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James Stout

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

The insurers and their counsel benefited from Granville Sharpe's lobbying and legal mind, but they're not on the same side precisely.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

The insurers are slavery profiteers.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

They don't want the trade to end.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

They don't want abolition.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

They're making money off of it, right?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

They just don't want to pay money in this case.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

Sharpe is on board with them because he also doesn't want Gregson to get a bunch of money for killing these โ€“ or for his people killing these people.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

But he also sees this case fundamentally as a way to set further precedents on the road to ending the slave trade, right?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

He is thinking about this from the jump, that I am doing this because it's a step to something better.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

Now, Judge Mansfield tries to deny that possibility from the outset of the trial, insisting that this case is purely regarding the insurance policy on the Zong or the Zorg.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

Mansfield insists the case of the slaves was the same as if horses had been thrown overboard.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

And for the most part, the actual arguments in the case do not rely on enslaved Africans having more rights than a horse, right?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

That is kind of what's going on here.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

The central legal question is not, was it bad that they killed these people?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

It's,

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

Did these people have to die because disasters that the Zorg's crew were not in control of had caused a situation where it was impossible to keep them alive, right?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

Is this a situation where there was no other option, where people were going to die one way or the other and they were trying to save a portion of the crew and the cargo?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

Right.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

Or was this a case where the people operating the ship had fucked up constantly and

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

and unnecessarily murdered a bunch of people, and we're now trying to get insurance money to cover up the fact that they fucked up, right?