as we're driving down, you know, Jake gives her like a couple hits of ecstasy and we're all rolling, you know, and she'd never done it before and we're having a good old time and she looks at him and she's like, I can't believe I'm going down to make a major drug deal with you because you look like you're 16 years old and your friend back there looks like he's about 14, she points at me, so that was crazy, but...
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And we got on the big wheels. Remember the little big wheel things? Did you have one? Those were awesome. We rode our big wheels up to the end of the cul-de-sac. ditched him and we were gonna walk to his house, maybe an hour away. and there was a... our neighbors had a barbed wire fence that that was the shortcut.
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We went down to Houston, they scored the coke, whatever and it was ether cut, fish scale, what people talk about the most preferred type of cocaine and we dropped her off at the airport. She had these baggy pants on and she straps it all to her thighs and all that stuff and the way she goes and from that point, yeah, the ecstasy, no one gets strung out on it, you know. Right.
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It's... It was okay but the cocaine's a little bit more serious but most people are... The stuff they were getting is straight off the brick, pure. Most people cut it. Right. They didn't cut it, you know. We just sold it but sold at a very high price so... From that point, things got weird, you know. I didn't want to be there but I just wanted to get my money back which...
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they could have paid me at any time, but they didn't. So, um, um, but there was a time we went down to Houston and, um, we used to do a lot of acid. We didn't do cocaine. I didn't like it. I wouldn't like the way it feels. Right. Like nothing sucks more than if you've ever been in a room full of coke heads talking, they just talk, talk, talk, and they don't hear you at all, you know, but, um,
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So me and Jake are on our way on a dope run to Houston. OK, we have just enough money to re up. Right. You know, a little for traveling. As usual, we drop some acid tripping balls way down there. And we were going to turn and burn. We were going to make the deal to come around and turn back. I tell him, dude, I got to get some sleep. I can't turn around and drive.
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If you want me to drive, I'm going to get a hotel. And he's like, yeah, cool. And I see a hotel on the north side of Houston, and it's $25 a room. Nice hotel. Yeah.
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the bargain and it was daylight so looks good and we pull in there and i remember this this black dude sitting there asking me if i need anything it should have been a giveaway and i'm like no we're straight appreciate it whatever but so jake goes to make the deal and i'm at this hotel and day turns into night and i'm hearing gunshots and people banging on doors and screaming and i'm like oh my god
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And I start looking out the window, and there's the same car circling the parking lot. And I'm like, man, what's going on here? And he gets back, and I'm like telling him, we need to get out of here. This place is hot. And he's like, man, you're always the paranoid one. It's cool. You're stripping.
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And he takes off the picture from the wall, and we –
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line up the biggest lines of coke you've ever seen right so probably good in that situation perfect yeah it was a good move so he ends up on the floor looking out the window seeing the same cars right i'm over the bathroom with this big old bag of coke ready to flush it down for like six hours finally i can't take it i'm out of cigarettes so i'm like dude I think we're tweaking.
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There was these two big German Shepherds that kind of guarded the opening of this fence and I was scared of dogs, you know. We didn't have dogs in our family, so we get to these dogs, I'm scared and the kid walks through and he's like, come on, they're not going to hurt you, you don't get through. So, I walked through them, we walked to his house
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I'm going to go get a pack of cigarettes. I'm going to shove this shit down my pants. And if nothing happens, we're getting out of here. Because cops will never look in your pants. I mean, I figured it was a suicide mission. Either I'd make it or I wouldn't. Of course, nothing happened. So I pick him up. He's like, get out of here. We're right on the intersection of
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i-45 and 610 if you're familiar with houston so i jumped i'm like man i need the five dollars i left that uh at uh for the key deposit we need that to get home and he's like no no so i stop in and i get my five dollars as i'm walking out there's a car that we'd seen circling and the guy gets out and points at me it's like there they are and i'm like oh shit i jump in the car and we haul ass and who were they what what
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Man, we don't know. I think they were like managers or like pimps or dealers because this hotel was in the hood. So, you know, it was... Action goes on. It was a hooker hotel or whatever, crack hotel. So, I mean, we thought... We were just out of place. Yeah, we didn't look right. But as we're driving up I-45, we keep seeing these same cars that we thought were circling the hotel.
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And then they'd pass us and then they'd be pulled over on the service road. So... We're like freaking out, and I'm asking him if we want to keep going up to Oklahoma and commit a federal crime or get busted in Texas. Texas time. And we're right by Huntsville, which is the headquarters for the Texas prison system. There's all kinds of prisons right from the highway. And he's got this towel.
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We got this towel in the car, and he... Put this big bag of coke in the towel. He chucks it out the window. It's our whole net worth. It's like chunking 10 grand out the window of your car. And as soon as he throws it out, he throws it out of the sign. We quit seeing all the cars and they all disappear. And...
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they're fucking they're they're coming at the at the room with battering rams like in their mind the cops are pulling up and everything and really no it's just some guy driving drove by twice it's actually two different cars you know it's a strange thing the mind on drugs you know don't get high on your own supply i guess but um we we ended up calling our buddy and we sober up by the time we get to dallas and we pull up to the sign and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Oh, you found it? Yeah. Oh, I thought you was gone. No, I was waiting for cops to be waiting on us or nothing. But, I mean, we had a lot of scares like that. You know, and I had little moments like that. A kid, Danny's little brother, David, sat down with me one day at our apartment and he urged me. He's like, dude, these dudes are hot. They don't hide what they're doing.
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And he looks in the window and then he said, okay, let's go. And I'm like, what the, you know, why did we do all this just so he could look in his window? So I was like, I'm not walking through back through the dogs and we're going to go the long way. So the long way was like two or three hours and we were going a long time. So when we were walking through this, this farmer's field,
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The cops know what they're doing. You don't belong here. You need to leave like now, you know, and he sat down for like two hours trying to. trying to convince me, he said, just get out of here. You can go stay with my house, with my mom, if you want, you know, and that meant a lot to me because he passed away not too long after that. So so respect to David or whatever. But I didn't listen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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We started noticing security following us around. We got in line for a roller coaster called the Shockwave. I got this new tattoo I'm proud of. You know the Shocker? Y'all don't know what the Shocker is? Where's Jake now? Jake's doing good. Jake-ing it up. Catching a case. He had a federal, state, local task force for him for drugs, okay? So, what happened? What did he end up getting?
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But the lady that went down to it with us to score the mistress lady, the diva lady. Right. She she they she knew people and she told me to get the heck away from these guys because, you know, they're on the radar.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
cops know what they're doing blah blah blah so um and we even had a guy that was staying in an apartment and tell us that one night a guy in a suit was rolling around uh the parking lot writing down license plate numbers and he even came up to our apartment was looking inside so i have no idea what that was all about but anyway um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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know it's a lot of work driving to houston once or twice a week and running an organization and doing all that one of the cool things about is when counting the money when you're you know apart the whole floor is covered in 20s hundreds or whatever one night um jake tells me he's going to um wipe his ass with a hundred dollar bill because he always wanted to do that and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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he did and flushed it down the toilet stupid but uh we we met this guy it was the night of the spice mike tyson sphinx fight in 1989 we got a room 100 room at the marriott or something like that just to watch the fight on the pay-per-view and we're tripping on acid as usual and jake tells me this guy's coming over to make a deal and this guy always bought like two ounces of coke
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He's like, this guy's kind of serious. He's big old boy, all steroided out. You know, he kind of creeps me out a little bit. But so anyway, the guy came over and I met him and, you know, he was real serious, all about business. And he was intimidating because he's so big, but he turned out to be a really good dude. And, uh, I'll call him Steve for the for the purpose of this show.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So, you know, he was buying buying a couple ounces for some people that own a nightclub or something like that. So after that, we decided to send down a minion to go down because we were tired of doing all the legwork and the minion. claims he got ripped off of all the money. So all that money that we had gone. Right. You know, we gave up our apartment. We had to move back in with with Jake's dad.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, his mom and dad had divorced. But the guy steve's turned out to be a good guy he had a body shop and he was giving us work trying to just get us back on our feet and he told us these guys that he knew wanted us to go down to houston and buy half a kilo of cocaine with counterfeit 20s they'd printed up a bunch of counterfeit 20s and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
there was a barn and he pushed me in the barn. And he told me that the old widow farmer lady likes to shoot trespassers with a shotgun loaded with salt. And he pushed me in his barn. And I remember all the things up to that point. But after that, I don't remember anything. But we've been gone for hours. My mom and dad were freaking out. My brother and all the neighborhood kids were looking for us.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He just didn't want it all.
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This was straight up... I mean, he was dealing with Colombians, you know? And it's not like the movies. It's a house. Right. And it's a family. But they got people watching now and... These counterfeit 20s were the Secret Service called them very low quality. But the texture of them didn't feel right. They say you're supposed to put them in a dryer and put stuff in there to kind of rough them.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I don't know. There's a movie called To Live and Die in L.A. a long time ago.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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See, I don't remember the ending. It's been so long.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
I find that most stories... aren't like the movies where everything is precise and military precision. It's idiots that fall into things, you know?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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To me, that's real life versus delusion. But so these guys, I wasn't dealing with the guy, but Chase, like, no fucking way, dude. I mean, this isn't slipping a few 20s into a lot of real money. Right, this is all...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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yeah he's like no I'm not going to do that and I feel like ripping off Colombians although I'm sure they're good people it doesn't sound like a good idea no seems like it could go bad yeah I've heard about them cutting your tongue out and yeah do another thing crazy things but um right on right on so but they gave this in-between guy this guy Steve ten thousand dollars for us to kind of look at give him some paper
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. And they told him whatever you just look, this is for looking, you know, to see if you all want to do this deal. Don't be spending it. They told him not to even touch it. Of course. Badass Jake, he's taking it and taking girls out to movies and spending it, just exactly what they told him not to do. So at this time, it's getting to be my summer.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I miss summer, the fall classes, because I'm still stuck here. I'm wanting to get my money back. right scared to tell my dad that i'd done right but um i had crashed my car so the only transportation we had was his motorcycle his crotch rocket so i'm riding around bitch on that and it's getting cold but um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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We're riding on that, and he gets pulled over by Bethany, Oklahoma police, and they arrest him for a ticket, a warrant, a bench warrant. So I'm freaking out, because I know he's got all this money on him. So I get the bike back to Steve's, and Steve's like, oh shit, you know, and we're about to go to the police station, and we see him, Jake, strolling down the road.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And when I got home, my dad kind of snatched me by the arm and took me up to the room and he was spanking me you know and he wanted me to cry to submit and my mom said i wouldn't do it you know i felt like hey this ain't on me that wasn't my friend i was just being a guest i was looking out for him but my mom started to cry so she started so i started to cry or whatever but ever since then
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He's like, they can't hold me down, you know? We're like, what happened? And he's like, well, you know, when they bust you, they take all your possessions and they've seen all this money and the jailer dude's like, son, you got enough money to bond yourself out. So this dumbass bonded himself out with counterfeit money. So, you know, we're not, that's not going to be.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The next day, the Secret Service leaves a card at his house. And it says, you need to contact me immediately and bring your friend Kyle. I guess they knew that I was with them.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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so this is how'd you feel when you saw your name heat shoot up through your body oh my god yeah but i knew i hadn't you know i hadn't done anything jake does what he does i'm just driving the car he just it's yeah but uh jake i mean of all the stuff we did I mean, if we got caught with drugs, that's bigger than counterfeiting by a long shot, I think.
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But anyway, Jake's like, okay, he does what he does best. You know, he starts scamming, making up a story. He's like, okay, I'm going to say that I was at a bar and a guy came to me and asked me for change. And he's like, you're going to verify that. And I'm like, no, I don't want to do that. Thank you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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the fuck who's making change for giving you ten thousand dollars in counterfeit money what kind of change was he making for what what bill i had a ten thousand dollar bill like what am i a bank i don't think they would have bought it huh no i don't think they would have bought anything across i don't think it was making change for a fucking 20 they were gonna buy it so right now like if you were playing a if we were writing a movie script or we were playing a virtually virtual reality video game and me i had three options you know i could either
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The first option would be probably go home and get away from the scene and not have any issues. Right. Or the second option would be lie to the Secret Service for my friend. Or the third option would be the option that we picked, which would we all got together and we didn't know what to do.
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And at one point we were thinking about one of us go to like Kansas City and another go to another town and just start spending, buying dollar things or whatever. I got the idea for, I don't know why, but I said, let's go down to Six Flags Amusement Park in Dallas. They'll never know what counterfeit money is.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The Secret Service doesn't give their employees a course on how to pick it up, which we found out they did, and it's fenced in.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
You know that show, The World's Stupidest Criminals, and we watch it. And in hindsight, you know, you can laugh at people, but when you get caught up and you're not thinking straight, you know, that's all I can say. Right. Sorry. But... So, we all... Not only does the... Steve decided to go with us. He gets his business partner, which they own a body shop, this guy named Roger.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I felt like I couldn't come to my dad, like I had to hide stuff from him, you know? Right. And after that kind of a pattern established of taking risk. So like when our neighbors had to shed and I climbed up on the top of it and I was throwing tools off of it, I got too far from the edge and I took a header, landed on my wrist. My wrist was hurt real bad.
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And Steve's wife decides to come with us. And they have three kids. And this mission that's doomed to fail from the start. I mean, even if we got away with it, they already had these serial numbers. And, you know, it was...
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to the cops it had to be be comical but uh so we drive all drive the six flags this awesome crew of criminals which six flags one in arlington texas dallas area so i guess subconsciously i was getting closer to home one way or the other but um So, we get a hotel room that night and next morning, off we go and I'm the most proactive one there. I mean, we all had $2,000 to spend.
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There's five of us, that's 10 grand but I'm doing it, man. I'm buying shit, you know? So, are you supposed to be trying to get change or just spend it?
