James O'Keefe

in a federal courtroom proceeding, and the attorney asks, you allege that James O'Keefe owes you money or stole money. How much did James steal? Right here.

$785,000.25.

$785,000.25.

27.

27.

Well, there was another clip in the deposition. You could pull it up here in a minute, but he says that these companies could, this is his quote, could be sold to Pfizer.

Well, there was another clip in the deposition. You could pull it up here in a minute, but he says that these companies could, this is his quote, could be sold to Pfizer.

And these companies, now when you're in a nonprofit organization that investigates these things, we have to sign a conflict of interest policy. Right. And this is very important. In my business, infinitely more important than any other business. If you have financial investments in these companies, you have to disclose them. Sure.

And these companies, now when you're in a nonprofit organization that investigates these things, we have to sign a conflict of interest policy. Right. And this is very important. In my business, infinitely more important than any other business. If you have financial investments in these companies, you have to disclose them. Sure.

I did not know this, but every one of my board members were co-investing in these companies without my knowledge. They were soliciting money from each other to put into these companies. And I didn't know it until I got to this lawsuit. And this is an ongoing lawsuit.

I did not know this, but every one of my board members were co-investing in these companies without my knowledge. They were soliciting money from each other to put into these companies. And I didn't know it until I got to this lawsuit. And this is an ongoing lawsuit.

Go for it. Only thing that has changed. is that we broke the biggest story in our organization's history. It was a story that was so big that it was a combination of the board thinking they finally could do this without James O'Keefe, but also maybe some conflicts of interest per their own words.

Go for it. Only thing that has changed. is that we broke the biggest story in our organization's history. It was a story that was so big that it was a combination of the board thinking they finally could do this without James O'Keefe, but also maybe some conflicts of interest per their own words.

Yeah, it turns out I was up against all these people who were financially aligned. We can pause it right there, Ron.

Yeah, it turns out I was up against all these people who were financially aligned. We can pause it right there, Ron.

The problem was nobody was willing to be on my board. The people that I trusted and respected the most said, I can't be on your board. I'll write you a hundred thousand dollar check. I'm just not going to be on the board. This is a nonprofit tax deductible money. Someone even wrote us a half a million dollar check, but he says, I can't be on your board because I, you know, it's too risky for me.

The problem was nobody was willing to be on my board. The people that I trusted and respected the most said, I can't be on your board. I'll write you a hundred thousand dollar check. I'm just not going to be on the board. This is a nonprofit tax deductible money. Someone even wrote us a half a million dollar check, but he says, I can't be on your board because I, you know, it's too risky for me.

The liabilities, Pat, the liabilities of what I do approach infinity, right? I've been sued dozens of times. There's no, at least not yet, I hope to make it sustainable and profitable. There's no profit in this. You can't become wealthy doing this. Why? Because you get sued so much. And the legal fees on the balance sheet, the liabilities always outweigh the assets.

The liabilities, Pat, the liabilities of what I do approach infinity, right? I've been sued dozens of times. There's no, at least not yet, I hope to make it sustainable and profitable. There's no profit in this. You can't become wealthy doing this. Why? Because you get sued so much. And the legal fees on the balance sheet, the liabilities always outweigh the assets.

So you have to be a little nuts, at least in the right way. to do this.