James O'Keefe

Thanks so much. It's great to be on, as always.

Thanks so much. It's great to be on, as always.

Yeah, I mean, I think it was – I saw somebody else refer to this as the art of the – I think it was Matt Gaetz, actually. And I think he's right and certainly has the credibility to say that. I just think it was a very practical decision on President Trump's part. I think he doesn't need the disruption anymore.

Yeah, I mean, I think it was – I saw somebody else refer to this as the art of the – I think it was Matt Gaetz, actually. And I think he's right and certainly has the credibility to say that. I just think it was a very practical decision on President Trump's part. I think he doesn't need the disruption anymore.

I think it's very different to have a big game of chicken when we don't control the White House and we don't control the Senate as opposed to a time where we have the new president coming in. We've got we've got all three branches of government and we just don't need the distraction.

I think it's very different to have a big game of chicken when we don't control the White House and we don't control the Senate as opposed to a time where we have the new president coming in. We've got we've got all three branches of government and we just don't need the distraction.

Well, I think that's what some folks are worried about. I'm not as worried about that. I mean, I don't think that we're going to wind up with some weird thing where it's like, oh, gosh, you know, some weird thing happened and all of a sudden we're going to have President Harris. I mean, I understand why folks are going to be concerned about that, but it just seems sort of far-fetched.

Well, I think that's what some folks are worried about. I'm not as worried about that. I mean, I don't think that we're going to wind up with some weird thing where it's like, oh, gosh, you know, some weird thing happened and all of a sudden we're going to have President Harris. I mean, I understand why folks are going to be concerned about that, but it just seems sort of far-fetched.

But I think people are just trying to avoid chaos. They're trying to avoid a bad look, and they're just – going to go forward on that basis that they want everything to run smoothly. And maybe Johnson is not the ideal guy, but he's the guy we have. And so we're going to go forward with him.

But I think people are just trying to avoid chaos. They're trying to avoid a bad look, and they're just – going to go forward on that basis that they want everything to run smoothly. And maybe Johnson is not the ideal guy, but he's the guy we have. And so we're going to go forward with him.

Yeah, well, I think, as usual, the truth is often somewhere in between. I think that this has actually been a really healthy debate. I'm not one of those folks who's been discouraged by it. Charlie, I know you've been pretty vocal about the fact that we need to find a kind of way to work together with all the members of this coalition. But I'm glad we had the discussion today.

Yeah, well, I think, as usual, the truth is often somewhere in between. I think that this has actually been a really healthy debate. I'm not one of those folks who's been discouraged by it. Charlie, I know you've been pretty vocal about the fact that we need to find a kind of way to work together with all the members of this coalition. But I'm glad we had the discussion today.

i don't think that i think what it has exposed is that a lot of these h-1b folks are actually not at all elite and at the very worst i think we can come out of this with an h-1b system like my friend mark kirkorian at the center for immigration studies has pushed that you would have an auction so that you really are only getting at least a higher skill higher uh folks up on the food chain to do this um but i think look immigration is going to be an issue for the base it's certainly an issue for me

i don't think that i think what it has exposed is that a lot of these h-1b folks are actually not at all elite and at the very worst i think we can come out of this with an h-1b system like my friend mark kirkorian at the center for immigration studies has pushed that you would have an auction so that you really are only getting at least a higher skill higher uh folks up on the food chain to do this um but i think look immigration is going to be an issue for the base it's certainly an issue for me

And I'm glad that we put a shot across the bow. And I think hopefully the tech right folks are going to pause a little bit and realize that we need to get some real wins on immigration if they're going to get anything that they really want on H-1B.

And I'm glad that we put a shot across the bow. And I think hopefully the tech right folks are going to pause a little bit and realize that we need to get some real wins on immigration if they're going to get anything that they really want on H-1B.

No, absolutely. And in fact, I have a whole chapter in my book that's essentially on Silicon Valley and what happened here. And I've got a subsection of that chapter called the H-1B scam that kind of goes into this a lot. So I think you've got all sorts of concerning things happen. You have a lot of ethnic nepotism in hiring going on.

No, absolutely. And in fact, I have a whole chapter in my book that's essentially on Silicon Valley and what happened here. And I've got a subsection of that chapter called the H-1B scam that kind of goes into this a lot. So I think you've got all sorts of concerning things happen. You have a lot of ethnic nepotism in hiring going on.

Once you get whites kind of getting shoved out of these processes, you get blackmail. White middle Americans often not even kind of being in the position set where they're considered. Often that's a public school system failure. So it's a whole bunch of things. But you've also had over the last few decades, you've had a net white flight from Silicon Valley that we haven't talked about.

Once you get whites kind of getting shoved out of these processes, you get blackmail. White middle Americans often not even kind of being in the position set where they're considered. Often that's a public school system failure. So it's a whole bunch of things. But you've also had over the last few decades, you've had a net white flight from Silicon Valley that we haven't talked about.