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And there's a basketball hoop game where you shoot to get stuffed animals. Well, I did that one a couple times because I always played basketball. I thought it was pretty good. And those games are rigged, by the way. But I didn't win the prize. And that guy... Picked it up. The counterfeit? Yeah. And we started noticing security following us around. And this is another kind of funny thing.
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I was wearing my favorite shirt, which kind of explains my attitude and what I was doing there at that time. It was Sid Vicious. The bassist, the late bassist for the punk rock band, the Sex Pistols. And on the front it said... Undermine their pompous authority, reject their moral standards, make anarchy and chaos your trademarks, blah, blah, blah. Okay?
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And it all had on the big black in the back, it read SID, S-I-D. So I can imagine the security people talking, yeah, it's SID, you know. I'm like wearing a jersey identifying myself. But we got in line for a roller coaster called the Shockwave. And... You know, you wait in line. It's kind of like, you know, you kind of forget what's going on.
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But there was a guy in front of us as we're waiting in line for about an hour. And he's kind of looking at us funny. And we get on and we ride the roller coaster. And we pull up to the little boarding station. And the guy that had been sitting in front of us in line all the time was like undercover Six Flags security. And he's got two local cops and they...
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point us all out and they don't raise the bar and they take us out and frisk us and they're pulling out all this money and it was crazy and they handcuff us and take us through the jeering laughing crowd you know and all my friends were were had their heads down but i was like fuck y'all you know y'all did they get every single person yep even the kids No, the kids weren't with us at the time.
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They just had kids, which... Oh, okay, okay. Sorry about that, yeah.
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So, I remember we're sitting in Six Flags security office, and we're just giving each other shit, you know, fuck. And they took all our information, and there's a lady cop, and I remember, I guess... whenever you run my ad my license it pops up who my dad was and she's like did you know your dad's an FBI agent yeah I know he used to leave at nine in the morning I don't know where he went but um
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and I had to hide it from my dad, you know? And another time, I rode our skateboard down this steep-ass hill and crashed at the bottom, had to hide it. Another time, I was climbing this tree, I was way high and I was holding on to a branch like this and the branch broke and I was falling, two, two, you know, hitting branches. I latched on to one and I caught myself but...
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and I remember that Jake had a bag of weed and it's common now it's you know but we called it hydro. It's real expensive weed hydroponic weed but he had a bag of weed in his pants and he flushed it down the toilet in the office but finally we knew the guys in suits were coming in a secret service and they take us and take us to Fort Worth downtown to the secret service office and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It's late at night, I'm in this dude's office and it felt exactly like that uncomfortable feeling I had with my dad. I was trying to make conversation. I'm asking him about the football game and who won this game, you know? And it was stupid, but he sat me down and like, what's up, son? And at this time I had no experience dealing with police.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So I didn't know you're not supposed to talk or whatever, so.
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I looked up. They told me someone was trying to scare me, and they said that the max penalty is 20 years, and that they had me for seven, and they could stack them. They're not going to stack them. The average penalty for counterfeiting is 18 months.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That's 15 year. I mean, I hope he got a lot of stuff with that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, it's a self-image thing. It's all the energy they spend on figuring out how to circumvent the law. They could have.
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I'm like, fucking, what do you mean?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I've read about younger siblings taking risks, but it seemed like subconsciously I was finding trouble. And then Heidi, you know? This makes me sound like some sort of psycho serial killer, but it's not that bad. But I think every single one of us, when we look back at our life, has little patterns and little tells that I don't know. My brother, always obedient, straight, good at sports.
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He doesn't need any money on his books or anything.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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My uncle told me that similar, one of the best crimes risk reward is being a bookie. I mean, I don't know how many bookies you ran across.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Or maybe tax evasion or something like that. But I've heard that having like a blackjack table, if they caught you with a blackjack table, that's a federal charge. I don't know. But so I'm sitting in this guy's...
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office and he writes out a statement basically saying yeah i knowingly and willingly passed and possessed fake bogus u.s notes and i signed it right and um i did i throw my friend under the bus at towards the i didn't offer it they they came to me and they said did your buddy know that money that he bought it i was like yeah did he
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i mean how you know but does the pope wear a funny hat but um um so then it's like three in the morning and they're taking us to some federal lockup and a sheriff's in johnson county texas and i never been to jail before i didn't know what was going on so when they pull us in the jail and They give us our jumpsuit things or whatever, but no one searched us or anything.
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I mean, Jake could have kept that weed on him, and I could have brought a gun in there for all I know. But I remember walking back through that corridor, and we used to have a saying that Danny used to say because he'd been to jail before. They'd talk about, sweet lady with the big 20 is gonna be your celly you know like whatever and and i was like man what's gonna happen if they want me and jake
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together i'm like oh that's cool he'll be here but they put him in one pod me and the other and as soon as i walked in i heard a guy from the back you know say all right another white guy you know and it turns out me and him were the only white guys in there but it wasn't bad at all you know it is nothing happened i remember um
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jake got a homie because you could see the window there was glass right there and he's banging on the window he's like it's sunday meet me in church and so we signed up for church and we went and you know and i have to say that the the protestant churches the dry protest churches i've always attended this had a lot more spirit in it man the guys were really into it they were praying you know they had a lot to pray for i guess but um
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We were talking about they brought in Steve and Roger, but they came in and got Steve early morning because he was cooperating. They flew him back to Oklahoma City. They went to his shop and set up all the cameras and had agents there and everything. He called the people and said, hey, we got rid of that money.
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I mean, I benefited from someone cooperating, but whatever.
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it doesn't so he set the so they came in put cameras throughout his shop and yeah they got the guy and that's the guy was the printer and they caught 3.4 million dollars in 20s and the plates and it was the front page of the paper you know and uh It's quite different from when I used to look at my high school basketball scores and see my name in the paper.
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But I remember my mom and dad came to visit me and that wasn't fun. My dad was cool, but my mom was crying.
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He knew he was supposed to be a Republican when he was eight years old, kind of like Michael J. Fox, you know? And I remember, like, with sports, he remembered every, you know, where did this guy go to college? And he's like a sports team still to this day. Sports is his, you know, he follows his college football team around. He loves sports. That's my brother's way of kind of partying, you know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So that was kind of like an Ides of March thing.
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I know. I understand. I mean, I got good grades in school and was in college.
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Oh, so they, they take us to this funny story. They take us to the match, the Fort Worth federal courthouse. Right. I had my Sid Vicious shirt on. It said undermine their promises, blah, blah, blah. And I think one of the jailers said, you don't want to be wearing that shirt. And, um,
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so i i borrowed a shirt from roger and it was a tequila a worm with the tequila tequila bottle and a worm or something like that but um the the funny thing about that is you know they took us into that holding cell and it reminded me of these old cells that when i used to go visit my dad in ohio you know them them official looking federal courthouse with granite type walls or floors and um
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But they called me in to sit down with the clerk and she's asking me all these questions. I guess it's a... uh, pretrial report or something like that, a bond report. And she's asking me, well, what, who you will be living with? What are the occupations of who you'll be living with? And I tell him about my dad, you know, what he does.
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And she's like, wow, I don't hear that too often, you know, but then Jake goes in there and does the same. And Jake tells me that as he's sitting in his clerk's office, the magistrate leans his head into the door and says, um, what do you think, Stacy? What are our counterfeiters going to be flight risk?
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And she's like, well, this one here, his father runs all the prisons in Oklahoma and his buddy in the cell, his dad's an FBI agent. So I think we're pretty safe with these two. But, um, I remember the cell... My dad called me into one of them rooms where you talk to your lawyer. Yeah. And that's when he's letting me... Like, what the... What were you doing? Blah, blah.
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You know, I'm like... Whatever. Getting defensive. But I think he told him to leave me in that room because you couldn't... You can't open the door. Yeah. And that's when I felt... The whole thing of being locked up kicked me and I'm like, oh shit. It's going to be a lot of locked doors in the future. The whole thing, Matt, is...
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I was more worried about facing my dad than... I mean, I don't know if that's respect or fear or a combination of both. But I remember in the cell, there was this old-looking white convict dude. And then there was this Nigerian dude. They arrested him for being at the airport, and he had like $10,000 cash he was taking out of the country.
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And I didn't know that was a crime, you know, but I found out it was. But Jake's rapping easy lyrics loud so everyone can hear. And I don't know, I thought that was surreal. But they pull us into the courtroom and the magistrate lets us all out on a PR bond.
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okay and i'm sure that has to do with the cooperation blah blah blah but the only funny thing about all that was the guy roger was this good old oklahoma boy and he has a what do they call it now politically correct he has a speech impediment right so they the magistrate
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doing us right, ask us if we have any questions, and this guy Roger raises his hand and says, Your Honor, if I go to prison, can I get my teeth fixed? And I'm just like, why are you saying that? Anyway, we got out, and that's when... My dad's taking me back home where I should have gone before all this happened and say goodbye to my counterfeiting career. Yeah, and I was...
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But I remember my brother used to, like,
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i was uh they put me on pre i had to report to a pre-trial officer and whatever that was final jake had a a girl pre-trial officer and jake was like man i think she likes me i'm gonna get in her pants and uh anyway we had we were waiting playing the waiting game i remember too my dad had a
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a lawyer friend they played college football with and he was a personal injury lawyer but then the very next day when I got out they had set up a meeting with these these you know crime lawyers you know these high high price defense lawyers and we all met at a Denny's and on the way there I was riding with the lawyer guy my dad's friend and we he had the national news on back when you know when the am stations would run the loops and our case was on there I was like I was kind of
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talk about communists remember when the communists were the cold war and we were supposed to fear the communists and I'd tell my brother hate on the communists and my dad would be all proud of him and stuff and I would be like man he doesn't know anything about this stuff you know he's just doing what dad wants him to so I would say something like if our government tells us that their government lies to them couldn't our government be lying to us
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I'm sure your dad was like, hey! Can you imagine what they said?
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He was embarrassed you know he tells me you know he got a call in the middle of the night from his supervisor you know but um um so these we're sitting at a dinners my dad's there and the lawyer friend these two criminal defense self-important guys and they're wanting to hear this big crime caper and I'm not going to say nothing with my dad sitting right there and I mean I came out as adult you know which probably isn't that hard
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For me, they didn't want any part of this case.
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He charged me like 500 bucks. I had to pay restitution.
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So... But we had to wait. You know, it was all up to the prosecutor what we had. I think I waited like six months or a year and probably about six months and he called us in there and he said there was four of us. One of us was not included in on this deal and you can guess which one it was but...
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uh you know he let us off on something called a pre-trial diversion where you agree to stay out of trouble for a year right and it's i mean not you don't even have to put it on applications or anything like that so that's what happened to me um
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after that i get a job at little caesar's pizza and i'm riding my bmx bike to community college trying to do the right thing but my buddy jake he's back in the mix you know and uh he's starting to to get back in the drug game and I heard a story through the grapevine about how he had fronted some drugs to this girl and this girl wasn't paying him back and he was going to leave town.
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So he arranged for this girl to be at another friend's house. He was having a relationship with this girl's friend. And he was going to rob her. He had recruited this guy to rob her. So they called the girl over to the apartment complex one night. Jake and the robber are waiting around the corner. The guy's not even supposed to have a gun. So the guy... goes around, robs her. He has a gun.
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She tries to fight back. Is Jake with her? No. Jake's not there. Jake's like, oh, there she is. And she went out. She went out fighting. She didn't punk out. The robber guy hit her over the head, and the gun went off and killed her. Her name was Cheryl. Respect to her family. I didn't know her, but... So Jake gets, there's about four or five people involved in this conspiracy.
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And he's like, has none of us ever talked? That's not possible. Right. We can get away, you know, and they threw the gun in the lake or something like that. I heard that like people did talk, like not those five people, but people getting in trouble for other stuff. The cops knew. They just couldn't piece it all together. They never made a case about it. But Jake just keeps on going. I remember...
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He was running a book. He was being a bookie for a while, which in Oklahoma, that lasts for football season and basketball season. But eventually, he got back into the drug game. And him and Aldo...
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built it up and built it up and they grew and uh he was getting the cops knew there was a there was a local vice cop i think is what they called his drug cop on his tail and they they busted in his room one time and he didn't have drugs on him but they took like 50 grand from him or something like that
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Um, the kid, David, our good friend, Danny's little brother ended up ODing on Coke, which, which sucks, you know, respect to him and his family. Um, But Jake knew they were after him, and it turned into this game of cops and robbers, you know? And at this point, he was up to full keys. He was flipping keys, and it was kind of like a multi-level marketing thing where he would come into town.
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And they would call me a communist, you know? If you can see that dynamic. Right. The good, bad, you know, positive reinforcement was not... was a rare commodity in our house. And my brother kind of cornered the market on that. So, you know... So, you like to poke the bear. Yes, sir. My friends later on, I'm going to tell you about, I think, similar, you know? Right.
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He knew he was being watched, so he would... He had six people under him, six runners, whatever you want to call it. So he would all give them six ounces. They would give him back six grand, grand an ounce. So he would turn 20 into 36. And the paper said that he was doing several kilograms a month. And Oklahoma City is a small, big city. Right. So when...
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you get a name for yourself you know your reputation people talk you know right cops thieves whatever you know they they knew then they didn't hide their stuff at all everyone knew what they were doing they high rolled it they might as well have had tattoos that say i sell drugs you know but um um
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Along this time, when Jake knew that he was being watched, he didn't keep the stuff on him, but there was a spot we used to hang out in the country, and he would bury his stuff there. And his six people that sold for him, they would meet him there. And that's where they divvied up. One day, he had stashed a kilo there, and it was gone.
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so he knew it had to be one of those six people that was under him so he went to them all and he said look man i know you stole my stuff right and you need to rob a bank to pay me back and it worked the guy that did it it's like you got me yeah and this guy was uh my god How'd you know?
