James Glissan

So on the one side, the argument may be that

We have an obligation to show the world that we take this seriously and it's not just lip service.

We the politicians.

We the politicians.

And when I say we, generally speaking, that's what I'll be meaning.

I certainly wouldn't speak for most Australians.

Then on the flip side, you've got to look at not just how our reputation works internationally.

but also how that affects us domestically as a country.

Because as you said, it's caused a lot of division.

It's become almost like a political chess piece.

Everybody has a say on it.

Everybody wants to show their position on it.

Yeah.

I had a look at it last night, but there are five sequences.

So there are five charges and some of them indicate direct involvement in an unlawful killing in a war environment.

But what's interesting to me when I read through them is others refer to his crimes

sort of satellite involvement so not directly being involved but being around it when it happened now typically when you see offenses like that there's more than one defendant because to make that out you have to show that it occurred in the first sort of like a conspiracy or aiding abetting or something very much like that yeah uh so it's interesting to see those charges appear where nobody else has been arrested and is is about to be put on trial

It's a long time.

Very long.

Yeah, so it's under the heading.