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James Kynge

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
759 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

The other thing is that, as you've already mentioned, China has a clear and explicit policy to boost sales of domestic chips.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

That's domestically made chips and not imported chips.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

And as we've seen, China is putting its money where its mouth is.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

It's got something called the Big Fund.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

To give it its proper name, it's called the National Integrated Circuit Industry Investment Fund.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

It's basically around $100 billion US dollars.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

in three tranches that are given as subsidies to promising Chinese semiconductor companies.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

And the latest tranche is about 50 billion US dollars.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

So the Chinese state is very much behind companies like Moore's Threads that are aiming to replace foreign companies selling semiconductors into China.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

So at the moment, all those things seem to be sort of stacked against this small Chinese company or, well, relatively small.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

I mean, it's starting from a low base.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

It doesn't make a profit.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

It's on the U.S.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

export control list.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

So there's a lot of things that are not necessarily auguring that well for it, but

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

the big picture, the size of the market, the size of the government support, and the fact that it makes a product or makes so-called GPUs, which are intended to directly replace quite a few of Nvidia's sales in China.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

All of those things, I think, are behind this enormous valuation and the way in which, obviously, investors in China are getting behind it.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

But overall, I'd say at the moment, it's too early to say whether this company will be successful.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

What's your take?

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why Apple Can't Quit China (ft. Patrick McGee)

That's it.