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This guy, I mean, the way I say it, if you met this guy, I mean, I know you're a master manipulator, you definitely, but y'all, I'm sure, well, you just talked about prison and there's got full of guys. I can only imagine all the... The Jedi mind tricks going on in that place, right?
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So what... So this guy, his name is Jamie. He's dead now. I'm not making up a fake name. And he was known to be the toughest guy on the north side of Oklahoma City. He was just kind of crazy. I think he was a little mentally off, but... Anyway, the way Jake tells me the story is that one day, you know, he put the bug in the ear about robbing a bank.
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So one day him and it's Aldo's little brother, and I'm going to name him Sancho in this story. It's not his real name, but Latino people might understand why I say this towards the end.
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He says that him and Sancho, Jake and Sancho picked up Jamie and they were just cruising, going somewhere and they passed by this bank and Jamie's like, pull over here and he pulls out like a president mask and a gun and he says, I'm going to rob this bank to get you your money back and y'all just turn around and wait for me and So he jumps out of the car and Jake's like, No, we're leaving.
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You know, they didn't sign up for this shit. So but I thought Jake told him the rival bank told him to, but not with him as an accomplice. So I think he when when Jamie went into the bank that he said, you know, gives the teller a note and she looks at him and as president, Maxis starts laughing at him, but she did give him the money.
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And he told me this crazy story how they took off and Jamie ended up running to Jake's house, which was like a mile, mile and a half away. And, you know, he had the blue dye all over him. And so he... And then for some reason, he got spooked and... called his girlfriend to pick him up.
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But the only other thing about being from Ohio that kind of added to this story is... My whole family is from Texas and older brother kind of rub it in that you're a Yankee, you know... we're all from Texas, you know... kind of thing. Just kind of... that's the kind of ways... kind of the way it was. I hope you... High school? Do you get in trouble in high school or?
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And even though they'd kind of shut the grid down, they decided it'd be wise to drive right back by the scene of the crime. And that's where they caught this guy in his underwear with blue dye all over him. But I later read that he got caught pretty much right at the site. I don't know why. Jake told me this story. I think he was preparing a story just like the Secret Service.
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If he gets interviewed by the cops or something like that.
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I think he was practicing on me. What is it? Pathological? When you believe your own...
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Yeah, that's what the paper said. Jake's story is better but... Right.
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I don't know why his reason for making that story... I mean, it had to be something he was covering up but... I don't know. I mean, a crazy thing kind of an interlock to all this and how it all ties together is... The guy that investigated that bank robbery was my dad's old partner in the FBI. And Jake told me they sat down and he asked him what he knew about this robbery.
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And he says, you know, it sucks, man. That guy's crazy. And he's like, the guy's like, well, can we play you a recording? And this was a recording from Jamie's answering machine. And it's Jake saying, man, when are you going to hit that bank like we talked about? And Jake's like... He got a shit-eating grin and he's like... I want to wear, you know?
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But... It's just... That agent... His son used to play on a Little League basketball team that we played on.
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Like I said, I think when we first started all this, I think it was circling around, you know, it's weird. Sometimes you think that a cop knows someone that has potential. They let them kind of rise up, and they'll say it's for gathering evidence, you know, to follow the chain. Right. But, you know, I think that you could say that the cop's waiting. It makes better headlines.
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It makes him look better. You know, you see both sides of it, but I think... People knew... I don't know how... I don't know. What happened? Where's Jake now? Jake's doing good. Really? I mean... but we don't... we're not nearly as close as what... Jake ended up catching a case. He had a federal state local task force for him for drugs, okay?
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And I mean, I just imagine in this... you know like in the movies where you see...
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like crimes and they're pointing... you know they have to... and all there's all these... think about the trajectory of crime... I mean all by this kid... you know you have murder... you have the largest counterfeit bust... a bank robbery... and a big old drug case all pointed to this one guy but... he ended up getting busted you know... and they caught him when you know they busted in the hotel rooms.
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How much time did he get? He got 10 years. We got about nine years, but he cooperated. He set up his guy. I mean, they were handing out big sentences. You know, he could have got 20 or 30, I'm sure, if he wouldn't have cooperated or took it to trial. So he does his time, and God, I get all kinds of stories. I'll tell you one story. He self-surrendered, okay?
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I heard you talking on the last show about you wonder about people, why they self-surrender, why they don't just run and make them catch them or whatever, but...
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Jake ended up his dad got him a job at some small town sewer department so he he joked and said he went from high rolling to shoveling shit basically but Jake being Jake he befriended just fell in love with this beautiful blonde young Oklahoma country girl and um I think you know they were getting married but he talked about he got the call to surrender it was about a year.
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I always got great grades because I had to get good grades. I mean, we started getting in trouble very young. When we moved to Ohio... I felt depression. I mean, I didn't know. I felt just like my whole world was dying. After we moved from... My dad got transferred from Zanesville, Ohio to Oklahoma City. He's from Texas. And the Bureau makes the agents move every 10 years.
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We took a trip to Vegas which was kind of cool when you know when your buddy's going away for 10 years but so he's it's his last weekend of freedom so him and his girl they're partying they're having a good time and he bought her some lingerie
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and she in turn by him like a little you know one of them stripper purple banana hammock type thongs to wear whatever and so they did their thing he gets dropped off at county jake worked out he's all yoked up you know he can handle himself but he said in county you can't work out food sucks got scrawny but he got to call the report to his prison
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But you know when they have you stripped to your skivvies? The only skivvies he had was this thong thingy that his girlfriend bought him so... It's not the best way to go in. You know he's not... He's the kind of guy that handles his business you know and he doesn't... I mean... But he has crazy prison stories so he did his time, gets out he...
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I went to go visit him when he was in Fort Worth for the last little part, Fort Worth Medical, which is where that Tiger Joe guy is now. But that's a trip to visit your friend in prison. It was just kind of crazy. But he ended up, he ran a book. That was his hustle when he was in Fort Worth. And he ran it for this big famous bookie out of Oklahoma named Pody Poe.
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Pody Poe used to have an underground casino in the old money section of Oklahoma City called Nichols Hills. for years like the mayor football everyone knew about it but they finally busted him on it but you know he would talk about sweating out games and these guys you know they have nothing but time so they get real good at picking games and all of that stuff but um
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When he gets out, he gets into a business that a lot of cons get into. I'm not going to say it because he's still in that business and it's kind of a public business but killing it, crushing it, making six figures within two years. He marries this beautiful girl that looks like Audrey Hepburn. They have a baby there. He's driving a Lexus. He just closed on a brand new house out in the suburbs.
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Well his friend Sancho got arrested in Oklahoma City on minor drug charges like he stole his girlfriend's camera and pawned it. So he's gotta get high so bad he tells him all the details about that murder. So Jake gets out of feds, works his way, has his whole life set and the same cop comes get him for this murder charge and they're charging him capital murder. Drug kingpin.
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I mean, the death penalty was on the table so... This is recent? This was in between his prison sentence. So he did 10 years in the Fed. He got out early 30s.
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He's gone away. You know, he... well he got he hired lawyers family hired lawyer he lied a lawyer whatever big good lawyers you know i can only imagine his family this is the second murder trial that they've been through with their sons it's right and they're all good people and you know i know they're all doing well but um
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The whole thing was, in his case, the crux of it was whether or not he knew the guy had a gun. And if they would have proven that he would have got a gun, he would have got life, murder in the first degree. But he got murder in the second degree. But during his trial, Sancho, the same guy that snitched him out, which Jake snitched on his drug case, so kind of karma, started having an affair.
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Got murdered in the second degree. He got 25 years.
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with jake's wife the mother of his child they were walking in the court can you imagine so so what happened what did he end up getting got murdered in the second degree he got 25 years you started this off saying he was doing fine well he we're i'm fit we're 54 he did 10 years he did in state he did half of it he did 12 and a half years he's out
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I think probably so they can't get corrupted or something. I don't know. But, you know, it's like you put in where your preferred residence is. And Dallas is where my dad's from. So we got closer to Dallas. So...
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Making six figures, that's why, I mean, he's like you, he's a winner, you know?
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He's like, you know, he lands on his feet and he did not mean for, these are decisions that he made very young.
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You hear about like kids from the inner city that happened and now they're just along for the ride and I think that a lot of that depends on the affluent. I mean, if you have enough money to hire a team versus a public defender and but yeah, because in both of these cases,
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oklahoma is indian territory if you remember that from your history channel and i think that place is a little cursed from all that but when i moved there i was immediately getting into trouble it was just guys on my little league how old were you eight i
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It's so scary.
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The equity under the law thing and I mean, there is none in my opinion, but... It's a harsh system, bro.
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Man, I wrote a very rough draft about all this. I had a couple years off. I've been a over-the-road truck driver for 15 years. So, salute to all your drivers out there. It's hard work.
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Yeah. I mean, I was a road warrior. I was a trainer. So I would work 330 days out of the year and I had to train students that you don't know who you're getting. But I mean, I ran, ran coast to coast and then I bought my own truck and ran the oil fields, which I got pulled over in South Texas a few months ago.
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four times in 12 days on random inspections because the governor's protecting our borders somehow by pulling over sand trucks and inspecting us but the trooper told us we know you guys run 24 hours in the oil fields it's... It's crazy man and but that's what I've been. I mean, I worked my whole life. Had a couple ex-wives, you know?
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I have a story, but I can't tell the story. But one of the friends I met, my first friends, and this guy is going to be a key player in this story. His name was Jake, and we played on the same Little League basketball team. Same Little League football basketball team. Baseball my dad would coach one team his dad would coach other.
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He's a tough guy. I loved it! It's for a scammer because you're always plotting, you're trying... when we had paper log books... I mean people wouldn't understand but you're just constantly... how can I manipulate this time, time, time and as a trainer, I worked for a company that had a lot of freight so the trainers kind of... they can... we can run more time so you become the elite and
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the little solo drivers, here's Matt driving, he's got a good load but there's a trainer, a shark coming in. I try to get your load because I can take it farther and I don't know, it's hard work but I liked it.
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Like it's... Imagine you have to trust this guy that you've never met that's driving your truck out of driving school. Yeah, I was a trader for seven years. I met all kinds of crazy, some mostly cool guys just to hear stories from all over the country. The mentally ill ones, you got to stay and live with them. It's like having a celly, I think. It's smaller than a prison cell.
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I met some cool cats. Met a guy from D.C. that did time... I don't know if you've ever heard of Lorton Prison. It was... You know, DC doesn't have a jail. It's not a state.
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They all... Before that, they had a prison called Lorton. It was in Virginia. And he called it the most corrupt prison in America. But... This guy was like an inner city kingpin, and he had so many stories, you know, and the happiest guy I've ever met, you know. He never got mad or anything, but it was cool. That's what I've been doing. I literally jumped off a truck.
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I just got fed up with it, so I've had a couple years off, and my mom's getting older, so I've been helping... With her, take care. I've done a lot of cooking and finding TV shows for my mom because she can't figure out the streaming stuff. Right. A lot of chick flicks and working stuff out in my head. Like writing...
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Writing the story and writing your life story, I think you mentioned you did that when you were... It's very therapeutic. It's very cathartic. You look back at things and see them in a different light, I hope so. I'm in a good place, I guess. As good as I've ever been. I was nervous on this thing, but... I tried. Thank you for having me. Thank you for showing any interest at all.
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Can you think of anything we didn't cover? We're good? I could talk a lot of stuff, but you said to keep it on topic.
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I mean we were close and so we I spent the night at his house and His mom and dad said good night boys. Have a nice night about 30 minutes later his older brother Corby
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eases the bedroom window up and i'm like what's up and we snuck out into the forbidden night you know and it felt kind of good you know we i mean i don't know what we did we i think we ran around and rang doorbells and ran i think we broke into a car and stole some coke some some grocery some grocery bags that were left in the car but from the get-go, I mean, these guys were crazy.
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They weren't scared of getting in trouble. I wouldn't do this if I was at my house because my dad would have my ass, right? But through the years, we used to sneak out all the time when I hung out with Jake. Jake was kind of the opposite. He was a confident guy.
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hey this is matt cox and i am here with kyle and we are going to be talking about his true crime story and all right check out the video i can't believe i'm here i've seen you on tv seen you on the commercials what am i doing here how did i get here man i mean you drove your motorcycle across how many states
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charismatic kid you know alpha he you know when you're around jake you felt like you were you were the show you weren't watching the show you were the shit you know um um like jake when we were in elementary school he would be like the the school fight promoter and he would get started a fight, but then he would arrange a decoy fight on the other side of the schoolyard.
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So the real fight could last longer. Um, and he, they were always talking about sex girls. You know, I didn't even know what that was, but, um, when, when we were like in the fifth grades or he was in the sixth grade and he had a fifth grade girlfriend, he wanted to have sex with this girl. Um, So he devised a plan that got, and he got her friends using peer pressure.
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He got with him and said, man, I know you go, our girls are all virgins, but I want to get, get with this girl and talk like you're not to get her to have sex with them, which she didn't fall for, but Jake was real manipulated. Um, so. First time, first time I ever smoked pot, I was offered drugs was the sixth grade. And this kid down the street, it wasn't Jake.
