James Moore

The one thing I will say is that I do believe that prime minister Carney, who saw Brexit up close and personal and the consequences of Brexit up close and personal, and somebody who's learned about Canadian history, this team Canada approach to trade with the United States.

I think you'll see that times 10 with regard to these challenges, because he is somebody who genuinely understands what sovereignty movements can do in terms of, um,

rapidly causing the disintegration of families and countries.

And I think that he will genuinely try to find help and advice from people who are very thoughtful beyond the normal silos of sort of the liberal universe.

And I think that's something Canadians should be comforted by.

Well, I think in part because they think, well, it's never really going to happen, so we can have some fun over here.

But my point is, I don't think it's going to happen.

I don't think a referendum will be successful.

I don't think there's a pathway for Alberta to leave Confederation.

You can't have a unilateral declaration of independence.

I don't think it can actually happen.

But that doesn't mean there can't be a ton of destruction along the way.

And as I said, things will be said that can't be unsaid.

Exactly.

neighborhoods will be broken against each other or the urban rural divide in Alberta, which is already really problematic in terms of governing the province, let alone the country that's going to get exacerbated, be made worse.

So, so there are problems with this.

So I think there's a, there's a foolhardiness about what we can sort of play games with this and sort of see if it'll, it'll move the needle on some of the projects and things that we really care about.

I think that's, it's really irresponsible citizenship.

I don't know that there's a lot of...

Again, pushing towards market access, frankly, the cultural barriers and the supply chain barriers and all that, that's a lot of spade work, right?