Jamel Bouie

And in particular, they are targeting him for maybe being kind of soft on accountability for ICE, like having voted for funding for ICE.

And, um,

Mejia, by contrast, was very much running on, I will hold ICE accountable, abolish ICE.

And I think that is also going to be a litmus test, and it's going to be part of a larger litmus test of, do you want to hold this administration accountable?

What is your attitude towards this administration going forward?

Is it going to be, let's

Do some reform here and there and try to get past the worst?

Or is it going to be we want to hold these people accountable in dramatic ways?

Democratic voters have bloodlust right now.

That's the best way to put it.

And they don't want Democratic lawmakers who are not willing to reflect that back at them.

And while there is some connection, I think, between that and ideology, I think you're right to say that it's not necessarily connected.

And you can be – have like a moderate policy program but also be a very like anti-establishment figure.

What's interesting though is – I mean this is maybe just inherent to –

what Democratic Party politics is, regardless if we're on the spectrum.

The anti-establishment energy is an anti-institutional energy.

This isn't so much like we want to tear down institutions.

This is we want the institutions to work better and that corrupt people are making them work worse, right?

So it's not so much, and this is, I've seen comparisons not here in our conversation, but other places between this and the Tea Party energy.

And that's where I'd say is a big difference.