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James Smith

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

Yeah, that sounds about right.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

There's a lot of nuance here that we're going to unpack for sure.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

But I think this is a reasonable analogy.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

And we know from a lot of people who have defects in just one major pathway of immunity that they're similarly really susceptible to bacterial infections.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

So even if one or even many parts of the immune system do work, that's not enough to be confident that you're going to be protected from an infection.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

Yeah, I mean, historically, I think the main reason people wanted to do this was because it would be a really cool technical project.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

And I think there is something aesthetically very pleasing about creating this mirror of life on Earth that I completely buy into.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

And

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

But I don't think it's sufficient justification when there are these risks.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

People didn't know about these risks until quite recently.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

So now I don't think any well-meaning scientist is going to go ahead and build mirror life.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

And in fact, all the people who previously said they wanted to make mirror life have been part of this discussion and are calling for mirror life to not be made.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

So what I'm most concerned about now is malicious actors that might in the long term want to make this to cause a huge amount of harm.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

Also, the possibility that AI could do this.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

This is something that's been recognized in a fair amount of AI commentary now.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

AI 2027, they talk about neurobacteria in the slowdown scenario.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

Will McCaskill talks about this in his preparing for an intelligence explosion.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

And a bunch of other senior AI scientists have been referencing this work.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

So that's something that I think needs more thought.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why I quit everything to work on a biothreat nobody had heard of | James Smith, Mirror Biology Dialogues Fund

It's also possible that someone might develop mirror bacteria for industrial applications.