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He's like, hey, you want to try something? And. I was like, okay, and he went into his dad's bathroom, pulled out a little baggie of this green fluffy substance, and we rolled up a joint, and I mean, it sucked. We couldn't even smoke it, but it seemed like anytime anyone offered me anything, I was like, okay, you know, and there was this feeling at home based on...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
the relationship with my dad that things weren't right, you know? It never felt right at home. It felt more... I felt more like when we snuck out at night, like the night accepted you. You could be who you were. You didn't have to have this mask, you know? And it seemed like that was a pattern with people, you know? The people that were... A little dark, I guess you would say. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Dumbest Counterfeiting Scheme in U.S. History
I would feel more comfortable around. I mean, I think that's common when people look back at their life. But the first time I ever smoked pot for real. I met with Jake. Jake was a year younger than me. So, we had this house in our neighborhood. It was called the Round House. It was kind of an anomaly. It had a Spanish tile and it was a round house like Adobe and all other houses weren't like that.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Flipping the Playoff Switch, Fixing the CFP, Why We Love Snow Games & Hobby Horsing Around | Ep 121
Just Jake, would you try this? From experience, my sister did this, and it's the dumbest fucking thing ever. She used to run around our backyard jumping over horse things. Julia, I love you. Sorry for blowing your spot up on a national podcast. Have you ever told your sister this? Yeah, all the time.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Flipping the Playoff Switch, Fixing the CFP, Why We Love Snow Games & Hobby Horsing Around | Ep 121
No, she didn't compete in these. She just had them in our backyard, and we'd just run over the jumps.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Flipping the Playoff Switch, Fixing the CFP, Why We Love Snow Games & Hobby Horsing Around | Ep 121
Is this Japan?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
129 - Poisonous Fog, History of Eugenics, & The Russian Death Mountain
Hey Tom DeLong, come along with our Long Gong.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
129 - Poisonous Fog, History of Eugenics, & The Russian Death Mountain
Nagini. Dinner.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
129 - Poisonous Fog, History of Eugenics, & The Russian Death Mountain
Rubik's Cube.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
129 - Poisonous Fog, History of Eugenics, & The Russian Death Mountain
Drei, zwei, eins. Hotdog-Buns.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
129 - Poisonous Fog, History of Eugenics, & The Russian Death Mountain
Golly, man.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
129 - Poisonous Fog, History of Eugenics, & The Russian Death Mountain
Eugenics? Would you call me? Eugenics. Eugenics are bad. Playing clashes are real. Aliens are here. How's it make you feel? I don't know, but what I do know is that I miss Cory already. I want him near me, talking in the mic, talking about conspiracy. Like going to Russia, Death Mountain, and finding what's going on there. Is there a giant in ancient history? Or is it just Mr. Corey?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
129 - Poisonous Fog, History of Eugenics, & The Russian Death Mountain
No, no, but I miss him already. I'm gonna miss him badly. I'm gonna miss Corey all day, all day and every night.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Chips and queso Chips and queso Chips and queso He said he'd fight He'd throw all his strength But Jake Paul went all the extra length
Pardon My Take
Dianna Russini On Coach Firings/Hirings, Brandon Walker On CFB, Who Is Under The Most Pressure Wild Card Weekend + Guys On Chicks
Yeah, let's do that.
Pardon My Take
Dianna Russini On Coach Firings/Hirings, Brandon Walker On CFB, Who Is Under The Most Pressure Wild Card Weekend + Guys On Chicks
$216.
Pardon My Take
Dianna Russini On Coach Firings/Hirings, Brandon Walker On CFB, Who Is Under The Most Pressure Wild Card Weekend + Guys On Chicks
Ah.
Pardon My Take
Dianna Russini On Coach Firings/Hirings, Brandon Walker On CFB, Who Is Under The Most Pressure Wild Card Weekend + Guys On Chicks
Right.
Pardon My Take
Dianna Russini On Coach Firings/Hirings, Brandon Walker On CFB, Who Is Under The Most Pressure Wild Card Weekend + Guys On Chicks
Okay.
Pardon My Take
Dianna Russini On Coach Firings/Hirings, Brandon Walker On CFB, Who Is Under The Most Pressure Wild Card Weekend + Guys On Chicks
I rest my case.
Pardon My Take
Dianna Russini On Coach Firings/Hirings, Brandon Walker On CFB, Who Is Under The Most Pressure Wild Card Weekend + Guys On Chicks
What a matchup. Okay.
Pardon My Take
Dianna Russini On Coach Firings/Hirings, Brandon Walker On CFB, Who Is Under The Most Pressure Wild Card Weekend + Guys On Chicks
Right.
Pardon My Take
Dianna Russini On Coach Firings/Hirings, Brandon Walker On CFB, Who Is Under The Most Pressure Wild Card Weekend + Guys On Chicks
33.
Pardon My Take
CFB With Kirk Herbstreit, Actor Paul Walter Hauser, The Bears Are A Dumpster Fire, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Listener FAQ’s
Blitz. Blitz.
Pardon My Take
CFB With Kirk Herbstreit, Actor Paul Walter Hauser, The Bears Are A Dumpster Fire, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Listener FAQ’s
Blitz.
Pardon My Take
CFB With Kirk Herbstreit, Actor Paul Walter Hauser, The Bears Are A Dumpster Fire, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Listener FAQ’s
Yeah.
Pardon My Take
CFB With Kirk Herbstreit, Actor Paul Walter Hauser, The Bears Are A Dumpster Fire, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Listener FAQ’s
December 21st. Also...
Pardon My Take
CFB With Kirk Herbstreit, Actor Paul Walter Hauser, The Bears Are A Dumpster Fire, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Listener FAQ’s
Okay.
Pardon My Take
CFB With Kirk Herbstreit, Actor Paul Walter Hauser, The Bears Are A Dumpster Fire, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Listener FAQ’s
Thank you.
Pardon My Take
CFB With Kirk Herbstreit, Actor Paul Walter Hauser, The Bears Are A Dumpster Fire, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Listener FAQ’s
Yeah.
Pardon My Take
CFB With Kirk Herbstreit, Actor Paul Walter Hauser, The Bears Are A Dumpster Fire, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Listener FAQ’s
Hey, Maddox, why don't you get a couple of meatballs? Put some meatballs in your sake. Warm up your toesies with some meatballs and some sauce.
Pardon My Take
CFB With Kirk Herbstreit, Actor Paul Walter Hauser, The Bears Are A Dumpster Fire, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Listener FAQ’s
Like nine times.
Pardon My Take
CFB With Kirk Herbstreit, Actor Paul Walter Hauser, The Bears Are A Dumpster Fire, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Listener FAQ’s
Okay.
Pardon My Take
CFB With Kirk Herbstreit, Actor Paul Walter Hauser, The Bears Are A Dumpster Fire, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Listener FAQ’s
Yeah.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 18, Playoffs Are Set, Lions Get The 1 Seed, Bengals Bounced + Who's Back Of The Week
Yes.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 18, Playoffs Are Set, Lions Get The 1 Seed, Bengals Bounced + Who's Back Of The Week
Yes.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 18, Playoffs Are Set, Lions Get The 1 Seed, Bengals Bounced + Who's Back Of The Week
Mm-hmm.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 18, Playoffs Are Set, Lions Get The 1 Seed, Bengals Bounced + Who's Back Of The Week
Forgot about that.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 18, Playoffs Are Set, Lions Get The 1 Seed, Bengals Bounced + Who's Back Of The Week
I didn't know you had that in you.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 18, Playoffs Are Set, Lions Get The 1 Seed, Bengals Bounced + Who's Back Of The Week
Yeah.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 18, Playoffs Are Set, Lions Get The 1 Seed, Bengals Bounced + Who's Back Of The Week
It's good.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 18, Playoffs Are Set, Lions Get The 1 Seed, Bengals Bounced + Who's Back Of The Week
That's a great haircut.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
In Florida, where Aaron Rodgers committed several HIPAA violations against the Vaxenville Jaguars, throwing for three touchdowns. Devontae Diggs Adams at the half said, Give me the ball or I will dust your ass, biatch. Brian Rob Thompson said, Baby, baby, it's 1 p.m. I must be lonely. In the end zone with the Jaguars' only touchdowns.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Are you back? Unfortunately not. It was almost every... Well, I'm backing on Rodgers. Yeah, that's what I'm asking. I'm backing on Rodgers.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Rodgers. Back.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
You have a quarterback.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Yeah, but your team could be complete as a whole going into next year. Right. Would be being back in my head. Okay. We don't have a coach. Unfortunately, our defense is bad. Yeah. Very bad. Sauce Garner was also... Bad. Got the game-winning pick. Got the game-winning pick. But he was very bad today as well. Okay, but are you back? I'm back.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
I'm back in on Rodgers.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Yep, ripped it completely off. His arms are also gone.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
His arms? Everything. Just the head. I think the arms got thrown out. Okay. Did you throw them out? Yeah. Okay. So are you back in on Aaron Rodgers with Devontae Adams? I'm back in on Aaron Rodgers if that means we get to keep Devontae Adams. Okay.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
The offense was clicking, uh, Garrett Wilson is still a stud. Alan Lazard still can't catch. So there would be another touchdown added on to that. There was a dot in there. It was beautiful.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
He called his sound rhetoric a bitch.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
The end zone was calling for Trevor Etienne to come home with the help from the Wizard of Ass, Doug Peterson, but fell short. Jets 32, Jaguars 25.
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NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Yeah. The Rossini. I'm marking down which one she's right about and which one she's wrong about. Got it.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
That they were benching Aaron Rodgers.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
After the bye, they're going to bench him.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
But also, it feels weird that you're talking to yourself. You're picking. I'm telling Max. Max is in charge of looking stuff up.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
I think so because this game told you a lot. Did it? The defense let up so many points against a Mac Jones-led team. But he's cocky. Couldn't score a touchdown until the fourth quarter against the Titans last week. Right. So I think you just – because if you draft a quarterback top 10, you're still neglecting so many parts of the team that you have so many holes.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Yeah, and all the quarterbacks are going back to their team in college. Yeah, true. It's like day by day. Somebody just keeps going back. Yeah. All right, so you want to fix the defense first? I think fix defense. Hire a coach. Hire a coach. Hire a coach.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Hire a GM.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
There was a rumor he was making a lot of the decisions. Okay. Yeah. Promote your son.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And coach.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Aaron Rodgers bridge. Bridge. Okay. To Jameis.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Okay. Co-bridges.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Give it another go next year. Yep. then quarterback the next year.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Oh, yeah, we're definitely competing next year.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Uh... Someone to help you compete and win the Super Bowl. Okay, got it.
Pardon My Take
NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Statement Win, Eagles Dominate The Steelers, The Broncos Incredible Turnaround And More
Did I get it?
Pardon My Take
Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week
Week was good. Pug. Too much driving around. I'm ready to chill out.
Pardon My Take
Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week
You've been mobile. Very mobile.
Pardon My Take
Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week
Yes.
Pardon My Take
Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week
Up and down New Jersey. Oh. Garden State Parkway. You see any drones?
Pardon My Take
Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week
Saw a couple drones, yes.
Pardon My Take
Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week
They kind of look like they're lit up green and red. They kind of look like little airplanes. So drones?
Pardon My Take
Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week
It's the good aliens.
Pardon My Take
Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week
It's good aliens.
Pardon My Take
Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week
Oh, yeah.
Pardon My Take
Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week
Oh, wow. I didn't know it was that much.
Pardon My Take
Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week
So, Pug, what are you going to bet? I don't know. It's a lot of pressure. I'll have to think about it.
Pardon My Take
Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week
Pug.
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Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week
17.
The Dr. John Delony Show
I Can’t Move Past My Wife’s Affair
Well, I have been having some trouble emotionally and mentally just dealing. with the news of hearing that my girlfriend was assaulted sexually a few years ago. Jeez, man.
The Dr. John Delony Show
I Can’t Move Past My Wife’s Affair
And she's the most amazing girl that I've ever... Had the pleasure of meeting.
The Dr. John Delony Show
I Can’t Move Past My Wife’s Affair
In the moment, I was kind of more shocked. She has told me before that she had been sexually assaulted, never really went into detail about And I obviously wasn't going to pry her for details if she didn't want to tell me. And then so she ended up telling me. I was just kind of in shock.
The Dr. John Delony Show
I Can’t Move Past My Wife’s Affair
Just kind of listened and tried to understand the situation and where she was coming from and how it made her feel. And then we kind of just resumed our night, our movie night, and kind of relaxed. And then once she took off, just kind of went downhill.
The Dr. John Delony Show
I Can’t Move Past My Wife’s Affair
I just... I don't really know how to like move past it. Um, I know it's always going to be, I'm sure it's something that's going to be in that sticks with her for the rest of her life.
The Dr. John Delony Show
I Can’t Move Past My Wife’s Affair
Yeah, I'm not at that point whatsoever. Um, like I want to be, I'll, I'd work through anything with her and I know it's nothing that she can't change. It was out of her control at the time. And, I just want to support her. And I know it's been years ago. And when I've talked to her about it and kind of how I was feeling a little bit and she was just like, hey, I'm fine.
The Dr. John Delony Show
I Can’t Move Past My Wife’s Affair
Like it was three years ago. I'm OK. I'm happy with you and everything like that. So I know that. she's gone through, she's gotten help and kind of worked through it, but it almost feels it's like new it's news to me. So it's almost like it just happened in some way. And, uh, I don't know.
The Dr. John Delony Show
I Can’t Move Past My Wife’s Affair
And I also have, I'm kind of struggling, um, since hearing that she was with some friends at the time when it happened, uh, they didn't, they kind of just let her go. And, um, I, uh, kind of have that resentment towards her friends. Like I don't trust them. Um, I don't really want her.
The Dr. John Delony Show
I Can’t Move Past My Wife’s Affair
I feel like if she goes, I'm totally okay with like, she wants to go out for a girl's night and everything like that. But I don't trust that her friends will be looking out for her and protecting her. And I don't know how to kind of feel like I should tell her that, but I don't know.
The Dr. John Delony Show
I Can’t Move Past My Wife’s Affair
I just want everything... I just want to do everything for her. I'd want to protect her, take care of her, do everything. And just knowing that it's, it's stupid to think, but like a part of me is like, and three years ago, like, what if I was there? Like, that's not stupid.
The Dr. John Delony Show
I Can’t Move Past My Wife’s Affair
I don't know. Like, cause we didn't even know each other existed.
The Dr. John Delony Show
I Can’t Move Past My Wife’s Affair
I plan on doing that. I just haven't been. Just when I get in my own head, I don't. I don't go to... I don't want to tell any of my friends. I feel like it's way too personal of a thing to... Yeah, it's her story to tell. It's her story to tell.
