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James Smith

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

And it turns out that there's really interesting experimental evidence from E. coli, natural chirality E. coli, so just normal E. coli, a type of bacterium that's very commonly studied, that you can grow it on completely achiral carbon sources as food.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

So you can basically feed it only achiral food sources and it will still grow.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

Okay.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

And from the perspective of a myrobacterium, an achiral food source looks exactly the same as it does from the perspective of a normal chirality E. coli.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

So you can just directly infer that the myrobacterium would be able to grow on the same things.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

And then we know that those nutrients, those achiral nutrients that E. coli have been shown to be able to grow on are present in human blood at concentrations that would be sufficient to enable growth.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

There is some uncertainty here.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

So they're going to have some fitness disadvantage.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

They're going to probably grow a bit more slowly than they might otherwise.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

But this is assuming that we're just taking an exact mirror of a natural E. coli.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

The thing I'm most worried about is a malicious actor doing this.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

In that case, if you're trying to cause harm, you would engineer into that bacterium the ability to consume common chiral nutrients like glucose.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

And in that case, you would no longer have this nutritional constraint.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

And I think it's pretty hard to get out of the conclusion that if someone was trying to cause harm, they wouldn't be able to engineer around some of these constraints.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

There's already a blueprint for how you would introduce the ability to consume D glucose, which is the common form of glucose.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

um there's a alpha proteobacterium that can metabolize mirror glucose so there's one that we already know about in the world that can metabolize mirror glucose and so you could use that pathway but in its mirror form and engineer that into great yeah into your mirror bacterium and then it would be able to consume uh to consume normal glucose and that's a very very common nutrient

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

Something we haven't talked about is if you were to make myrobacteria for industrial applications, you probably also would want to engineer them so that they could consume common nutrients because those nutrients are going to be easier to get hold of to grow it.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

So let's say you were making myrobacteria to produce drugs, which is one thing that people have been interested in.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

Then you'd probably want to engineer the bacterium to be able to consume glucose.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

And that means that the risk of an accident there would be would be high.