James Stout

Um, and he comes from like a very rich family, right?

I mean, he goes to Cambridge, right?

And he's rich because his dad, Benjamin is a slave merchant in Liverpool and his younger brother, also Benjamin, Benjamin Arthur is a slave merchant in Liverpool and

And over like the years they'd been doing this, something like 130 different slave voyages had been financed and operated by the Haywood family, right?

They transported – at least according to Siddharth Kara, they had transported something like 42,000 enslaved people like over the course of their time in this industry.

And in fact, the Haywoods had invested in at least one slave ship with William Grigson, with like the Grigson Syndicate, right?

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

So this is a kid whose money and whose schooling and stuff is paid for by slave money, and he's an abolitionist by now.

He fundamentally objects to the slave trade, right?

And so when he's representing the underwriters in this case, he's probably pissing off his family.

So it's just very interesting to me that this is a kid from slave money who's like, nah, this is bad.

Nah, bro.

If anyone ever says people who grew up in that culture couldn't know it was wrong.

Yeah, a lot of them did.

Here's a dude.

Here's a dude.

I don't know that if he was like a committed full-on abolitionist because a lot of these guys were just anti the slave trade and thought that that was like the middle passage and stuff with the triangle trade was the worst part of it.

But that's still a better than not being against that, right?

It's a step.