The Dr. John Delony Show
I Can’t Move Past My Wife’s Affair
And I don't want to talk to her as well because I don't want to bring it up and... Because I know, however I'm feeling, it was probably tenfold for her after that happened and I don't want to bring that up and put her in that spot again.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Mistress Got Pregnant After I Had Our Baby
All right, so this is from Jake in Denver.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Mistress Got Pregnant After I Had Our Baby
Yeah, it's like I drop the grenade and then I just sit back and watch you try to get out of it. It's fun.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Mistress Got Pregnant After I Had Our Baby
All right, he writes, I'd like to preface this by saying I'm two weeks sober from alcohol after an eight-year addiction. My wife agreed to stop drinking with me even though she does not have a problem. Yesterday was her birthday, so we went out to dinner and I told her that she could drink and that I would be fine without it.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Mistress Got Pregnant After I Had Our Baby
We stopped by a liquor store and she came out with a pint of vodka, much to my surprise. Dinner was great, but once we got home, she drank the entire thing and was slurring, plus she fell over twice. We've been having issues in the bedroom, so we had plans to change that after dinner. After all of this unfolded, I wasn't in the mood anymore."
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Mistress Got Pregnant After I Had Our Baby
And I feel resentment towards her for getting that drunk. Am I the problem?
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Mistress Got Pregnant After I Had Our Baby
Oh, I 100% agree. Yeah. I do need some more Am I the Problems? So please send those to John.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Mistress Got Pregnant After I Had Our Baby
JohnDeloney.com slash ask.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Mistress Got Pregnant After I Had Our Baby
Yeah, put it right at the top of the question. There's not a place for a subject, so put it right at the top of the question. Awesome. Send them in.
The Glenn Beck Program
Best of the Program | Guest: Carol Roth | 3/4/25
Greetings from Iowa, Glenn. Two things I'd like to see Mr. President say tonight. As far as Doge uncovering this fraud and misuse of funds, I would love for him to say that they're going to prosecute to the fullest extent possible anybody who is caught funneling money. And I'm talking like a la Elliot Ness, where we use RICO or some obscure laws and just punish them.
The Glenn Beck Program
Best of the Program | Guest: Carol Roth | 3/4/25
Because this is the taxpayers' money and we have to discourage this terrible behavior of the non-profits and what have you. That's number one. I would like to hear him say that he's going to lift the Social Security cap. Right now it's like at $168,000 or whatever. Once you earn more money than that year, they don't withhold Social Security from your check.
The Glenn Beck Program
Best of the Program | Guest: Carol Roth | 3/4/25
I don't know why that limit was put in there. Maybe you have a reason for that.
The Glenn Beck Program
Best of the Program | Guest: Carol Roth | 3/4/25
I would love to hear him say, we're repealing the payroll tax. Ja, okay.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
Hi, thanks for taking my call. I'll get right to the point. I live in an expensive city, and my question is regarding buying a home. Am I better off liquidating my brokerage accounts to put down a down payment? Or should I aim for the, you know, I know Mr. Ramsey talks about, you know, 15-year mortgage, 25% of my income, which would be a very, very, not a very good place where I live. Okay.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
So the question is, you know, do I save up and hope that I can save up to buy a home cash? Do I liquidate these brokerage accounts that I've saved up over my years? I'm almost 50 years old, by the way.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
Yeah. So, I mean, I'm in a good financial situation. The houses I'm looking at are probably in the 1 to 1.5 billion range. And the reason why I can't, I would love to move out rural, but, you know, I have a special needs child. All the resources and the schools are in the city. It's just not realistic to have to drive, you know, 45 minutes or to have my kid wake up early. Sure.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
And we can't make a lot of business, you know, appointments that are in business hours. So, I'm kind of stuck in this range I'm renting right now. So yeah, that's the kind of range I'm at, the one to 1.5 million.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
No, this is just lifetime. It was just for savings and to add on to retirement.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
Yes. I sold my old home to move to the city. We recently moved here. So that's why I'm asking this question now at my age.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
I took that money, about $250,000. I put that in a high yield savings, you know, four point something percent, you know.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
No, that's it. That's it. So, yeah.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
Well, I feel much better. It's just, you know, people are like, why would you give up all that brokerage when you can just do a 30, you know, I know 30-year mortgage, pay less, you know, Take advantage of compound in the market, blah, blah, blah.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
Yeah, I guess it's just a little scary to lose my non-retirement account because I kind of treat that as untouchable, right? I got you. And that was the other question. Do I also stop contributing to my 401k?
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
liquidate everything and reduce that mortgage.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
A lot of it's fear. A lot of it's fear because I don't know how long I'm going to be working and what my daughter's going to need when she's older. How old's your daughter? She's nine. Okay.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
um and i'm older i'm an older parent obviously um but uh but it sounds like you guys are on board with if i decided to just put it all yes in uh that is not an unreasonable or insane decision to make if i were you i would do that and i'd keep a good emergency fund maybe a little bit more because you do have a special needs situation right yes i would yeah it wouldn't be all 750k that i have in cash and brokerage it would be
The Ramsey Show
You Can Build Wealth No Matter Where You Are in Life
you know, 650 or something like that.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Awesome. Well, thank you all so much for having me. Quick question. I am just curious. My financial advisor is recommending that I open a whole life plus 100 life insurance policy. Of course. And so I would just love y'all's wisdom and input on that.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Yeah, so I guess the situation is they are recommending to open this to supplement income if the market is down.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Mutual, one of their sister companies.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Hi there. Yeah, so I'm fresh out of high school. I don't have any debt. I've never taken out any loans. And I'm curious that when I start to go look for a house 10 years down the line or whenever, how will I be able to get a mortgage without having any credit?
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
So, I've heard different things, and it doesn't really make sense to me. Someone brought up a manual underwrite, and I'm not really sure what that is. I don't really understand what they're talking about.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Gotcha. All right. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want to Build Wealth, Stop Acting Like Everyone Else
Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my call today. I appreciate it. You bet. What's up? All right, so me and my wife, we have a question about paying off our debt. So currently, my wife and I were in our upper 20s and we're facing quite amount of student loan debt. It's about $150,000. Now, we don't have any other debts and we've paid off a good amount so far. We've paid off about $30,000 in total.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want to Build Wealth, Stop Acting Like Everyone Else
Nice. But we recently came across an amount of money in our savings. We have $30,000 saved up. And what we really would like some guidance on is how much of that to apply to our loan. You know, we're in the stage of life where we kind of want to think about a family, possibly a home, some car issues coming up.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want to Build Wealth, Stop Acting Like Everyone Else
But we know that we have a good amount we want to apply to this debt to get it taken care of. So I'm going to get you guys guidance on what you think about putting that towards the debt.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want to Build Wealth, Stop Acting Like Everyone Else
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I think these, these Christmas movies are like kind of summer stock where you just do it all in two weeks. It's like, just get all these people, you give them $5. They all show it. Cause they're not doing any other damn thing, you know? Yeah. And then they just all kind of do it. So, you know, it's like haphazard, but.
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That was the issue that you guys are seeing physically. I think they were trying to young him up because he looked like when they try and put Al Pacino in a younger role and they use CGI to make him younger. I know they didn't spend the money because I just saw the snow blowing. Because he's 39. The wig is a little weird. And then they look like they're trying to put makeup on him to age him down.
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And I think maybe that's why he looks weird. Because I mean, I think overall he's super cute. And also he's doing that like goofy, like, oh my God, I'm just so humble. You know, and maybe that's... If you look at pictures of Dustin Milligan, he's like hot.
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hairy boyish you know it's like a boyish but like a big hairy bear kind of thing like you know that when he eats french fries he'll even get like little things of salt stuck in his beard and you'll be like should I tell him or is it cute this doesn't sound like real life at all Ronnie this just felt like a look into your head I think we just we all know it should have been Aaron O'Connell it should have been I don't I really liked his performance I don't think he was physically right yeah
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I wasn't saying anything about Aaron O'Connell. Aaron O'Connell is a good gorge.
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Oh, with the dead wife. Why does everybody have a fucking dead wife in these? Like, why is the spouse always dead? You know why? Because it's really easy.
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But yeah, he's really cute. I don't remember him. But in small picture, he looks like Eddie Cibrian. I mean, this guy.
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Have you gone to DuckDuckGo and put an Aaron O'Connell dick pic? I'm going to see if there is one. There's one in his underwear. Oh, my God. He's so cute.
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This has derailed us. Well, there's also a lot of porn, so I'm going to turn that off. I think delivery guys are on their way up here. Okay, so anyway, Aaron O'Connell, huh? Love his movies.
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I was going to suggest that one, but I didn't want to be mean to Danny Pellegrino.
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He's the Mary Kay place. Okay. So Jack sees the thrift store from earlier and he's like, close. And he leans up against the wussiest store window I've ever seen. You know, are those people in that store wondering why they're always cold? Because you got drafts and your glasses from 97 years ago. He just falls right through it.
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She got horned up tonight. Ethel loved it. And also Mortimer makes a comment where he says, if this dog doesn't go, I'm going to change it in for a goldfish. Yeah.
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I think it was more like total penis panic because I don't even know if it was gay. No one in this town works out. Everyone who sees this body, like if we saw a naked guy that looked like that in the street, we'd be like, ah, you're a six. But in a little town like this, no one has literally seen a body like this, and they're all shocked and falling over.
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You see her mouth starts watering. But Ethel doesn't even run over there. Her vagina does. Her vagina starts running and drags Ethel's carcass behind her.
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What? He's kind of like male Dora the Explorer, if you really keep looking at him, because he's just so cute. I looked at him the other day, and I was like, he's so cute. Who does he look like? He looks like a cross between Dora the Explorer and a young... He's on Entertainment Tonight. Mario Lopez. Oh, wow. Am I thinking of the right person? Yeah.
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Yeah. This isn't who I was thinking of.
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Yeah. Well, I've just given a Dora the Explorer fetish away, I guess. So it's worth it for that.
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He's found a close. And the reason he's named Jack is because the name on the overalls is Jack, which I don't know. He needs that. He knows what everything is. Why can't he just say, my name's Jack, and I come to life every once in a while when people give me a scarf? Why is it like the first-time fairy tale for Jack, and no one ever understands where he came from, who made him? Who's Jack?
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What makes Jack tick? Does Jack do this all the time?
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It's so 2024, isn't it? It's like, it's not the scarf or the love that brought him to the life. It's the attention from a phone camera.
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If it's three months ago, she's a whore. Because I can't believe she's treating her dead husband like that.
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If it's like five months, I totally get it. Go, girl.
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It would have been better if he realized she didn't exist. He's the fun one.
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I honestly had that conversation with myself because I was like, who's that? When she came on the screen, she immediately made the movie five million times better. And I'm like, she's so familiar. Who is that? And I couldn't figure it out. I had to look up the cast. And I was like, Lauren Hawley? Wow. What a blast from the past. And what a just all-around great picket fence. She's fantastic.
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Oh, I didn't watch that one. Which one? I'm not sure. There's like four of them, aren't there?
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Yeah, I love Lauren Hawley. She's a badass. Well, she's not even here yet, okay, you guys? Yeah, she's not here. It's true.
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Yeah, so later on right now, she meets him right now. Lacey shows up, and Jack is talking to the other snowmen who didn't get crushed and robbed. And she's like, he's talking to them. He's like, guys, look, I can talk, and I even have arms. I can lean her.
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You guys, look. I'm touching myself. You could do it too, guys. All you need to do is find a really sad widow with a scarf that she didn't want.
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I want to see that movie. But there was a short that just came out. It was one of those horror anthology things. And it was just the same plot as that Demi Moore movie. Oh, wow. I mean, I don't know that I need to see it. And also, I don't want to be, you know, talked. I don't want any anti-aging remedy medication or propaganda. Unless it's real. Just let me touch my fucking face, okay?
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I'm putting it in there. Like, leave me alone, okay? Why don't you make a movie about Bruce Willis getting plugs and that killing him, okay? Make it fair, you dicks.
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No, you can't do that anymore. You just have to be like, do you want a Starburst?
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Oh, it is very much a thing. We're looking for the next hot Christmas person for the Hallmark channel? Oh, my God.
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Wow, to be a casting couch director at that set. That's got to be.
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One person had a stroke and then the other person has to find a way to get through to them and then they come back to life for five minutes and then they bang.
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I mean, she's just not a normal person. If somebody said I was made of snow, I'd be like, are you sharing it? Or like, am I going to have to go through your pocket? Are you offering? Like, why would you bring that up?
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Exactly. He's like, I've never eaten, but I'm rich. God bless you.
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Well, because he's taking it like service. You do service. You're so charitable. No, you have to tip me. This is not a charity.
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That's true. You guys, he should have had snow talent and he had none. He showed nothing except being like, listen, by the way, we've all saw this movie before.
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Fivish we bring up quite often on the show, but not Tom Skerritt. I'm sorry. You know, Tom Skerritt really, talk about privilege. I mean, that guy just coasted through. What did he ever do? Except just look like he belonged in overalls. And everything he ever did, that's an overall person right there. He seemed nice enough. But you know what? It was really about Kathy Baker, Ivish, and Maureen.
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That would be just weird. Oh my god, that guy's zombieing himself outside.
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But you guys, this is how people get away with it. They're hot. Because if this was like a homeless man, nobody would be acting this way. And trust me, I live close enough to the 7-Eleven to know the difference. My friend, no one gives this poor man anything. He acted like I was a second coming when I gave him some Starbursts, okay? I was like, this poor guy gets nothing.
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And sorry it wasn't money. I just didn't have any. He didn't have a Venmo. That is so true. But then my friends, Michael and Mike, they have a person who's currently without a home or whatever I'm supposed to say now. He is living outside their house. And he lives in his car. And they're like, that is the hottest guy ever. Oh, my God. Yeah. He's so hot. I'm like, this guy just coasts.
