James Talarico

They don't get clicks when we're having a conversation, when we're understanding each other.

When we're coming to some kind of mutual agreement, that doesn't get anybody any profit.

And so these – the Rupert Murdochs of the world, the cable news networks, the social media platforms, the Zuckerbergs and Musks, I mean these platforms are literally tearing us apart by design.

And I just – I think there has to be something better than that.

That's if we're measuring engagement as the sole good.

But it doesn't have to be that way.

Well, I just think we all and I know I have this experience of just feeling terrible.

when I'm on a lot of these platforms, right?

I mean, it does feel like everything is making us feel terrible, whether it's the news we're watching, the TV, the social media algorithms.

But I think this podcast is evidence in the opposite direction.

Because why would people tune into these really long conversations with very different people?

I mean, you had Trump and Bernie Sanders in the same chair, right?

So why are people attracted to that, though?

Because this is not clickbait stuff on your feed that's just trying to provoke conflict for clicks.

So clearly this format exposes that people do have a hunger for something healthier, something that builds understanding, right?

Yeah.

People have both of those things inside them, I guess.

But it's also long form.

The social media platforms just abuse your attention so much.

Yes.