James Holland

Let's get it to sign up.

But there is... Don't be too cynical about the moral component on this.

You know, I'm convinced that this is part of the whole thing.

Yes, I mean, let's let the world be free.

Let it choose its own things.

Let the world be prosperous, but let America be top dog and most prosperous of all.

Yeah, but also that there's got to be a new world order in which your imperial pass has to kind of be pushed into the long grass.

He's looking for a very much sort of European...

Caucasian kind of prism.

Yeah.

But isn't it amazing that here he is in the summer of 1941 and he's thinking about what the world is going to look like after the war and how America can make advantage of this.

before they've even entered the war themselves.

I mean, it is extraordinary.

That's his vision.

That's why he's a visionary, because he's looking so far ahead.

But how to lose a war.

Well, yeah, and it's interesting because, you know, Philip Payson O'Brien, you know, big fan of his, you know, he was writing just the other day and pointing out that one of the classic mistakes of leaders in war is thinking about the war and planning for the war as they want it to be fought, not as it actually is being fought.

And this is, you know, this idea of looking at the world and how it should be through the prism of your own narrow worldview rather than,

through the eyes of your enemy or the bigger picture.

And this is obviously one of the big errors of Hitler because he can only look at it through that because he doesn't have that geopolitical understanding.