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No one yells at him for parking there. No one's mean to him. I bet he has a Venmo because he's hot. And he's getting away with more.
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Because you're hot. You know, it's hot privilege. And I'm sorry if the 7-Eleven guy hears this and is offended. It's not that you're not hot. I just mean, you know.
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Did he just hate working with Madeline Stowe so much that he went to Christmas movies?
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And, but you know what, can I just say as someone who's about to hit 50 at the end of this year, um, it's so hard because as you get older, you really do start craving candy. That's wrapped. Um, Like for whatever reason, it came out of, well, I've been having Werther's for a while because they have sugar-free Werther's that really, and I eat them like by the bag full.
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I want her to be in one of these where she's very... If she played the role of Matthew... When I blinked open and closed like it did in Revenge.
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I really eat a ton of Werther's. That was the first, that was my like entry level, you know, gateway drug. Then for some reason, one day I was like, I want a Starburst. And I got Starburst. I love Starburst. I'll eat two packages of that a day. I just love it. And now I love Reason, chocolate Reason. Those are also wrapped.
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Everything I'm into now is wrapped candy. I don't know how it happened, but it's like evolution. You're moving into the Eurotrash version with Reason, too. Oh, it's so good. Here's the thing.
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You can't do that with a Starburst. Those are waxy and they're stuck to the candy bin. You can't get them open slowly.
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That might be better for me, actually. I'm going to do that around. It's putting me out of my misery. I can't eat them because of my braces.
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I lived in Staten Island for a year. I miss it. What a place. Okay, so he's like, well, should we call the cops? And she's like, no, he overreacts. So they're like, what if he's dangerous? And then a server is like, your friend's eating the jellies. Why are we going to are we going to criminalize eating fucking jelly out of the packet to just put childhood me into prison?
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Yes. I only went to church to drink the little creamers in the reception area. Oh, my God. After church reception area and eat the jellies out of the thing. So sue me. Take me to prison.
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No, she had Botox eye in Revenge. So one of her eyes was like...
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Yeah, he was definitely the stealer of the film.
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Well, he's also the only real character in it. Yes, he's the only one! The lead character, one of them's just like, hi, you're a snowman? Wow, do you want to come have some pie? And then the snowman's like, I'm goofy. I'm a snowman without clothes. Like, no one really has a character. So it's like finally someone comes in and they're like, here's my thing.
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I just love the film. What am I going to say? Patrick Swayze, RIP, motherfucker.
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So, let's see. They're like, well, what are they talking about?
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Yeah, they're like, hey, Kathy, guess what? We're having a couple's dinner tonight. Can you come? Oh, sorry.
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So then she's like, oh, my God, are you a prank? Are you a pranker? Oh, my God, you built a snowman that looks like you. And is that what this is? I mean, what is this? Are you really a snowman or are you someone so obsessed with yourself? You're building snowmen about yourself. I feel strange. And she's like, but how did you know I took that photo? Were you following me? Is this part of the joke?
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How can we do this? We don't have cameras in this town.
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That was a great performance. My God. Just the best. We've just left off where Kathy just opened her very busy restaurant for the day. There's one other employee. There's no way they're going to keep up with anything. She leaves to go to the thrift store and bring a snack to those people. She's dysregulated. Yeah.
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Yeah, he says that the mayor is trying to impede his running so that he can lose. But this is where they kind of lose, too, because a sheriff has an elected position, and then he's willing to piss off literally every single person in town for no reason.
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And she's like, well, I figured you guys might be so busy with the snow sculpture competition that you wouldn't have time for lunch. What's the thrift store have to do with the snow sculpture? Are just a lot of people in there buying scarves? Not a single customer in there.
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Kathy's like, oh, this is Jack. Just met him this morning. You know what's so weird? I found him talking to sculptures. Lady, you were the one sitting there looking one in the eye and giving one a scarf last night. Who are you shaming? Yeah.
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You Googled it, eh? Yeah. So she's like, oh, my God, you're a doctor, Dottie. What do you actually think? And she's like, look, everything's about Christmas. Santa, elves, flying reindeer. So the scientist in me knows they shouldn't exist. But wouldn't it be better if it did? Wouldn't the world be better if they did exist? You know, it's the first six-pack we've seen in this town.
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When he finds the cancer diagnosis, it was written in Comic Sans. This show is so sad. There's this deep, deep illness that this show has.
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She's like, you know what? If he's a snowman, he's a snowman. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor.
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It also doesn't make sense because scarves keep you warm and he can't be warmer. Come on, guys.
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I was waiting for her husband to be like, wait a minute. We didn't meet in a pub. I wasn't talking about you, bro. I wasn't talking about you, queer.
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And then you walked in. That's so weird. I got this scarf. It reminded me of when I met my husband at a bar and I knew that it came in for, I knew this red scarf came in for a reason. So here you take it. It's got jizz on. Like, what are you giving me? Someone's cum scarf. Why are you giving me this? Don't ever trust a thrift store person who just gives you something for free.
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But you know what? So is passive aggression. So I would hope that the girl came over, Kathy came over and said, you guys aren't busy at all. I brought you turkey sandwiches. Here's your bill. And then tried to charge them. And so she was like, oh, you're charging me for shit I didn't order? Well, here's a scarf that's perfect for you. And here's your bill.
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You walked in with the same thing I ended up with, a turkey. So here's the scarf.
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Kathy's offended as she fucking should be. Because Kathy's like, does this count as my Christmas gift? She just leaves and is like, who can I give this shit to?
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So for some reason, she's like, okay, well, you've been doing your push-ups. And then she stares at him a long time. And then she wraps a scarf around him. Excuse me. That is not only a gift, but that is also someone else's artwork that you're just fucking up before the competition.
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I watched Dune Prophecy recently and I love that show. That's on Max.
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No, Ben. It's a gay old person. It's a gay octogenarian. Sorry.
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You're right. They didn't set that up well. Like, oh, he just forgot the scarf. No, he didn't. Notice the other ones are also short and rotund, and this one is tall and gorgeous. You don't need to come in here and put your own stamp on everything, okay? This was done by someone who went to RISD. This is done.
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Who made that rule? I don't know. Kate just said she heard that. That's funny. She said no more vaping because of the smell. There was a point where everyone in the office vaped. Maybe it was like in the edit bay. What were you going to say?
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Sie sind wie Kinder. Es war wie ein harmloser... Vielleicht nicht harmloser. Sie haben jemanden's Ding gestohlen. Man sollte das nicht tun. Aber...
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Das war's für heute. Ich habe wahrscheinlich gehört, dass ich darüber nachgedacht habe. Lauren hat sich einfach geschlafen. Lauren hat sich gefragt, bevor wir angefangen haben zu filmen, ist etwas mit meinen Augen falsch? Und ich habe gesagt, nein, aber manchmal siehst du ein bisschen schlau aus. Was ich glaube, ist eine normale Sache zu sagen. Wir alle sehen manchmal schlau aus.
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does not warrant like a drone and these guys were on comms being like all right they're on foot and then they could they'd heat maps so they can see where these kids go because they're like bodies are emitting heat okay yeah and they like went out and got the kids at gunpoint firing squad well Ja, wir haben ihn bei einem Firing-Squad geexekutiert, um 8 Uhr. Er hat eine Golfkarte verloren.
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Und Will war so... Ich war so wie ein Arschlöcher. Ja, ja.
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Ich weiß es nicht. Andrew Nelson war im ersten Playdate. Ja, wir hatten unseren Playdate vor einem Jahr. Viele Playmates in diesem... Ich glaube, es gibt ein paar Hundert, was schön ist.
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Ich liebe dich. Also, was haben wir? Wir geben den... Wir sollten dem Gewinner einen von jedem Shirt und Hat geben.
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And a cheese stick. I only said that because I have cheese sticks in my fridge. We both quickly looked over and went back to this.
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I'm a cheese stick connoisseur, you know? Lauren, how was Venice Fest in Mar Vista?
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Nice. Rasselbach! The three of us were getting drinks at Venice Beach Bar and Will kept bringing more tables over to accommodate how many people were there. And after the third one, did you hear what the waitress said? No. Du hattest eine dritte oder vierte. Und sie war so, ja, okay, nimm sie alle. Das ist definitiv nicht passiert. Ich bin mit dieser Frau Freund. Und ich habe sie gefragt.
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Ist ihr Name Michelle? Ich habe sie fast genannt.
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Ich erinnere mich einfach nur auf ihren Namen. Sie muss das gelesen haben.
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Yeah, dude. Should we get triple that? Actually, we kind of have stuff to do. I have a lot of shit to do. Sorry. I'm so hungry. I went to get a Godmother. Godmother is like the greatest sandwich in the world. At base it is. And usually they let me put whatever I want on it.
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My vision is blurry. You always have like crazy ailments happening. You expect us to keep talking. No, don't worry. My vision is just vibrating in my head. My left arm hurts. The left side of my body is numb.
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Ich nehme die Provolone aus und lege amerikanische Käse drauf. Und der Typ war so... Und was hast du dann gemacht? Der Typ war so, okay, du wirst nicht meinen Sandwich-Gespräch hören. Sandwich-Gespräch.
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Ich wollte amerikanische Käse drauf. Ich will Provolone. Und er war so, wir machen keine Änderungen. Ich war so, ja, du machst das. Du machst das immer. Und er war so, nein, es ist viel besser mit Provolon. Und ich war so, ja, aber ich mag es mit Amerikaner. Was machen wir? Und er war so, okay, wir setzen uns auf einen Cheese, der zwischen den beiden ist.
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Und er war so, okay, ich mache das und Provolon. Und ich war so, ich will nicht, ich will nicht Provolon.
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Aber er war so, er war so, ich mache beide. Und ich war so, ich will das nicht, einfach den anderen anziehen. Und dann hat er, als er mir das Sandwich gegeben hat, er hat gesagt, ich habe extra Käse da für dich. Und ich war so, ich wollte es nicht so. Aber dann war es lecker. Er ist ein Pürist. Ja, aber es war so, er hat es immer gesagt, als ob er mir einen Favorit gemacht hätte.
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Er war so, ich habe extra Käse da für dich. Ich will das nicht. Das ist das Gegenteil, was ich wollte. Ich habe ein paar Hot Dogs da drin, Bruder.
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Ich versuche, ein neues Episode zu posten. Ihr seid weiterzumachen. Es ist ein Podcast. Ähm, nein, ich hatte etwas cooles.
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Keine Trial. Marschall-Law. What? It's a hypothetical kid getting killed by a firing squad. It's not a real guy. Dude, see that sorority girl who can't stop getting arrested.
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Wait, I want to hear this story. This sounds insane. Earlier Lauren was like, we gotta be done by noon. I'm going to the beach. I have to be at the beach by noon. High noon. Great.
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Was? Brot? Ja. Oh, wir haben hier wirklich die Bottle und die Barrel geschraubt. Hast du Brot mitgebracht? Du hast eine Reihe von Geschichten. Lauren, keine Sorge, ich habe einen in meinem Hinterkopf. Will, hast du Brot mitgebracht?
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Das ist eine interaktive Geschichte.
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Es war entweder das oder jemand hat seinen gefrorenen Kaffee gespült. Aber es war wie ein riesiger, verrückter Liquid-Dump in der Parkplatte. Es ist definitiv Kaffee. Es war nicht ein verrückter Liquid-Dump. Es war entweder ein Kaffee oder ein verrückter Liquid-Dump in der Whole Foods-Pot. Es war nicht wie Liquid. Es hat sich wie ein Mound gemacht. Wie ein Frappuccino.
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Aber es war nicht gebrochen. Also vielleicht wie... Ein Frappuccino. We got a large Frappuccino.
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No! Wait, what? No, that can't be true.
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Wait, what is... Keep going. You're saying Starbucks is done making drinks?
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Yes, Starbucks is still making Frappuccinos. Great, thanks a lot.
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Yes, yes, Starbucks is still making Frappuccinos. They're cutting a lot of them, it says. I saw Bronnie.
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Ronny hatte ein Stoplight und er war in einem Konvertible, aber er hatte seine Hütte auf, also konnte man nicht sehen, wer es war. Ich denke, du solltest ihn wählen. Warte. Du konntest nicht sehen, wer es war? Die einzige Art, wie ich es gesehen habe, ist, weil er so sah, als ob du ihn neben ihm hättest und er so sah. Er hatte eine tiefe Hütte drauf.
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Ich hätte es nicht sehen können, aber er sah rüber. Wir sind Nachbarn. Und was sagst du? I said, hey Bronny, keep your head up. He's been playing great, actually. He had a good game in a game where they got smacked. But he was the leading scorer.
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Where would I have seen it? Oh, it's been going viral.
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Speaking of USC Athletes, we had a family friend who, I think she ran track or road at USC and she was sitting next to Juju Smith Schuster in a class and apparently one time he leaned over and just told her that he loves thick white girls. She was like, oh cool. It was like at the beginning of class. Is she a thick white girl? Ja, ich meine... War das nur ein Fun-Fact?
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Nein, ich denke, es war mit den Hoffnungen, dass sie wissen würde, dass er jetzt verabschiedet ist. Aber es war wie am Anfang der Klasse. Weil ich rübergelegt habe und similar Dinge zu dir gesagt habe.
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I had a cherry ice one this episode.
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What was it? Last time you told a story, period.
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Schuster? Yeah. He's a wide receiver. He's awesome. Now Google Jeremy Curley.
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Episode 92. I'm gonna go Warren Buffett. Chris Pronger.
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Es ist sein Geburtstag heute. Ja. Er wird einen riesigen Schmerz haben, wenn er 30 wird.
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Bist du Angst, dass du 30 wirst, Lauren?
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You're going to look so sleepy at 30. No, I know a 92. That's going to be freaking... I know exactly who this is.
