James Stout

Yeah, no.

I would be shocked if there's not a film about this.

I know the captain of the ship has written a book about his time being captured.

But obviously like this kind of rattled the world, right?

It scared a lot of people specifically in the shipping industry because this is a scary thing to happen.

And specifically this change in the nature of piracy from taking stuff to potentially capturing people.

And I believe the goal of the pirates here was to get the captain ashore where they could hide him more easily, right?

In Somalia.

And then it becomes an entirely different issue

When you're trying to get U.S.

troops into a completely different country to rescue someone.

A different landmass, yeah.

Yeah.

And I think it's really important to talk about the jurisdictional issues here because they are what gives the PMSCs so much leeway.

I think we'll take a little break talking about jurisdiction and then we will come back.

All right, we're back.

So to understand private maritime security companies, you've got to understand the world of flags of convenience first.

Are you familiar with flags of convenience, Garrison?

No.

No, okay.