James Cameron

But at the very brink, they decide that there is something that they have to rise up for.

And when they see the horror of what's happened to Tanok and Pyakon's clan and all that, which I think is quite a heart-wrenching scene.

Right, exactly.

But we're able to see consciousness in others, in the eyes, in dogs, in the great apes.

I think it's a little harder in birds, even though they're pretty damn smart.

Whales, though, have a soulfulness.

Maybe to some extent we project it onto them, but I don't think so.

There's something very calm about whales.

They've been greatly injured on our planet.

So I think what I was trying to express there is look what we've done to them.

And they don't seem to hate us as much as we would if that was done to us.

Although there are pods of orcas near Gibraltar and off the Azores that are attacking sailboats now and ripping the rudders off and leaving them adrift.

Wow.

So it's like, are they learning?

Are they learning that we're actually not so great for them?

Workers have a matriarchal society and the mothers teach the sons behaviors.

And so the question is, is this being handed down?

Because it's been happening a lot in the last few years and it's the same group.

territorial group.

I went as deep as you could go.