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We don't know. Obviously she's claiming it wasn't true. Ich fühle mich schlecht für das ganze Video. Ich war da. Es ist nicht passiert. Es ist nicht passiert. Es ging nicht so runter. Aber diese Mädchen wurde verhaftet, weil sie zu schnell war. Wir nehmen ihr Mugshot hier. Und es ging viral, weil sie eine schöne Mädchen ist. Schön. Und dann ging sie auf TMZ. Ich sah sie darüber reden.
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Do you see that guy, Gout Gout, just set the record for like fastest 200 meter? No. What an awful name for a runner. Gout Gout? Yeah. That sounds not, yeah, that's not a good one. You know, Gout's the disease of kings.
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Weil sie den ganzen Tag sitzen. Wenn du Gout hattest, zeigte es sich, dass du... Oh, du hattest Gout? Ja. Ich mag das. Ich mag das sehr. Wir wären in der Vergangenheit Status-Symbols gewesen. Du hättest Palt, Fett und Gout. Ich wäre wie ein Supermodel. Ich meine, ja.
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They'd be all obsessed with my milky white breasts. Milky white, milky white. Roadmap! Alright. We have a great episode for you guys today. We're gonna hear your pitches followed by our pitches. And then it's Willy's turn to do the permitting division of the building department. If he's okay with it, not gonna force him to do it. Oh fuck, I don't have one. Lauren and someone from last week.
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Dann machen wir alle seine Lieblingssegmente. Nein, das soll jetzt unser Job sein. Das ist nicht Lawrence' Job. Aber sie hat es schon gemacht.
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Dann machen wir... This guy rocks, this guy rocks, this guy rocks today. Hey, hey. Jemand hat es geklopft. Ich wusste nicht, dass ich es gemacht habe. Ich glaube, die Themesong, die wir heute am Ende haben, ist von Let's Rock, Let's Rock Today. Ich weiß nicht, was das ist. Von School of Rock. Er spricht mit einem der Kinder und er ist so... Look at me. Let's rock. Let's rock today.
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Someone also made a point that it is the middle of the work day. Well, tell that person to go fuck themselves. Jesus, dude. I don't give a fuck, dude. I'm turning on the playmates. I'm not turning on the playmates. I hate them all now. I hate all of them now. I'm trying to be edgy. Yeah, that sells now.
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Yeah, it's like one of those, like, I want them, like, if I ever see one in the wild, I'll be like, fuck you, Will. Yeah, it's like how, like, Fred Durst and, like, Limp Bizkit, when they come out there, they tell all the fans to go fuck themselves. Yeah, that's kind of my new mind. I'm like the new, the badass, the bad boy of podcasting. Fuck you. I'm sorry, guys. I'm excited.
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uh gotta like bring it everywhere uh yeah feed it feed it like leaving it with your roommates and then they have to like watch it can't jump that high there's like oh your roommates like leave shit everywhere for them to like eat their roommates uh eat their food
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Es ging wie mini viral für einen Sekunden. Und dann letzte Woche wurde sie verhaftet für Läutern, was viel weniger cool ist. Verhaftet für Läutern? Das bedeutet, dass du so eine schlechte Hände bist, dass du verhaftet worden bist.
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No. Cats and chimps. No. But they're bundled. You're hungover and you see like a knock at the door. A chimp comes in and just like wrecks all your... Who the fuck ordered the cat and chimp?
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Ja, es ist wie wenn du einen Taco Bell bestellst und dann schläfst du ins Schlafzimmer. Sie sind gebundelt. Du wachst nach einer Nacht aus und du schläfst. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Okay. Okay, wer hat es bestellt? Wer hat den Schimpf bestellt? Baby Schimpf. Ich mag das. Es scheint wirklich unethisch, aber ich mag es. Ich stimme. Ja. Ich mag es auch. Ich denke einfach, dass die Vögel so verwirrt werden.
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Ja, aber sie sind keine Vögel. Sie würden traurig werden.
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Jumping through a hoop. Shit on command.
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Das bedeutet, dass du so eine schlechte Hände bist, dass du verhaftet worden bist, dass du verhaftet worden bist, dass du verhaftet worden bist, dass du verhaftet worden bist, dass du verhaftet worden bist.
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Ja, Steven T. Nimrod. Entschuldige, das ist so lustig.
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All right, well, Steve says... Steven T. and the Nimrods.
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Oh, das ist lustig. Oh mein Gott, wir waren da. Steven T. Nimrod ist rot-rot. Shoutout Nimrod.
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Wir waren in Vegas und ich wusste, dass mein Pfeil runter war und mein Penis aus meinen Boxern raus war. Aber mein Penis war nicht aus meinen Panten. Es war nur so, als wenn... Es hätte wirklich schlecht sein können. Ich dachte, du hättest das auf den Grund gemacht.
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Well, I'm assuming you didn't mean to select quiet for this ride. Like it was like an uber comfort where I guess our boss had put quiet preferred. And it was funny. And then he tried to talk to us. So I kind of fucked this. Yeah. I got an argument, or not an argument.
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We were talking to an Uber driver one time and I was telling the other passengers, like our friends, like, yeah, dude, I selected quiet because I needed to do some work in like a previous Uber. And the guy was blasting music. And then our current Uber driver was like, well, that quiet preferred just means they're not supposed to talk to you. They're allowed to play music as loud as they want.
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I was like, Quiet doesn't mean I can't talk. Yeah, I just don't want to talk to you. Yeah, I'm not setting my own settings. If I want to make my hooker joke, I expect you to eat it in silence.
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loitering we should loiter the cops come in like we're hanging out in your backyard the cops come in like firing yeah there's like a smoke grenade comes over the thing get out which one was loitering i got sunburned yesterday oh nice how'd that go
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Es ist wie ein Flanch, aber es hat mehr eine Kurve. Richtig.
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Was sagst du? In diesem Szenario, was sagst du?
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Okay, was ist das Schlimmste an Wrinkly Clothes? Wearing them. They're wrinkled. You have to wear them. You have to put them in the dryer to get the wrinkles out. Introducing the steam closet. Okay. Hang up your clothes in whatever condition. Close the door. Steams the fuck out of your closet. Everything is now perfectly wrinkle-less.
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And it doubles as a sauna or a steam room if you want to get your sweat on. I like that. Maybe you just put on the wrinkly clothes and go sit in there. Und es aufdrehen. Ja, ich mag das sehr. Ich glaube, das existiert vielleicht. Ich weiß nicht. Ich kümmere mich um die Milch.
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Was ist das Schlimmste über 2-in-1-Shampoo und Conditioner? Äh, es tut nicht wirklich so, wie es sich vorstellt, weil es ist so, es wäre perfekt, wenn es schampoog und dann geconditioniert wäre, aber es ist wie versuchen, das Gleiche zu tun, also fühlt sich dein Haar immer noch so an, als ob du nur geschampoogt hättest. Ich würde sagen, was, wenn du nur ein Conditioner willst? What?
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Yeah, I took a shower at Will's house and it's just, there's no shelves in his thing, so the shower floor is just covered in Everyman Jack bottles that are like not even on there. Es ist so, als hättest du eine Box von Jack in die Tür geschlossen und alles in die Tür geschlossen. Ich hatte drei Kugeln, ja, die wurden übernommen. Okay.
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Also, er hat mich gefragt, ob er in meinem Haus schlafen kann und dann hat er versucht, mich im Publikum zu drücken. Also, das ist das letzte Mal, dass du meinen Schlafen wieder benutzt hast. Oder mein Haus. Oder... Das ist das letzte Mal, dass du mein Haus benutzt hast. Das ist das letzte Mal, dass du mein Haus benutzt hast.
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Wir können beide dich jetzt sehen. Okay, sprich für dich selbst.
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Two hoses. Yeah, I like that. I got two... What does the machine look like? It's huge. It weighs about a thousand pounds. And it's pure metal.
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It's a very heat-intensive process. Okay. And it looks sort of like a... Oh, nice. I like it.
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No, I love it. I guess I just don't understand how the opening would work. High level. I feel like he hates my idea. No, I love it. Ich glaube, okay, du sagst, wie würdest du es physisch reinpumpen? Oder wie, wie die Öffnung, es wäre wie, es wäre wie die Form eines Flonks und es schiebt es einfach natürlich in zwei, macht das Sinn? Ja. Flonk?
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Ja, ja. Das ist nicht ein Wort. Was? Ein Flonk?
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Ein Flonk? Ein Flonk? It's like an inverted funnel. That is not a word. I mean this in the nicest way possible. Sometimes you... I don't know if it's like playing the clueless girl thing is like a bit. Sometimes you will say things where you'll be like, what? What is that? It's like an everyday thing. A flonk? You don't know what a flonk is?
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Get flunked. Flunked. You got flunked. Stop trying to flunk me.
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I'm flunking with you. Flunking you. Come on, man. Alright. Should we do this guy rocks, this guy rocks, this guy rocks today.
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No, pitch. This guy rocks. Alright, Lauren. Pause this immediately and I mean immediately. I forgot what this is. Oh, okay. Okay. There's a group of guys and they are out on a mountain biking trip. And this guy's really going for it. And I just thought you guys would like it. Lauren, put on the sound so you can see this.
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Will, thoughts? You're wearing makeup? Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Someone finally said it. Every morning you wake up and you hate the way you look, so you cover it in makeup to appease us. Yeah, I'm a catfish.
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Das war mein Gedanke. Warte, pausieren. Da ist nirgendwo für ihn zu gehen. Vielleicht ist er auf der linken Seite angefangen? Oh mein Gott. Er ging sehr, sehr, sehr zu schnell. Das war kinder großartig. Können wir nochmal die vordere Partie sehen? Ich will nur sehen, ob es irgendwo war, um ihn zu gehen. Er panikierte und hat den vorderen Break geschlagen. Das ist das, was passiert ist.
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Ja, ich glaube, er hätte auf der linken Seite gehen können.
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Das war großartig. Es ist merkwürdig, dass nichts passiert ist. Das war großartig. Ich liebe es, wenn diese Jungs, wenn diese Jungs, wir leben in einem Zeitraum, wo wenn etwas so passiert, du meistens ihre Sicht sehen kannst, was verrückt ist. Wenn jemand denkt, dass sie sterben werden, ist es lustig, wenn du sagst, oh nein, oh nein, oh nein.
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Das Einzige, was du rauskommst, ist, dass das nicht passieren kann. Ja. All right.
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Oh, ich habe dir diese Geschichte nicht erzählt? Nein. Das ist eine sehr lustige Geschichte. Erinnerst du dich an Omegle? Ja. Ich und die Jungs waren auf Omegle. Ich und die Jungs waren auf Omegle. Ich und die Jungs waren auf Omegle. Also, ich war auf Omegle. Ich kann mich nicht erinnern, mit wem ich war. Aber ich war auf Omegle und wir dachten, wir haben eine 14-Jährige getroffen. Eine 14-Jährige.
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A lot to unpack that. So, Willie, I'd just like to hear from you. How do you think they have been dating this long without her noticing that he was just faking the one-armed thing? Why is he faking the one-armed thing? I think I don't understand who this type of content is for, and I think that there's a lot of people that make this kind of... I don't think this is satire. No, it's not.
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It's the same thing that Darman... Yeah, like Gold Digger Prank in the Hood. Oh mein Gott. Ich meine, es ist eine alte Geschichte. Shakespeare hat das auch gemacht. Es ist wie die alte, du hattest einen Arm, du hattest einen Arm, du hattest einen Arm.
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During a league tournament in 1937, legendary goalkeeper Sam Bartram played for nearly 10 minutes alone on the field, not realizing that the game had been abandoned due to severe fog. We'll put a picture of it right here. Oh, that's terrible. Like a soccer goalie? Yeah, he assumed the game was still happening, so he was just in his stance for like 10 minutes waiting for the team to come back.
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Ich verspreche es Gott. Ja, es ist wie etwas, wie du freies Lesen in der vierten Klasse machst. Ja, schau, mächtig genug, um Kicks zu erzielen, die Predatoren wie Löwen töten. Ein Kind in deiner Klasse lehnt sich über und sagt, du weißt, dass Ostrichs einen Löwen in einem Kick töten können? Ja. Google Ostrich Kicks. Kannst du ein Video davon machen? Google Ostrich Kicking. Ostrich Kick 4K.
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Perfect. Just google ostrich kicking man. No, I don't want kicking man. But we can't find a line. Click this first one. Skip to the peak. Oh my god. You can skip.
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Jesus. Yeah, can you imagine one of those things fucking coming after you? Some of these camera angles, I'm like.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Wir waren auch 14. Oder 13. Ich glaube, wir lachen und sagten, wir waren 14. and gave the girl our number, my number. Me and my buddy shared a phone. We gave her my number and then he sent a photo of himself and he was like 60 and he said, I'm gonna come find you in Maine. Obviously he just knew I was in Maine because of my...
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They can also run like 80 miles an hour. Also, why is he like seeking out the hyena? Just leave it alone. They're kind of bad.
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Yeah. Shocking moment. Ostrich attacks man. Oh my god. Das ist der Ostrich, der das Geräusch macht. Er fängt an zu weinen. Verdammt. Der Typ ist verletzt.
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Er ist nur ein bisschen überwältigt.
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Es ist der gleiche Autor, der normale Menschen machte.
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Es fühlt sich an, als ob sie es in die Bücher mailt. Sollen wir April Fool's Pranks machen, die nicht existieren? Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Oh, ist es regional? Ja, ich habe es noch nie gehört. Flicking me off.
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Flicking off klingt wie etwas, was du in der Privatsphäre deines eigenen Hauses tust. Ich habe noch nie etwas wie das gehört. Ich stimme mit diesem Mann.
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Playdate. Episode 92. Lorenz already up and about. Live camera adjustments. Live camera op. We should get a floating camera for this. Wird das existieren?
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But I'm not crazy, that sounds sexual, right? Also your phone case, like every week there's like a new piece missing.
