James Cameron

And she sees this vision of destruction for herself.

She's like Kali.

Yes.

Right?

And then when Neytiri sees Spider, you know.

Finally.

And there's a bridge across the two species, across that divide, because she becomes quite a racist in the film, and that's by design.

It's like we take our most beloved character and we challenge you to really walk in her shoes and go the hard yards of what

loss and grief can do.

And I think about all these people and everything that they've lost in the world, whether it's in Gaza or Sudan or Ukraine or wherever, and how does that not generate just a hatred that will span generations?

Well, that's the cycle that we have to break, right?

You know, Loac says something at the beginning, and it's kind of like a little cheeky to actually say your theme out loud, you know, in the voiceover here.

I'm going to tell you what the movie's about, okay?

You know, and he says, the fire of hate leaves only the ash of grief.

But he doesn't complete it, which is from that ash of grief comes that fire of hate again, and the cycle perpetuates indefinitely.

So how do you break it, right?

That's the challenge, I think, that's presented in the movie.

How do you break it?

And how do you know when it's not about hatred and revenge and when you fight defensively for the things that you value, as opposed to offensively going out after somebody

to punish them for revenge, to take what's theirs, you know.