James O'Keefe

Just a week later, I was fired. Now it turns out they had investments. You're looking at a federal deposition of George Skakel, and he's admitting that he was in business with these other board members, Charlie. So this is kind of some breaking news here. And I am in talks to retain control, get back in control of Project Veritas, the nonprofit that I once founded.

Well, I mean, you and I have talked about this in Arizona and elsewhere. It's a lot of things. This film, The Truth Behind Veritas, is really a story about original sin. I think what we do, the investigative video journalism, getting sued all the time. By the way, I got sued last week by one of these deep state guys that we busted. I think people are put under pressure.

Well, I mean, you and I have talked about this in Arizona and elsewhere. It's a lot of things. This film, The Truth Behind Veritas, is really a story about original sin. I think what we do, the investigative video journalism, getting sued all the time. By the way, I got sued last week by one of these deep state guys that we busted. I think people are put under pressure.

They're put through a high-powered lens. But when you run an organization, you have people who feel entitled, who sometimes get jealous or get envious, and that can turn very toxic. It can grow vindictive when people don't get what they want. but also when you're being raided by the feds, when you're being sued all the time. I think people are put under pressure. People tend to crack.

They're put through a high-powered lens. But when you run an organization, you have people who feel entitled, who sometimes get jealous or get envious, and that can turn very toxic. It can grow vindictive when people don't get what they want. but also when you're being raided by the feds, when you're being sued all the time. I think people are put under pressure. People tend to crack.

People tend to break. People tend to betray you. So this is a really interesting saga, a really interesting documentary that we've produced about everything that's happened. It's an hour-long film behind our paywall at OMG, but there's a 12-minute video online that takes you through some of the highlights. It's very, very difficult, Charlie. I've talked about this extensively. It's very painful.

People tend to break. People tend to betray you. So this is a really interesting saga, a really interesting documentary that we've produced about everything that's happened. It's an hour-long film behind our paywall at OMG, but there's a 12-minute video online that takes you through some of the highlights. It's very, very difficult, Charlie. I've talked about this extensively. It's very painful.

to go through that. And we've all been through it to some degree, if you ever built anything. And I learned some lessons about who to surround myself and who not to surround myself with. And you got to have really strong people who are very virtuous people who are willing to tell the truth and shame the devil. Not an easy thing to endure, but hopefully this will all get resolved very soon.

to go through that. And we've all been through it to some degree, if you ever built anything. And I learned some lessons about who to surround myself and who not to surround myself with. And you got to have really strong people who are very virtuous people who are willing to tell the truth and shame the devil. Not an easy thing to endure, but hopefully this will all get resolved very soon.

Very good question. I think the number one lesson I've learned is – I would say, Charlie, everyone can come into my inner circle. If you want to be involved, by all means, and I know that you get this. I get this every day. Hundreds of messages of people wanting to help.

Very good question. I think the number one lesson I've learned is – I would say, Charlie, everyone can come into my inner circle. If you want to be involved, by all means, and I know that you get this. I get this every day. Hundreds of messages of people wanting to help.

And it's one thing for them to help with the grassroots level, but I think letting them into your inner sanctum, I think – and I hope you would agree. You really do have to be careful with who you surround yourself with. You can't let everybody into your headquarters close to you because I think people will – they will betray you when the going gets tough.

And it's one thing for them to help with the grassroots level, but I think letting them into your inner sanctum, I think – and I hope you would agree. You really do have to be careful with who you surround yourself with. You can't let everybody into your headquarters close to you because I think people will – they will betray you when the going gets tough.

Not because you've done anything wrong, but because they're incentivized to. And I think one of the things I've struggled with is how to reconcile the instinct for self-preservation with always doing the right thing. And if you're going to be a truth teller, and I mean if you're really going to be a truth teller,

Not because you've done anything wrong, but because they're incentivized to. And I think one of the things I've struggled with is how to reconcile the instinct for self-preservation with always doing the right thing. And if you're going to be a truth teller, and I mean if you're really going to be a truth teller,

you, the preservation for, you know, self-preservation and self-interest come into conflict with that. So you have to find people who are almost messianic, who are mission-driven, who are self-sacrificial to a certain degree.

you, the preservation for, you know, self-preservation and self-interest come into conflict with that. So you have to find people who are almost messianic, who are mission-driven, who are self-sacrificial to a certain degree.

If you want to do this type of truth telling so what I've learned is discernment, and perhaps I was slightly naive, but I also think like I said this is a story about original sin. You watch this film, and it's it's really remarkable that the vindictiveness and the pettiness of people and also, you know, sometimes it just comes down to money. It just comes down to money.

If you want to do this type of truth telling so what I've learned is discernment, and perhaps I was slightly naive, but I also think like I said this is a story about original sin. You watch this film, and it's it's really remarkable that the vindictiveness and the pettiness of people and also, you know, sometimes it just comes down to money. It just comes down to money.

And you heard Skakel say in the movie, he points at his house and says, you can't afford my house, O'Keefe. And that statement just said so much about who he is. And unfortunately, you've got some people here who I probably shouldn't have hired.