James Holland

And there are bits of bone there, but still there from the ash. It is utterly repulsive. And... Imagine arriving from that train on that incredibly long journey where you've had no comfort spots whatsoever.

It is utterly repulsive.

And...

Imagine arriving from that train on that incredibly long journey where you've had no comforts whatsoever.

You've had, again, you've had humiliations and privations, you know, the privations you've had to suffer as a result of that, you know, having to kind of defecate in a bucket in the corner in front of other people. It's just horrendous. And then you get there bewildered and immediately your kids are taken away from you or your, you know, husband and wife who've been married 20 years.

You've had, again, you've had humiliations and privations, you know, the privations you've had to suffer as a result of that, you know, having to kind of defecate in a bucket in the corner in front of other people. It's just horrendous. And then you get there bewildered and immediately your kids are taken away from you or your, you know, husband and wife who've been married 20 years.

You've had, again, you've had humiliations and privations, you know, the privations you've had to suffer as a result of that, you know, having to kind of defecate in a bucket in the corner in front of other people. It's just horrendous. And then you get there bewildered and immediately your kids are taken away from you or your, you know, husband and wife who've been married 20 years.

You've had, again, you've had humiliations and privations, you know, the privations you've had to suffer as a result of that, you know, having to kind of defecate in a bucket in the corner in front of other people.

It's just horrendous.

And then you get there bewildered and immediately your kids are taken away from you or your, you know, husband and wife who've been married 20 years.

They're separated just like that. sent off into different groups straight to the gas chambers. I mean, the scale of cruelty is so immense. It's hard to fathom. And the thing that I find really difficult to reconcile, and this is where I think the warning from history is important, is that Germany is such an amazing nation.

They're separated just like that. sent off into different groups straight to the gas chambers. I mean, the scale of cruelty is so immense. It's hard to fathom. And the thing that I find really difficult to reconcile, and this is where I think the warning from history is important, is that Germany is such an amazing nation.

They're separated just like that. sent off into different groups straight to the gas chambers. I mean, the scale of cruelty is so immense. It's hard to fathom. And the thing that I find really difficult to reconcile, and this is where I think the warning from history is important, is that Germany is such an amazing nation.

They're separated just like that.

sent off into different groups, straight to the gas chambers.

I mean, the scale of cruelty is so immense.

It's hard to fathom.

And the thing that I find really difficult to reconcile, and this is where I think the warning from history is important, is that Germany is such an amazing nation.

You know, it's the country of Beethoven and Strauss and of Goethe and incredible art and culture and some of the greatest engineers and scientists have ever lived.

You know, it's the country of Beethoven and Strauss and of Goethe and incredible art and culture and some of the greatest engineers and scientists have ever lived. And look how quickly it flipped into the descent of unspeakable inhumanity, which manifests itself in the Holocaust and the gas chambers and the executions into pits and tiny places and creeks in Lithuania or Ukraine or whatever.