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So maybe it's like a southern thing? Wait, he was raised in Virginia by a New Yorker, a Californian and a North Dakotan? No, it's and a Californian slash North Dakotan. How the hell was that? I don't know. Yeah, I don't want to hear about you guys flicking off. Alright, I'm going to flick off. Alright, should we do April Fool's pranks that don't exist? Yeah.
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These are April Fool's pranks that don't exist. Cottage cheese milk swap. You swap their milk with cottage cheese. When they go to pour it in their coffee, they think it went really bad.
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Das ist eine gute Frage. Du überzeugst deinen Freund, auf TikTok oder Reels zu posten, und dann zahlst du ein paar, um das Video zu promoten und ein paar Follower zu kaufen. Also wachen sie am 1. April auf mit einem Millionen Instagram-Followern und ihr Video ist viral gegangen und dann denken sie, dass sie ihren Job quittet. Something you can actually do.
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area code but i thought he had like my exact coordinates and i went and slept in my dad's bedroom because i was so scared he was gonna come to the house did you tell your dad why yeah and he was just like what were you doing i don't know man i don't think i've ever been catfished i kind of want to
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I want to do that though for Scott. He'd just be like, what?
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Es ist also so, dass niemand wirklich hört, aber sie schlagen diese Unternehmen, weil sie denken, dass die Leute es tun. Das ist was Almost Friday macht. Das ist, warum sie mehr Hörer haben als wir. Ich habe, oh, welchen haben wir? Oh, der Mail-Prank. Du gehst durch all ihre Mail und du gibst alle Karten raus. Also vergessen sie es und dann sind sie auf Payment-Default. Ich liebe es.
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Äh, die Großspurte. Du legst kleine Stoppern vor all ihren Schuhen, und dann hemmst du, du hemmst temporär all ihre Kleidung um zwei Inch, sodass sie aufwachen und denken, sie haben eine große Großspurte am Abend, weil ihre Kleidung nicht mehr passt. Ich mag das sehr. Äh, die Trashfire.
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Du legst ein kleines Pilotlicht in ihre Trashkanne, sodass sie, wenn sie ein Stück Papier rausnehmen, sofort und sie denken, ihr Trash ist auf Feuer. Ja, es ist. Dein Trash ist auf Feuer. Ja, es ist auf Feuer. Prank. Das Spell B. Das braucht viel Präparation. Du änderst das Spell von ein paar Sachen, die sie jeden Tag sehen, damit sie denken, dass sie verrückt sind.
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McDonalds ist jetzt wie McDonalds. You gonna go to McDonalds and change the sign? Yeah, Nike has like a Y at the end. I like that. Oh, that'd be fun. The fruit drill. You take a... We're running fruit drills. No, you get a drill and you drill a hole into all their fruit so they think worms are eating all their fruit.
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It's not supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be badass. Yeah, exactly. Das Déjà-vu. Okay. Du gibst allen Freunden eine Linie, um sie mehrere Male am Tag zu sagen. Und dann versuchst du, dass sie es nicht sagen. Also denken sie, dass sie immer Déjà-vu haben. Ich mag das. Der Ruf-Bang. Du steigst auf ihren Ruf und in jedem Raum, in den sie gehen, schlägst du auf den Ruf.
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So dass sie denken, dass es ein Tier ist, aber dann folgt es ihnen.
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You're banging on the roof. And then you bang each other on the roof. Banging. Also, I think no more banging on the roof. These are the hottest April Fool's pranks of 2020. The Sleepwalker. You offer to get your friend coffee. You bring them back decaf with a bunch of melatonin in it so that they fall asleep at work or school. That's horrible. Alright, you want to do that other intro?
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These are the hottest April Fools Pranks. This year? Of 2025. Planks. These are the hottest April Fools Planks. These are the hottest April Fools pranks of 2025.
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Poochie. Poochie. Who's Poochie? Alright. These are ways to say that you're going to bed.
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These are ways to tell your friends you're going to bed. If your friend... Jesus.
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If you're Flan. If your friend's name is Matt, he can say, I'm going... Do you want to play with your can more?
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If your name is Matt, you can say, I'm going to the mattress for my Matt rest. That's pretty good. I'm clocking out. I'm going to go dance with the lady in black. Like that? I'm going to head to the severed floor. Dr. Pillow is operating... Jesus. Are you good, man? No. Dr. Pillow is operating on me in 15 minutes. I like that. I'm gonna go see how my sheets taste.
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I'm going where they can't hurt me. Zs. Alright, Zs. I feel like that one's gonna catch on. Alright, Zs. I got dinner with the Sandman and he's buying. Powering down.
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I'm gonna go see what's on my mind. I'm gonna go put some gas in the tank. I'm gonna go hang out with the sleepy time bear.
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Alright, that was another wonderful episode of Playdate.
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Ich weiß nicht, wer 92 trägt. Calais Campbell.
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I mean, we have nothing else to do. If you're over this, you can leave. We're gonna sit here until we fucking get this. Or a 92-year-old. 92-year-old Al Pacino.
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Yeah, 84. Stephen Hawking. Trey Hendrickson.
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Oh, wie ein reverse Catfish? Ja. Oh, also es sind Leute, die nur auf Dates zeigen, die ein wirklich gutes Herz haben. Ja.
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Oh, 91. Ich habe 91 und 93. Komm schon. Es muss ein Hockey-Spieler sein, der 92 hat.
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There literally might not be a commonly known 92. There has to be.
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Strawberry, raspberry. Max Crosby. Max Crosby with two X's.
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Barry ist lustig. Ich gebe auf auf die Nummer. Ich gebe nicht auf. Von Miller? Welcher war er? Von? Versuch es.
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Von Miller. Oh, er ist 58. Wer ist die Frau, von der ich so viele Mal gegessen habe?
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Who's 10 years older than Martin Scorsese? I'm so hungry. We have to get this. Can I just google it? I've invested enough time here. We're not leaving until we think of a 92-year-old. Guys...
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Michael Strahan. Michael Strahan? We're 92? I thought that's what it just said. James Harrison? Is that who that is? I don't know. Damn, I wouldn't have thought about that. Alright guys, comment down below your favorite berry for Lauren and text Lauren at 405-265-3349. Whose personality do you see on? Oh, this new guy. New guy? He's not new, but he's new to me.
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Das wäre lustig, wenn du... Das ist dein normaler Hinge. In jedem Foto habe ich Mustard auf meinem Shirt. Ein riesiger Mustard. Oder nur einen kleinen. Wie oft isst er... Wie oft isst er Mustard? Oh mein Gott. Wir hatten die besten Burgers.
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He's made a lot of songs that I had heard, but I didn't know his name, and I love his vibe. I'll give you a little taste right now.
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Will, whose personality are you gonna steal?
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Oh, nice. And then came back and ran for Congress and got elected again. Really? Yeah. Das ist großartig. Bist du ein Republikaner? Ja. Warte, was wirst du von ihm stehlen? Ich werde einfach in Charleston fliegen. Was ist mit den Süd-Carolina-Affizienten, die Dramatik haben? Ich glaube, die einzigen, die ich kenne, sind dieser Typ und Thomas Ravenel. Gleicher Vibe. Es gibt viel Korruption.
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He was elected to statewide office in South Carolina, so he kind of has to be. He got a 22-year-old pregnant on reality television twice, two seasons in a row. He's a guy. Yeah, dude, the crazy part, Mark Sanford said he was hiking the Appalachian Trail to explain why he was gone while he was governor. And then it turns out he was just in Argentina with his mistress. Oh, that's awesome. He's a man.
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How long was he in Argentina? Like months.
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Alright. Alright. We love you guys. Have a great rest of your Monday. Have a great Tuesday and we will see you guys bright and early on Wednesday. Peace. Lauren, play that theme music.
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Das war der beste Burger, den ich je hatte.
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Ich... Okay. Ich will nicht... Ich will nicht... Ich bin sorry für... Ich bin sorry für... Ich bin sorry für... Ich bin sorry für... Ich bin sorry für... Burgers. Das war lustig. Okay, danke. War es nicht... War es... Hatte ich dich unangenehm gemacht?
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Für etwa eine Stunde. Ich... Die beste Partie war, als Mia dich einfach aufschlug. Das war so lustig. Was hat sie gesagt? Ich weiß es nicht mehr. Ich habe mich überrascht.
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Okay, ich denke, wenn ich einfach zu einem Barbecue kam und ich einen nicht bekommen habe, dann ist das eine Sache, die du übernehmen musst. Ich habe alle Burger und Hotdogs gekauft und dann habe ich keinen bekommen. Ja, ich glaube, mein einziger war... Und dann war ich mehr wütend an Flan, weil ich war so, ich komme zurück, die werden bereit sein, wenn ich zurückkomme.
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Oder bevor ich zurückkomme, kannst du mir einen holen? Und dann, als ich zurückgekommen bin, hat jeder ihren zweiten Rund Burger gegessen. Keiner hatte einen zweiten Burger. Und sie war so, sie war so, es ist so schnell passiert. Sie kamen raus und alle haben einen genommen, bevor ich sagen konnte.
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Nein, wir sollten einen umdrehen. Ein Drohne. Ja, es gibt tatsächlich 80-Fuß-Gelände. Er wird in all den Höhlen gesteckt. Ich habe ein Video gesehen. Es muss sein gewesen. Ich denke, es war wie Boca Raton. Einer dieser Südfloridaisen Städte. Und diese Kinder. Ja, Boca.
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Ich war nicht so, es war nicht so wie eine Freizeit. Ja, ich war nur, es war eine schreckliche Bathroom-Tour. Und dann hat Scott mich getreut und gesagt, hey Mann, ich bin so entschuldigt. Er hat dich getreut? Ja, er hat gesagt, lass mich dich für die Burgers versorgen. Und ich war so, nein, das ist okay. Hat er wirklich gesagt? Ja, es war wirklich schön, aber ich war einfach so, ich weiß nicht.
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Ich war einfach so gespannt, einen zu haben und sie sahen so gut aus.
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Und jeder sprach darüber, wie gut sie waren. Und ich war so, großartig, okay, cool, ich werde es in der nächsten Runde bekommen. Ja. Wenn ihr euch weiter darüber sprechen wollt, dann ist es großartig, ich werde einen probieren. Und dann kamen wir nach Hause und Flan sagte, oh mein Gott, das war so gut, ich hatte einen Burger und zwei Hot Dogs. Ich hatte zwei Hot Dogs. Er sagte, danke, Junge.
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Aber es gab Hot Dogs. Es gab einen, der... Nein, es gab Hot Dogs. Es gab einen Hot Dog, der sich ausgeschnitten hat, um alle rauszuholen. Ich hasse es, es war ziemlich gut.
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You showed up right when it... I think you just didn't go for the burger until the end. Like, there were lots of burgers being dished out. Okay, this is true. And what I will... A mistake I will never make again is like, let's let everyone else get one and then I'll get in on the second round.
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Apparently, you just gotta be... I didn't realize I was friends with a pack of hyenas that were gonna make it impossible to have lunch or dinner. Well, I think we also had less burgers than people. So it was like inevitably someone was going to get it. I thought I ordered 16.
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What did you guys do yesterday? Oh man, fucking everything. Did your friends leave, Will? No, my buddy Jake's actually still here. Dude, your friends rock. Oh, thank you. Those two guys that were in town, obviously I'd met them before. The one that was... I don't think you had met either of them. Who was the guy in the green, Henley? Jake. Jake fucking rules. Yeah, he's a man.
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You know when you're talking to her, like... Du sprichst mit einem neuen Mann und es fühlt sich an, als ob er über deine Emotionen nachdenkt. Er fragt dich über dich selbst, weil es das ist, was du tun musst. Ja. Er war wirklich interessiert in jeder Lebensweise. Ja, er ist ein guter Kerl.
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Ich bin sehr glücklich. Meine College-Freunde sind wirklich gute Leute. Er fragte mich, was meine Lieblings-Tipps waren. Das klingt wie ein Mail-It-In-Question, aber es war wie, danke, endlich. Ich habe gewartet. Keiner hat mich über meine Lieblings-Tipps gefragt.
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I've only swam in them a couple of times. You know they empty them every week. Yeah, they gotta do it. They should do that shit every day. Seems like a waste of resources, right? I guess we have a lot of water, but
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April Fool's Day. That's one of our drafts. You didn't even know that.
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Ich erinnere mich an ein Mal, ich glaube, ich habe das schon gesagt, aber ich habe meinen Maus mit meinem Vaters Maus gewechselt, als er gearbeitet hat. Wahrscheinlich erzählen wir die selben Geschichten immer. Jemand hat kommentiert und gesagt, es schlägt mich literally ab. Es ist nicht nur wir, es sind viele Podcasts.
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Es schlägt diesen Jungen ab, dass die Leute vergessen, Podcaster vergessen, dass sie die selben Geschichten erzählt haben. Er ist wie Joe Rogan, er hat Leute an, und sie haben die selben Gespräche 20 Mal.
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Hast du schon mal ein TV-Show gesehen? Ja, ja, ja. Ja, ich und ich haben gestern wieder Freaks & Geeks gestartet.
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Du würdest Freaks & Geeks lieben. Alle diese... Es ist eine Statcast und es war ihre erste Show. Ich dachte, sie würden dich jetzt wählen. Freaks oder Geeks. Ja. Nein, das ist... Wer ist drin? James Franco.
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Das ist ein All-Time-Name, übrigens.
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There's one pasta-centric character.
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Tim Ravioli. They're all going through the trials and tribulations of high school and one girl is just like, hot, hot, hot pasta. What the hell was that? I panicked.
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Hot pasta. I was a vape god this weekend. You started vaping. I started vaping this weekend because we were in Vegas and they just have such cool names. So I got a Mr. Fog Max. That's what it's called? And I carried it through the weekend and then I was sitting in Kate's office this morning talking to her and took it out of my pocket and she was like, What? What is that? Yeah, it's like a vape.
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She was like, I thought we weren't allowed to... Apparently at the last office they made a rule that you're not allowed to vape in the office.