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Jake Sullivan

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The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

First, that foreign policy starts at home with major public investments in strategic sectors that help reinvigorate our industrial base and create jobs all over the United States. Second, that we put in place a series of protections against the likes of China, whose policies led to a shock in the United States in the early 2000s and deindustrialization of key communities.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

First, that foreign policy starts at home with major public investments in strategic sectors that help reinvigorate our industrial base and create jobs all over the United States. Second, that we put in place a series of protections against the likes of China, whose policies led to a shock in the United States in the early 2000s and deindustrialization of key communities.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

Third, that we protect American technologies, especially technologies that have national security implications so that they can't be used against us by our adversaries. And then finally, that a large part of the energy we put into our allies and partners is about organizing and coordinating an effort.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

Third, that we protect American technologies, especially technologies that have national security implications so that they can't be used against us by our adversaries. And then finally, that a large part of the energy we put into our allies and partners is about organizing and coordinating an effort.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

So they're similarly making these investments, and we are designing a coordinated approach to international economic policy that puts working people at the center. And if you take those four steps, which I believe the Biden administration has, you create a long-term trajectory where

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

So they're similarly making these investments, and we are designing a coordinated approach to international economic policy that puts working people at the center. And if you take those four steps, which I believe the Biden administration has, you create a long-term trajectory where

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

the American worker has more secure jobs, the potential for higher wages, where technology works for us rather than against us, and critically, where we have diverse and resilient supply chains that aren't dependent on any other country, especially a competitor like China.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

the American worker has more secure jobs, the potential for higher wages, where technology works for us rather than against us, and critically, where we have diverse and resilient supply chains that aren't dependent on any other country, especially a competitor like China.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

Well, I believe that President Biden got the big thing right. The United States is better off today because we are no longer at war in Afghanistan. If we were at war in Afghanistan today, that war would be entering its 25th year of American service members fighting and dying in Afghanistan. We got right

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

Well, I believe that President Biden got the big thing right. The United States is better off today because we are no longer at war in Afghanistan. If we were at war in Afghanistan today, that war would be entering its 25th year of American service members fighting and dying in Afghanistan. We got right

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

that we could refocus our energy and attention elsewhere on the competition with China, on supporting Ukraine, and on building up the kinds of alliances and partnerships that I've just described. And I would go further and say that the main arguments people made against leaving at the time have not borne out. One of them was that it was going to undermine us with our allies.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

that we could refocus our energy and attention elsewhere on the competition with China, on supporting Ukraine, and on building up the kinds of alliances and partnerships that I've just described. And I would go further and say that the main arguments people made against leaving at the time have not borne out. One of them was that it was going to undermine us with our allies.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

Our alliances are stronger today than they have been at any point in modern memory. A second was that it was going to lead to a massive upsurge of terrorism emanating directly from Afghanistan. We've recently seen a terrorist attack in New Orleans and the terrorist threat remains real, but we have not seen that resurgence from Afghanistan.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

Our alliances are stronger today than they have been at any point in modern memory. A second was that it was going to lead to a massive upsurge of terrorism emanating directly from Afghanistan. We've recently seen a terrorist attack in New Orleans and the terrorist threat remains real, but we have not seen that resurgence from Afghanistan.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

And we also showed that we could take out terrorists in Afghanistan by taking out Zawahiri, one of the architects of 9-11, even without boots on the ground. And they also said we wouldn't be able to get out our allies who supported us during the war, our Afghan allies.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

And we also showed that we could take out terrorists in Afghanistan by taking out Zawahiri, one of the architects of 9-11, even without boots on the ground. And they also said we wouldn't be able to get out our allies who supported us during the war, our Afghan allies.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

But in fact, we've gotten out tens of thousands, even since the fall of Kabul in August of 2021, making good on our promise to those people. Now, one of the things when I look back that I saw as something we could learn from is that we did not want to go out too early.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

But in fact, we've gotten out tens of thousands, even since the fall of Kabul in August of 2021, making good on our promise to those people. Now, one of the things when I look back that I saw as something we could learn from is that we did not want to go out too early.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

and start an evacuation because we were concerned that doing so would precipitate the very outcome that came to pass, the collapse of the government and the fall of Kabul. The government asked us not to move too rapidly because they were concerned that it would lead to a collapse of morale. Now, in hindsight, the collapse happened anyway. And so we learned a lesson from that.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

and start an evacuation because we were concerned that doing so would precipitate the very outcome that came to pass, the collapse of the government and the fall of Kabul. The government asked us not to move too rapidly because they were concerned that it would lead to a collapse of morale. Now, in hindsight, the collapse happened anyway. And so we learned a lesson from that.