James Stout

That's a separate kind of – Like he's just a bunch of shit happens.

And he's a good writer.

He is a really good writer.

Yeah.

Maybe not – I don't know about this point, but yeah.

Yeah.

No, but there's not much shit from that period that I can assign in whole to undergraduates in 2025 and have them be like, wow, that's fucked up.

Like it makes people feel things still centuries later.

Yeah.

It's really powerful.

Yeah.

I do really recommend reading it because among other things, it's just, there's a lot, I mean, the early portions of the book are just a lot about life in that part of Africa at the time that you're not going to run into a lot of firsthand accounts of.

No, it's interesting.

Yeah.

I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltsin.

At that point, it didn't occur to me what fight was going to come to follow.

We felt like we were in the presence of someone who was going to the grave with nightmarish secrets.

So again, within this horrible situation, he gets crazy lucky again because the next person to buy him is a Quaker.

And again, most – a lot of Quakers are anti-slavery.

This guy, Robert King, clearly isn't totally against slavery, but he's also still a Quaker, right?