James Oten

she's facing two charges, up to 25 years per offence.

she's facing two charges, up to 25 years per offence.

So very serious.

So very serious.

And the more serious the offences, the higher the bar is to get bail.

And the more serious the offences, the higher the bar is to get bail.

And that's what we saw play out in the court, that because we are dealing with crimes against humanity, because we are dealing with links to terrorism, the bar was extraordinarily high compared to someone who might be charged with

And that's what we saw play out in the court, that because we are dealing with crimes against humanity, because we are dealing with links to terrorism, the bar was extraordinarily high compared to someone who might be charged with

An assault down at the pub.

An assault down at the pub.

No, that's what makes this case so fascinating.

No, that's what makes this case so fascinating.

This is the first time that these types of charges have gone through the Australian legal system.

This is the first time that these types of charges have gone through the Australian legal system.

And that's one of the complicating factors here that we heard, for instance, from the defence team saying that this will be a very long, lengthy, complicated court case.

And that's one of the complicating factors here that we heard, for instance, from the defence team saying that this will be a very long, lengthy, complicated court case.

And that was one of the reasons why they argued bail should be granted.

And that was one of the reasons why they argued bail should be granted.

Because they were estimating it could take three years, but realistically, it could take a lot longer.

Because they were estimating it could take three years, but realistically, it could take a lot longer.