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James Kynge

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The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

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The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

When I was a journalist at the FT, we used to try and do this a lot.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

I don't know how these guys did it, but they managed it.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

And they found, for instance, that about 800 billion US dollars in Chinese ownership of companies abroad is held by Cayman Islands subsidiaries of those Chinese companies.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

So this is a massive kind of backdoor, I suppose, to acquisitions all over the world.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

And then the revelation is, after that,

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

that these Chinese companies, these Cayman Island companies, have been buying primarily tech companies, and they've been buying them apparently because of the pre-patent intellectual property that these companies held.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

So...

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

They're doing that because then they get hold of the intellectual property.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

And as you said, Alice, that allows them to climb the technology ladder and to take China with them.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

So what this paper to me has discovered is this extraordinarily vibrant route through the tax havens to the budding tech...

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

tech companies in the US and Europe and elsewhere that have helped China ascend the technology ladder to a degree that, well, certainly I had no idea about before.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

So I think it's a really big contribution to our understanding of how the world works.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

Then the last finding is that once

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

These companies in the US and Europe have been bought by a Chinese company held in the Cayman Islands or in one of the other tax havens.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

The intellectual property is then taken back to the Chinese company and then registered as a patent.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

And that's one of the reasons why we see China owning so many of the patents in the world these days.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

At the moment, the applications by Chinese companies for patents at the World Intellectual Property Organization at the United Nations is far greater than any other country.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

From memory, I think it's about 1.8 million patents pending, applications pending, and that compares to about 500,000 for the US.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: The Trump-Xi Meeting That Could Reshape the Global Economy

I think this paper has discovered a crucial kind of backdoor that China used to vault itself higher up the technological ladder.