James O'Keefe

good people like Kelsey Goodman from FEMA or Clarissa from the GSA, who are just genuinely decent human beings. And I look up to them. And the line in the sand when I rode that train, I was scared to death. But I looked up to a guy named Anthony Rubin, a YouTuber, who did it before me. So I try to look to people who set the example, and I follow them. And I would encourage – that's what we do.

That's what we do. We look at the best in people, and then we take the action.

That's what we do. We look at the best in people, and then we take the action.

I mean, I've been doing this for – I've been doing this since I was in college, so that's 21 years, Charlie. I've been embattled most of my life. In other words, I've always been the underdog. And I actually think that with Elon purchasing Twitter, which you pointed out was the greatest thing that ever happened in Western civilization, and turning point, Charlie, what did Shapiro say?

I mean, I've been doing this for – I've been doing this since I was in college, so that's 21 years, Charlie. I've been embattled most of my life. In other words, I've always been the underdog. And I actually think that with Elon purchasing Twitter, which you pointed out was the greatest thing that ever happened in Western civilization, and turning point, Charlie, what did Shapiro say?

That you built your own better version of the RNC? That stop complaining about the media. They're done. It's dead. You are the media. We are the media. So I wear this on my chest. Do you see any people on television doing that investigative reporter thingy? Are they out in the field for weeks or months? Are they doing investigative reporting into the deep state? Have you ever seen that before?

That you built your own better version of the RNC? That stop complaining about the media. They're done. It's dead. You are the media. We are the media. So I wear this on my chest. Do you see any people on television doing that investigative reporter thingy? Are they out in the field for weeks or months? Are they doing investigative reporting into the deep state? Have you ever seen that before?

Well, they haven't done it for a lot of reasons. A lot of it's economics. There's not a lot of money in journalism. That's why it's usually a nonprofit activity. A lot of it's fear. And a lot of it's the relationships that journalists have with those in the government. They have a symbiotic relationship, give and take. I'll keep you secret. You give me your secrets.

Well, they haven't done it for a lot of reasons. A lot of it's economics. There's not a lot of money in journalism. That's why it's usually a nonprofit activity. A lot of it's fear. And a lot of it's the relationships that journalists have with those in the government. They have a symbiotic relationship, give and take. I'll keep you secret. You give me your secrets.

But the secrets they're given aren't truth. It's falsehoods. It's propaganda. So it's incumbent upon we, the people, the only people who can do the job are citizen journalists. We the people. And you have to have a philanthropic heart to do it because it's not easy and it's not profitable. So I think, Charlie, the media is dead. Hollywood's done.

But the secrets they're given aren't truth. It's falsehoods. It's propaganda. So it's incumbent upon we, the people, the only people who can do the job are citizen journalists. We the people. And you have to have a philanthropic heart to do it because it's not easy and it's not profitable. So I think, Charlie, the media is dead. Hollywood's done.

And stop complaining about it and just do their jobs for them.

And stop complaining about it and just do their jobs for them.

I never, as you know, I never ever advocate for policy. However, Snowden needs to be pardoned.

I never, as you know, I never ever advocate for policy. However, Snowden needs to be pardoned.

I second everything Charlie said. I would say the thing that I take from the Ed Snowden matter is the power of one man because people think, well, I'm just one person. He's one individual. He changed world history. He changed the course of history. Correct. I don't know what's in his heart. You know, people say, is he a traitor? Is he a hero?

I second everything Charlie said. I would say the thing that I take from the Ed Snowden matter is the power of one man because people think, well, I'm just one person. He's one individual. He changed world history. He changed the course of history. Correct. I don't know what's in his heart. You know, people say, is he a traitor? Is he a hero?

This is really the tale as old as time with whistleblowers. You can be both. And it's extra legal what you do. You're violating your covenant. You're violating your nondisclosure agreement. You're violating your agreement with your employer for the public's right to know. That's right. As someone who's been through this, I'm a little biased. And here's why.

This is really the tale as old as time with whistleblowers. You can be both. And it's extra legal what you do. You're violating your covenant. You're violating your nondisclosure agreement. You're violating your agreement with your employer for the public's right to know. That's right. As someone who's been through this, I'm a little biased. And here's why.

Because the FBI came to my home, told Charlie this story, pounded on my door. I'm an American reporter. So if another country did this, our State Department would issue a press release and say this is wrong. Correct. The FBI came to my house with a battering ram like they're Vikings or something and smashed my door in, took guns, pointed it at my head, and took my reporter notebooks. Wow.