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James Stout

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

you know, the people who won are still involved in the slaving industry.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

No one has attained any additional rights.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

No one's ruled that enslaved people are human beings.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

They're still the same as cargo, right?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

How is this?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

You could see someone, especially like a political radical at the time being like, this is the worst kind of incrementalism.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

You've achieved nothing, right?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

You can see how someone might think that.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

That is not the case.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

And in fact, part of why I think the story's important

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

is it illustrates how critical small and seemingly pyrrhic victories can be in pursuit of sweeping social change.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

First off, while there's no second trial, the fact that a retrial was granted means that slave merchants had been given a warning, you can't just kill people and claim their insurance money on them, right?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

And then as Siddharth Kara writes in the Zorg, even if just for a moment, the Africans who lay at the bottom of the ocean thousands away were seen as people, not property.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

And Kara's arguing that this causes kind of a perceptual shift in a lot of people who can't help, as they're hearing how horrible what this is, sympathize with these people who are still legally just property, and that that's an important shift.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

But the larger victory in the case was that it had started the process of gathering together and galvanizing great legal minds, writers, and agitators towards pursuing an end to the slave trade in an organized fashion.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

And that's what we're going to talk about in Part 3.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

But I should conclude today by saying a little about our main villains for these episodes, William Gregson and Robert Stubbs.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

During the first case, Stubbs had high hopes of getting a job with the syndicate and perhaps even support to regain his lost gold by helping Gregson make good on the slaves that they'd killed.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

When this failed, he gets cut loose.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

Now Stubbs never makes it back to Africa.